Doug B
Footballguy
I think I was tripped up by "... herd immunity due to antibody testing". If I change "due to" to "revealed by", I think I catch your meaning.
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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (9 Viewers)
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Footballguy
Morton Muffley
Footballguy
Not sure I understand your point. Am a big fan of Gates. Are you telling me you think Bill Gates has run his own antibody study and is keeping it to himself?
The Commish
Footballguy
I'd buy it....to the point that, when I'm in the store, I don't go down an isle with others in it. I wait for it to clear. If it's taking forever, then I'll go down an isle if there's another person there. Once I am done with the shopping, I go to my truck, open the door, load the groceries, sanitize my hands. Come home unload the groceries in the garage and throw the bags away...sanitize my hands, then go about putting it all away. That STILL leaves me open to touching a product that someone with the virus has touched in the store. This is why I'm one of those crazy people who dig to the back of the products to get ones at the back and even that STILL leaves me open to a stocker that might have the virus. It really is best to just stay home. I bought enough food for two weeks this time around instead of just one week. The less I am in the store the better.
Best of luck to you and Mrs. The Commish.
I have a future brother in law in NJ that is waiting on test results too. I think he was tested on Tuesday. Stinks that the results aren't available within a few hours.
moleculo
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
It's a trainwreck watching reality clash with "alternate facts" all day, every day. I can't take my eyes off it or help myself from participating. I have issues
Keerock
Footballguy
FWIW... Wife and I just "go out for a drive" every other day or so. That and long, daily walks are our way to get away. We don't stop and go in anywhere... just drive around for a bit.
squistion
Footballguy
I have yet to see anyone in the PSF troll someone who said that they or a family member may have or does have the virus. People have been very supportive and I don't recall any comments that have not been respectful.
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I've resigned myself to accept the psf in it's current state is useless. From all sides. Everyone thinks if only "the other" side would be better it would change but it's all sides. The snark is out of control and it's just bickering and keyboard warriors and playing "gotcha" over and over. I'm ashamed to have our name associated with it but don't have the time or energy to deal with it. And please let this be a one comment thing and not derail this thread. I'm just sad about how all sides have ruined the psf.It's a trainwreck watching reality clash with "alternate facts" all day, every day. I can't take my eyes off it or help myself from participating. I have issues
The Commish
Footballguy
everyone.....reality is, this "change" for most people hasn't been a change for me all that much. I work from home and am generally ok with being with just the family. Those that know me socially on the board might be shocked to know I don't like people in general 
So this has been sort of a vacation for me. Normally, I am running around like a crazy person between my son's baseball team (coach) and my daughter's cheer team and competitions. This is like summer break for me, and it's not been all that bad having them here with me in the house during the day. We DEFINITELY are better off financially. I've never had this sort of excess in our bank account one month to the next 
So it wasn't all that bad until my wife started feeling bad. I still don't think it's the virus, but won't be sure until we get the results and she'll probably be better by the time they come in. Last night was the first night in 4 days she slept through without having a coughing attack.
the moops
Footballguy
Meh. The whole forum is super annoying and not all that helpful. I will leave it at that so as to not pollute this thread
sho nuff
Footballguy
That darn metric system....I do enough math trying to school my kids.
Thanks...interesting article.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Agree...we have got to using the Kroger pick up stuff (thankfully they have waived the fees). Yes...the products may have ben touches by more than just the kid picking out my items. But at the request of my wife...I actually wipe off the products as we take them out of the bags. As much as you can. And always wash before and after getting anything out of a bag or box. For instance...the kids now will grab a can of pringles and actually pour some into a bowl at home. Put the can away...wash their hands...then eat. That type of thing. Its not perfect...but I avoid going in as much as possible. Of course...with the pickup stuff you have to predict almost a week in advance what you need. I have had to run in for a few things that I did not anticipate. Like you...its sanitize as much as possible. To the point I have sanitizer with me in the store and after I touched everything...and put it there to be checked out. I sanitied again before reaching for my wallet to pay. Then again after touching the screen (if the clerk did not wipe it right before I got there). Then again after I load into the car.
rockaction
Footballguy
Simply want to wish you the best, GB. You're one of the good ones and have always given me a wide berth, which I appreciate. I hope Mrs. Commish beats whatever it is quickly and decisively.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
It is a cesspool-glad it exists to keep all that nonsense from creeping over here to the FFA.It's a trainwreck watching reality clash with "alternate facts" all day, every day. I can't take my eyes off it or help myself from participating. I have issues
Sorry to hear about your wife--I think what you are encountering is what a lot of State's unofficial policies are--they are prioritizing tests for a certain cross-section and the rest are being thrown into the general queue and will be tested in time. I am scared to death of getting this--I know what it will mean to me, but for someone in your shoes, other than some distancing, what will the test results change in how she/you are treating her. Assume she has it--treat the symptoms and like the vast majority of Americans, she will be fine. If she has trouble breathing, then you escalate it to the ER, but understand you are doing everything right for your family.
I have to say it is stories like this that scare me even more--my wife and I are doing all we can to avoid this and you hear about how infectious this virus is to people who are making concerted avoidance efforts, it is terrifying. GL man!!
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
Thanks for that summary. Some of that I had read in this piece: https://thedispatch.com/p/timeline-the-regulationsand-regulatorsthat?fbclid=IwAR3SS3uPCla_6-FvzH3DPoqBS6Oxqes4XNXFajlrNf5gpn8mNEDfb7AY2jA from a few weeks ago, which may have drawn from some of the same sources.
as GB Kee said above, I've taken my kids on a "Sunday drive" a few times just to get out of our home and neighborhood for a bit. A couple of times to a remote private pond about 45 minutes away where we didn't stop anywhere else or contact anyone else. Point being, there could be a lot of people just out riding around to get out of the house. Especially now with more parks, etc. closing down (as they should). And gas is cheap right now so makes it even more enticing.
shader
Footballguy
Whoa that's a substantial drop. Worldometers is probably waiting for the full state numbers if what you posted is just NYC>
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bostonfred
Footballguy
Good luck gb hope she's ok.
For the little one maybe try some things to make distancing seem as normal as possible.
Try Saran Wrapping her into a room and letting them talk through the clear plastic.
Use a phone or iPad to talk to mom in the other room. Do the same with each other.
If mom's feeling up to it, have her play hide and seek from another room on facetime or zoom or something. Like where's Waldo but where's mommy. Then do the same thing but you hide and then the kid hides.
Play a game where you each go to your own area and when you go near the 3 year old, make exaggerated moves to avoid contact.
Have mom read stories from a distance. You read stories from a distance. Then you can read stories together later.
I know it's tough but hopefully you get through this ok and find out she wasn't that sick. Good luck.
The Commish
Footballguy
Yeah....I'd feel like a complete dirt bag if we weren't doing all we could. It's quite unbelievable that we don't have the infrastructure and process in place to deal with stuff like this as a country. Knowing that testing is probably THE MOST IMPORTANT aspect of this entire thing, it's mind boggling to see how difficult it is to get tested. Here in Florida they have three large testing sites (North, Central and South) and they have so few supplies, they are typically done with their allotment for the day by noon (at least here in Central Florida). I don't know how she found out about this one off site literally a mile from our house. There were three cars there when she got there and the test took a matter of seconds....incredibly painful seconds, but seconds nonetheless. It took 2.5 days to get the approval to do it though. It's maddening that we STILL have restrictions on who can get testing. I am of the opinion that we will NEVER know the full breadth of the crisis here and that hinders our ability to plan for the future. It should be required that people be tested during their annual check ups this year and next to understand better how many people actually had it.
Redwes25
Footballguy
Yup, also state numbers that Cuomo will announce will include NYC evening report from last night and today's morning report so they will be higher. I pull the data from the NYC posting system and comparing them against the last nights numbers.
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-archive.page
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The Commish
Footballguy
Good suggestions. Luckily, we have a good number of N95 masks (I do woodworking and carpentry as a hobby when I have time). I donated three of the packs that I had (15 masks) but kept the open one. She uses that and we use them any time we go in the room with her. He's generally ok until he isn't if that makes sense. His brother and sister do a good job with him for the most part but there are just those times where he wants his routine. I get it. I fill in, but it's not the same from his perspective. It's getting better as we go, but it still flares up from time to time.
To be honest, I have NO IDEA how anyone in NYC apartment can do the needful if a loved one has this. I don't think it's possible in those tiny apartments.
Morton Muffley
Footballguy
So lemme get this straight:
A doctor I have never heard of before, from Montana (the 47th hardest hit state), reached out to friends/family on facebook and couldn't find many Covid cases among this "convenience sample" and knowing that doctors are given complete autonomy to assign cause of death is estimating that this is a big hoax. Did I get that right? FWIW, I stopped watching after the 3 minute mark as I was fairly disgusted with the lack of rigor in the relevant 45 seconds I did hear. So, does it get better or will I only find more inanity as I listen longer?
beer 30
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Went out yesterday to pick up a ham for Easter. Most non-essential businesses are shuttered around here but every restaurant had a line around the drive thru and every grocery store had a pretty full parking lot. Noticed there was a lot of building going around here that hasn't slowed and traffic was lighter than normal but still a lot heavier than I would expect for a shelter at home state.
@The Commish sorry to hear about the wife. Hope she is doing better
Doug B
Footballguy
When I see the words "aerosol" or "aerosolized", I pretty much summarily reject an article's conclusions. The best they find in aerosols are burst-open viral chunks or loose pieces of viral RNA. I'm open to new evidence, but the bar is very high.
The Commish
Footballguy
Thanks GB...same to you. I remember a time when we weren't the exception. Maybe we can get back to that one day.
Mr Anonymous
Footballguy
I don't think I could say it much better, so on all counts - ditto.
For someone who admittedly doesn't "like people in general", Commish sure doesn't let it pollute the way he interacts with them. Best way I can articulate it is - though we don't always agree, I never cringe at a notification that @The Commish has replied to me. I know I'm getting a reasoned fair response. Glad to hear last night was better for Mrs. Commish. Hopefully it's the start of a full recovery.
Doug B
Footballguy
I've run several errands over the last few weeks -- grocery for food, dollar store for paper products, drugstore drive-thru for prescriptions, and the post office twice.
When I went to the grocery on March 14th, 21st, and 28th, it was noticeably slower than a typical Saturday afternoon. Didn't have to think much about active social distancing ... weren't enough people in the stores to worry about it but for a handful of times. When I went to the grocery on April 4th, however ... there were enough of an uptick people in the store that I had to be aware of my immediate surroundings at pretty much all times to maintain social distance. Still not hard to maintain, but I could tell that a lot of people were way less concerned than me.
Mask use has increased markedly over the past few weeks -- from maybe 1 in 10 people the weekend of 3/14-15 to more like 7 in 10 people this past weekend. I wonder if people are just starting to figure "Meh, I'll cover my face so I can go do all my running about like usual." In other words: are the hoi polloi treating "wear masks/face coverings" as a suggestion that replaces "maintain social distance"?
Sorry if honda.
Soccer news about Germany returning to playing soccer.
https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/germanys-bundesliga-preparing-for-early-may-return-after-coronavirus-shutdown/
Soccer news about Germany returning to playing soccer.
https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/germanys-bundesliga-preparing-for-early-may-return-after-coronavirus-shutdown/
joffer
Footballguy
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Pa schools closed for rest of academic yr per Gov Wolf
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
The data out of NY is a bit better. If anything that should encourage people to double down on this until May 31st. That's when the IHME model has deaths really flattening. I'm concerned that people will misunderstand what is happening and become more lax. It's actually the opposite. Go hardcore until May 31st, that's 52 days from now. Then start slowly reverse-opening up what was closed last. But we really need the rapid tests, the antibody tests, the plasma based treatments, the other treatments and finally the vaccine to ever get "back to normal". A real plan needs to be devised. Can't just get "back to normal" without one.
ChiefD
Footballguy
Yeah, agree.
My brother works for a company that distributes medical supplies to hospitals and doctors offices. I talked to him about masks back when this Covid first started appearing.
He basically said it will be worse for people wearing masks because they aren't used to wearing them. They will be adjusting them constantly, which results in their hands and fingers to the face and eyes more and more.
Now, over time as more people wear them, those incidents would go down of course.
squistion
Footballguy
The games may return, but will they be played in empty stadiums? Unless I missed it the article didn't mention the presence of spectators.
Here's hoping!
I read a lot of positive comments about the CERB application process and how easy they made it for everyone. 3 questions, or something and then a confirmation you'll have money in 3 days. Nice job by all involved if this is the case. it's on the honor system too. How Canadian is that!
Redwes25
Footballguy
Doubt it, NY has more cases then Italy/Spain. I would not be surprised in NY state hit 1000 deaths in a day.worldometer just posted 799 NY deaths
hope that's a mistake
NotSmart
Footballguy
Uncle Ruslan
Footballguy
She is a verified doctor with over 30 years of experience in filling out death certificates. Throughout the video she goes into detail about the process doctors take in filling out death certificates, and how that is being impacted by the CDC guidelines related to Covid-19. Sorry you didn't find the brief portion you listened to helpful, but I appreciate you giving it a cursory listen.
She isn't a celebrity doctor like Brix or Fauci, so I would understand if you hadn't heard of her previously.
Uncle Ruslan
Footballguy
Morton Muffley
Footballguy
Am just calling it like I see it. I appreciated and thanked you for posting the earlier article refuting the ABC News (?) reporting that this virus began in November. I realize she is a doctor and I realize doctors have wide latitude in assigning cause of death, but it is a VERY long leap from there to: all these doctors are wrongly attributing this to Covid because 1) they can and 2) I can't find any facebook friends in Montana who know someone impacted.
Hope you see WHY I felt the need to respond as I did. We ALL have to be skeptical of things that challenge our pre-conceived notions and more open to things that challenge them. That's why I was open to watching a few minutes
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msommer
Footballguy
Traffic might be an indicator that something is off, but it might not be the best indicator. If a guy is taking a ride alone in his car, chances of being exposed, or exposing others is very limited. If he on the other hands drives to a destination, does something, and then goes home, the the equation changes. It may still not be super bad, if there is plenty of distance to other people. Going stir crazy is a real possibility and a drive may alleviate that somewhat.
Doug B
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
FWIW I remember reading the other day that CDC is unaware of anyone being infected by touching a contaminated surface.
msommer
Footballguy
