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1 minute ago, RUSF18 said:

So you didn't order food or eat in restaurants before all of this?

I did but I may not for while. 

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8 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

Thats not really addressing the issue. This is like the fact checking about bleach killing the virus and telling you not to drink bleach.

If food packaging is perfectly safe, which he doesnt say, then all surfaces are perfectly safe. 

So yes the slice of pizza is fine. But the pizza doesnt teleport into your mouth.

The author did actually address food packaging.

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 no organization has reported that COVID-19 can be transmitted by food or food packaging. The biggest risk of transmission, Williams says, is in exposure to individuals who are symptomatic.

“There is no evidence out there, so far with [COVID-19], that it’s foodborne-driven or food service-driven,” Williams said in an information webinar. “This really is respiratory, person-to-person. At this point, there is no evidence really pointing us toward food [or] food service as ways that are driving the epidemic.”

Food packaging also poses little risk; Dionne-Odom says she encourages people to continue shopping for needed items, including food, via delivery services. Just remember to wash your hands frequently, she cautions. 

Get the latest COVID-19 information at uab.edu/coronavirus.

“Packages will be coming from a number of hands, and you might not know the symptom status of everyone who touched it along the way,” Dionne-Odom said. “Wash your hands after opening and handling the package. That will kill the germs.”

 

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38 minutes ago, CurlyNight said:

One guy's plight with cv. Comments are others who had it sharing. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShirazMaher/status/1243554346396246018

I don’t think I had It, but man some of my symptoms in late January were really close. I had a mild fever to start and just felt bad almost more like a cold but the coughing was bad at time (definitely milder than him). The main thing that got me was that my coughs did nothing and sometimes felt like a cough attack. It all just sat in my chest. I finally went to an urgent care and my BP was high (enough that they started me on medicine) and they gave me an inhaler and I took Mucinex. That stuff really helped clear out the lungs but it really was difficult and in a much different way from getting the flu a couple years ago. Never had a tough time breathing and getting that nasty stuff out.

Again, I doubt I had it that early but I was flying around the country every week from Thanksgiving through the third week of January. I’m pretty good at not spreading colds around the family and work from home so not a bad carrier. Anyway, the coughing and having to use Mucinex was definitely not an ordinary sickness for me. They told me it was an upper respiratory infection, which it probably was, but it did start with a fever too.

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1 minute ago, stbugs said:

I don’t think I had It, but man some of my symptoms in late January were really close. I had a mild fever to start and just felt bad almost more like a cold but the coughing was bad at time (definitely milder than him). The main thing that got me was that my coughs did nothing and sometimes felt like a cough attack. It all just sat in my chest. I finally went to an urgent care and my BP was high (enough that they started me on medicine) and they gave me an inhaler and I took Mucinex. That stuff really helped clear out the lungs but it really was difficult and in a much different way from getting the flu a couple years ago. Never had a tough time breathing and getting that nasty stuff out.

Again, I doubt I had it that early but I was flying around the country every week from Thanksgiving through the third week of January. I’m pretty good at not spreading colds around the family and work from home so not a bad carrier. Anyway, the coughing and having to use Mucinex was definitely not an ordinary sickness for me. They told me it was an upper respiratory infection, which it probably was, but it did start with a fever too.

Mucinex is the bomb. Works fast too. 

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18 hours ago, Ministry of Pain said:

YOU STOP!!!

I responded to Cap who ripped the Florida Governor along with several others and you didn't have any problem with any of them taking their shots at the Florida Governor but as soon as I simply defended the Florida Governor ONCE because I am a Floridian and have my own OPINION and you want to try and shut me up and shut down any opposition to anything you FEEL shouldn't be in this thread. I respect the rules of this board as much as anyone else and I have just as much right to my opinion as you do. 

Cheers

Everyone - please take any political talk to the political forum. Don't post it here. 

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10 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

0 chance for me.   I will take food home from here, because I know that corporate has made us do certain things and we are good about disinfecting protocols.  But I know that seemingly 1/2 of the staff still think this is silly, so there is no way I would trust them in a delivery scenario.   

Take out maybe if I knew the business well and thought they were taking extra precautions too.   There is a local pizza joint that I would trust for take out, but not delivery, and no way would I go through fast food drive through other than ours.  

thank you for the sobering counterpoint, lotta weight coming from someone in the biz. 

 

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11 hours ago, bagger said:

So it’s not all bad.

Please don't make jokes about the Knicks team owner getting the virus. 

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8 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

Packages will be coming from a number of hands, and you might not know the symptom status of everyone who touched it along the way,” Dionne-Odom said. “Wash your hands after opening and handling the package. That will kill the germs.”

I probably should read the whole thing next time, but she certainly hedges her statements. 

My point remains though, if food packaging is safe, all surfaces are safe, which we cant assume yet. 

Eta: also how does remove shoes make the cut in there?

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26 minutes ago, gianmarco said:

Here's just one example:

Your phone is one of the filthiest things you own. We touch it constantly, put it down, touch it again, etc.

Unless you wash your hands every time you touch your phone, they are just as dirty. So you can either wash your hands hundreds of times until they bleed or you can just stop touching your face (particularly your nose, mouth, and eyes). 

I wipe my phone each time I return from "the outside".  

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30 minutes ago, gianmarco said:

Here's just one example:

Your phone is one of the filthiest things you own. 

 

I was told that Incognito Mode would protect me. 

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39 minutes ago, Nathan R. Jessep said:

A nurse friend shared this with me, and I'm sure it's been posted in here at some point. Nice and clean, and you can select each state and see it's projected peak. 

Before I share it (on social), does this look to be accurate (or close) to our resident experts?

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections?fbclid=IwAR3Uy3tZ1XNbdDbR-KsAhmHLc2g-xphx68sJaRgJouNNy7j5G5wrbEfrXi8

That May 3rd date for Florida seems really late. I'm expecting the numbers to explode this week due to the delay with last week's test results.

Not doubting things could get bad here but i would've expected to top out a couple weeks sooner.

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54 minutes ago, gianmarco said:

You can't keep your hands clean enough without washing them a hundred times per day

Well ...

I'm for sure north of 50 if you count hand-sanitizer uses. Actual soap-&-water washings is ~30x/day. I'm also using the aloe vera gel I bought to make homebrew sanitizer on my hands by itself to ward off rashes/cracking skin.

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1 hour ago, beer 30 said:

Alright, help me out here. How the #### do I break the habit of touching my face? There's got to be some method that's helpful aside from wearing a mask 24/7 (which I am close to doing). I quit smoking 20 years ago, I feel like I can overcome this but it feels like I'm trying to climb Everest. Every time I turn around I'm leaning on my hand or scratching my nose or rubbing my eye. Everything you shouldn't be doing now, I've done in triplicate this weekend (aside from licking handrails, I have standards).

Shove them down your pants.

23 minutes ago, gianmarco said:

Honestly, we should probably be washing our hands before we scratch our balls than vice versa as our hands are much dirtier. 

But yes, you're fine.  "Scratch" away.

I assume that if you're giving medical advice that you specialize in this area.

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10 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I don’t think I had It, but man some of my symptoms in late January were really close. I had a mild fever to start and just felt bad almost more like a cold but the coughing was bad at time (definitely milder than him). The main thing that got me was that my coughs did nothing and sometimes felt like a cough attack. It all just sat in my chest. I finally went to an urgent care and my BP was high (enough that they started me on medicine) and they gave me an inhaler and I took Mucinex. That stuff really helped clear out the lungs but it really was difficult and in a much different way from getting the flu a couple years ago. Never had a tough time breathing and getting that nasty stuff out.

Again, I doubt I had it that early but I was flying around the country every week from Thanksgiving through the third week of January. I’m pretty good at not spreading colds around the family and work from home so not a bad carrier. Anyway, the coughing and having to use Mucinex was definitely not an ordinary sickness for me. They told me it was an upper respiratory infection, which it probably was, but it did start with a fever too.

I just went through this timeline with my daughter yesterday but I don't think it marries up. I was fine going into Christmas break but on Christmas day I woke up feeling like I was coming down with something and by the end of the day was out. Body ache, severe fatigue, no appetite, runny nose and coughing. Stayed that way for 4 days, trying to fight it with Dayquil. Finally broke down and went to urgent care on the 5th day, got tested for flu (negative) and was diagnosed with bronchitis. My wife gets bronchitis almost every year so I'm familiar with it and it sure didn't feel like that but a Zpack knocked it out in a couple of days.

My daughter had just come back from NY on the 23rd and we saw her then, she was also fighting a cold at that point. Was trying to convince myself I've already had this thing but I don't think the timeline marries up at all.

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16 minutes ago, otb_lifer said:

thank you for the sobering counterpoint, lotta weight coming from someone in the biz. 

 

You make it so prestigious.  :wub:

Just being honest - in normal circumstances we have a battle with some of the staff about hygiene, washing clothes, etc..  Hell, I had to ask a fellow manager the other day to put on gloves at the drive thru and they seemed annoyed by it.    What would the car situation be like for these people who are bringing the delivery to you?  Who was in their car the last couple days?  Hard pass on that.   

Like I said, if there is a local take out place that you trust and it looks like they are being vigilant with gloves, have signs posted, etc..  a lot less risk there.   

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44 minutes ago, cosjobs said:

I think fried chicken is the safest. Dunked in boiling oil for 20 minutes, then transferred to your box using tongs. 

 

30 minutes ago, shader said:

Mmm thanks for the lunch recommendation 

I’d actually survived the first 3 weeks of our shelter-in-place lifestyle without any fast food; doing so good making all our meals.  And then wifey on Saturday said “we haven’t had Popeye’s in a long time” and dang it if I didn’t lose the internal battle of resistance quickly.

So good, yet so destructive to our TP stock

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11 minutes ago, Doug B said:

Well ...

I'm for sure north of 50 if you count hand-sanitizer uses. Actual soap-&-water washings is ~30x/day. I'm also using the aloe vera gel I bought to make homebrew sanitizer on my hands by itself to ward off rashes/cracking skin.

Which is fine.  And it's a good habit.

But the reality is this:  There are SO many environmental things that are dirty/carry disease that we interact with every day.  Phones, keyboards, door handles, elevator buttons, pens/pencils.  It's impossible to eliminate pathogens from all of these different areas.  Yes, you can wipe your phone and keyboards and other things, but in the end, it's still going to be there.

For the same reason, your hands are constantly going to come into contact with many of these surfaces.  You can wash them repeatedly but the next time you touch one, you're right back where you were.

The main problem and how you eventually get sick is when you bring those pathogens in contact with a point of entry to your body.  Your eyes.  Your nose.  Your mouth. 

As great as wiping shopping cart handles and using Purell constantly is, if you were to never touch your face with your hands, you'd virtually eliminate the need to do any of those other things.  Since I know I can't fully eliminate what's in the environment and I'm unlikely to get my hands clean enough all the time, I've just eliminated touching my face with my hands.  If I have to touch my face (itch, eating, whatever), I wash my hands.  Or I use something else to touch my face (tissue, paper towel, sleeve, etc.).  So that cuts down the number of potential exposures significantly if I rarely touch my face.  Which cuts down the probability of me catching something significantly.

Even with all the handwashing, I would say 99% of you aren't washing your hands well enough EVERY TIME to get them fully clean.  Especially under your nails which technically should be cleaned each time as well.  But you could dip your hands into a petri dish of stuff and as long as you didn't bring it into contact with your face, you're very unlikely to get sick.

Just think of your hands as absolutely filthy all the time and avoid doing that and you'll keep yourself pretty healthy overall. 

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9 minutes ago, Doug B said:

Well ...

I'm for sure north of 50 if you count hand-sanitizer uses. Actual soap-&-water washings is ~30x/day. I'm also using the aloe vera gel I bought to make homebrew sanitizer on my hands by itself to ward off rashes/cracking skin.

Are you still having to leave for work? 

 

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Heading to the doctor today at 11a.  I am a chronic ear infection person due a crustacean tube issue.  Friday, I started to feel flushed and ear hurty, with a scratchy throat.  I am quite sure I don't have the plague, but likely need an augmentin or zythromicin round.  1% nervous, but I know I've had this before. 

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I would like to see the government offer some incentive to social distancing. Say $1000.00 to everyone who does not catch Covid 19 by June 1.

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3 minutes ago, prosopis said:

I would like to see the government offer some incentive to social distancing. Say $1000.00 to everyone who does not catch Covid 19 by June 1.

Fines and Misdemeanors IMO.  Make the dumb pay their fair share. 

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3 minutes ago, prosopis said:

I would like to see the government offer some incentive to social distancing. Say $1000.00 to everyone who does not catch Covid 19 by June 1.

Its a way to keep people away from hospitals for non-emergencies.  

More with the virus may die, but it would lower the spread.  

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4 minutes ago, prosopis said:

I would like to see the government offer some incentive to social distancing. Say $1000.00 to everyone who does not catch Covid 19 by June 1.

 

Just now, Chemical X said:

Fines and Misdemeanors IMO.  Make the dumb pay their fair share. 

the unintended consequence is people getting sick and hiding it - i.e. undiagnosed = no doctors note = keep going to work.

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12 hours ago, facook said:
13 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Here's an idea for a drinking game.

Every time you hear "uncertain times", take a swig.

Add in "tough" "troubling" or "trying" times and you'll die of alcohol poisoning.

I do voiceovers and every other audition now contains similar terms. Of course, accompanied by "we'll get through this" "america will come back" etc.

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1 hour ago, gianmarco said:

Here's just one example:

Your phone is one of the filthiest things you own. We touch it constantly, put it down, touch it again, etc.

Alcohol-wipe that baby 4-5 times daily 😄  Still probably "not enough", but much better than before.

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19 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:
33 minutes ago, Doug B said:

Well ...

I'm for sure north of 50 if you count hand-sanitizer uses. Actual soap-&-water washings is ~30x/day. I'm also using the aloe vera gel I bought to make homebrew sanitizer on my hands by itself to ward off rashes/cracking skin.

Are you still having to leave for work? 

Nope. Not since Friday the 20th. I was washing/sanitizing about as often at work, though (desk jockey).

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2 minutes ago, Doug B said:

Nope. Not since Friday the 20th. I was washing/sanitizing about as often at work, though (desk jockey).

I am a hand sanitizing freak normally, but definitely dont have extra focus inside my house now that pretty much nobody is coming and going.

 

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4 minutes ago, Capella said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak%3f_amp=true
 

so are walks even safe? This is insane. I mean if somebody you don’t even see coughs and you walk through it 5 minutes later you could catch? I feel like I’m going crazy. 

Can you post a couple clips?  I've heard walking/biking outside is safe if you keep your distance, so if that's not right I'd like the details.

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32 minutes ago, That one guy said:

I’d actually survived the first 3 weeks of our shelter-in-place lifestyle without any fast food; doing so good making all our meals.  And then wifey on Saturday said “we haven’t had Popeye’s in a long time” and dang it if I didn’t lose the internal battle of resistance quickly.

So good, yet so destructive to our TP stock

Same with us, I was a pretty regular Wendy's stop during the week. Haven't had it in 2 weeks now and I'm jonesing hard for a double. College kid went to Taco Bell yesterday. 

2 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

I am a hand sanitizing freak normally, but definitely dont have extra focus inside my house now that pretty much nobody is coming and going.

Same, haven't left the house in a week. Still wash up quite a bit but when this dies down will need to step up my game.

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1 hour ago, parasaurolophus said:

If food packaging is perfectly safe, which he doesnt say, then all surfaces are perfectly safe. 

So yes the slice of pizza is fine. But the pizza doesnt teleport into your mouth.

Was food packaging (both take-out and groceries) EVER much of a virus vector?

I mean, I know it's certainly possible in theory, and CAN happen ... but I feel like the threat from mail, food, groceries, etc. is somewhat overblown. Not in a "just the flu, bro!" way ... just that something seems to be lacking with food packaging as a successful virus vector for any illness - past or present.

I recognize that unwashed produce can be a vector for illness. And I know about, for example, the various issues Blue Bell ice cream plants have had with listeria. But those aren't actually problems with food packaging per se spreading virus.

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7 minutes ago, Capella said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak%3f_amp=true
 

 

so are walks even safe? This is insane. I mean if somebody you don’t even see coughs and you walk through it 5 minutes later you could catch? I feel like I’m going crazy. 

60 people being inside a room (even a large one) singing and projecting seems way more problematic than walking through an outdoors area that an infected person may have coughed in 5 minutes earlier.  

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7 minutes ago, Capella said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak%3f_amp=true
 

 

so are walks even safe? This is insane. I mean if somebody you don’t even see coughs and you walk through it 5 minutes later you could catch? I feel like I’m going crazy. 

That seems like exactly the thing we are told to avoid right now. Close quarters with lots of people. Understood that it says that "no one was coughing or sneezing" but they were all in close proximity. But singing for an hour is literally projecting your droplets and particles into close quarters with people.

I don't think you have to worry about taking a walk. 

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10 minutes ago, Capella said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak%3f_amp=true
 

 

so are walks even safe? This is insane. I mean if somebody you don’t even see coughs and you walk through it 5 minutes later you could catch? I feel like I’m going crazy. 

The linked story and your question are 2 completely separate issues.  Yes, you can safely walk.

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I saw some study (but you guys know how studies are) that you're 18 times more likely to catch this virus indoors than outdoors.  I think walks are fine and we should all do them.  Just give people a wide berth and you should be ok.

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May be a dumb question.

But do you automatically get this if you encounter an infexcted person's saliva/spit/snot/etc.?

Like if I kiss my wife, and she has it, am I automatically doomed?

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11 minutes ago, Capella said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak%3f_amp=true
 

 

so are walks even safe? This is insane. I mean if somebody you don’t even see coughs and you walk through it 5 minutes later you could catch? I feel like I’m going crazy. 

Since they think this mainly spreads by droplets, walks are safe IF you are following the 6-foot (or more) rule. That allows time for the droplets to be pulled out of the air by gravity. Unlike aerosol transmission where they are suspended in the air for longer periods of time, more akin to something like fog. 

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1 hour ago, CurlyNight said:

I just hear people spitting or sneezing on it and it grosses me out.

Sometimes, people who work(ed) in food service like to get attention from "laymen" by saying "That happens ALL the time! Like 10 times per shift! And I worked in a restaurant -- I should KNOW !!!11!!ONE!!"

No it doesn't. That's BS. The number of times that happens, percentage-wise, is close to non-existent. And yeah -- I worked in restaurants for a long while, too ... so lets's play Dueling Anecdotes.

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Just now, the moops said:

May be a dumb question.

But do you automatically get this if you encounter an infexcted person's saliva/spit/snot/etc.?

Like if I kiss my wife, and she has it, am I automatically doomed?

Automatically?  No.

High probability?  Yeah, that kind of contact has a pretty high rate of transmission.

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1 hour ago, gianmarco said:

You're really unlikely to get it from food unless a fecal-oral method of transmission is established, which I don't think is the case.

 You're more likely to get it from the packaging by touching it with your hands and then touching your nose or your eyes. So just take your food out, wash your hands really well, and don't worry about it.

That is what we have been doing.  Wipe the boxes down, wash hands well, then go for it.  Picked up some steak on Saturday. :thumbup: 

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6 minutes ago, gianmarco said:

The linked story and your question are 2 completely separate issues.  Yes, you can safely walk.

This is the part I was referring to:

”Experts said the choir outbreak is consistent with a growing body of evidence that the virus can be transmitted through aerosols — particles smaller than 5 micrometers that can float in the air for minutes or longer.”

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16 minutes ago, Capella said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak%3f_amp=true
 

 

so are walks even safe? This is insane. I mean if somebody you don’t even see coughs and you walk through it 5 minutes later you could catch? I feel like I’m going crazy. 

Unfortunately this is a case of doing exactly the opposite of the guidelines and even basic common sense. A gathering of nearly 100 people in a church singing together. Walking outside is not even in the same ballpark as what happened here, sadly.

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Just now, Grace Under Pressure said:

Unfortunately this is a case of doing exactly the opposite of the guidelines and even basic common sense. A gathering of nearly 100 people in a church singing together. Walking outside is not even in the same ballpark as what happened here, sadly.

I know. It was the part in the article where it lingers in the air I was focused on. Should have been more clear. 

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1 minute ago, Capella said:

This is the part I was referring to:

”Experts said the choir outbreak is consistent with a growing body of evidence that the virus can be transmitted through aerosols — particles smaller than 5 micrometers that can float in the air for minutes or longer.”

I'm not a scientist so this is mainly just me talking out of my ###, but let's say for the sake of argument that this virus actually is spread by aerosols.  Is spreading covid this way even possible outdoors?  It seems like even a light breeze would be way more than enough to dissipate things.

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8 minutes ago, Capella said:

This is the part I was referring to:

”Experts said the choir outbreak is consistent with a growing body of evidence that the virus can be transmitted through aerosols — particles smaller than 5 micrometers that can float in the air for minutes or longer.”

I understand.  But they are in a confined space partaking in an activity that is going to spread those particles pretty easily.  Outside, going for a walk, you're not going to be in continued close proximity to someone that is actively sending these particles in the air unless you are running behind someone that keeps coughing and spitting into the air, for example. 

Are the chances 0% by walking outside?  I couldn't say that with 100% certainty, but I can tell you it's incredibly, highly unlikely to happen.  Sitting in a room during a choir practice, even 6 ft apart?  Yeah, no chance I'd be involved in that at all.

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6 minutes ago, the moops said:

May be a dumb question.

But do you automatically get this if you encounter an infexcted person's saliva/spit/snot/etc.?

Like if I kiss my wife, and she has it, am I automatically doomed?

If the stuff about it not being transmitted through eating is accurate, then the issue should be more you inhaling her breath than transfer through saliva.  That said, I have no idea.

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1 hour ago, parasaurolophus said:

What if i scratch my balls a lot and never touch my face? I am safe right? 

Probably going to get ball cancer.....like Marshall Faulk. 

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