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Man you had me right up to the bolded. Nothing that I've seen in the short 55 years I've lived on this planet has convinced me that we, as Americans, as we are currently constituted, have the ability to be patient for the length of time this will require. Some will, most won't. It's already happening and we are starting week 3 :(
Eh, not my board of course, but a somewhat reasonable answer to a reasonable question is fine if it is left at that. Now, if people start arguing with him or he keeps arguing that opinion and it becomes a political conversation in this thread, that's the issue. But I didn't know that those two states had Republican governors. His last sentence is mostly political opinion but not the worst "violation" we've had in this thread.
Well this will get one of two responses...
1. Don't
2. Try being helpful if you come back.
Given history and the lean of the subject, my money is on the first.
I believe you are looking for Greg or Chad here but I think it's still open for debate.So many Karens out there. And whatever the male Karen is called. I simply questioned a Karen several weeks ago on something that was clearly conspiracy theory material, and she informed me that she had done her research about all this for a long time and referred me to a YouTube link that was like 3 hours long.She's part of the Q-Anon group or whatever they're called. No thanks, Karen. Anyway, that's when I went to my "don't try to reason, only reply with facts/links" strategy. It works well! Effectively shuts down most discussions.
Eh, there are lots of other "free" countries that won't last that much longer than America. Let's not pin everything on our culture like these other cultures are THAT much better.
The Commish used Florida as an example of non-compliance. He's probably not wrong but pretending that Florida is the problem is not correct, IMO. Human nature is the problem.
I would guess that we all touch the soles of our shoes far more often than we think. Putting them away. Getting them out of a gym bag. And I doubt many of us actually think it is all that gross
Chad is perfect. I'm going with that. (no offense to @Chadstroma @ChadBroChill17 or any of you other Chads)
There are examples all over the place. Getting upset because someone pointed out "your" state seems a bit thin skinned
I do.
I just recall the restrooms I walked in and out of recently (I mean, pre-shelter-at-home). That does the trick. I take mine off with my feet. 
Oh, I didn't realize the feds were responsible for hazard pay. On cursory searching it looks like it's solely up to your employer.
Could be either. Yeah, feds are considering it. Dems are all on board and Trump has made mention of it as well. Where you draw the line is the big question cause if it’s basically everyone still working, it’s going to get prohibitively expensive. If we’re talking employers, it’s a tougher call. Nurses union in Boston just negotiated a $10 an hour hazard pay bonus. Our hospital would probably laugh at us but we’re not unionized. Can’t blame them honestly, we’ve gone from doing 100 cases a day in the OR to 30-40 and from what I’ve heard we’re busier than most right now.
Yea I agree, didn't mean it that way, anyone that has tasted a little bit of freedom is gonna chaff against this stay at home indefinitely plan we are currently operating under. And I get that we don't really have a plan for this in place, at least yet. I find this troubling but I'll save that for the other forum. Until there is something that says "if we do this or achieve this goal, then this happens".
Couple weeks ago the wif mentioned that she saw something recommending taking off shoes before entering the house because of the virus. Just been kicking them off with my feet in the garage but yea, Putting on, taking off shoes, I touch them and don't really think about it.
Yeah, there seems to be a whole lot of blame and expectation placed on the federal government that is really not their role. Our current government is structured in such a way so that the states have quite a bit more power than most federal governments do around the world. We've gradually eroded that balance, but it's still there. Also the whole idea of individual freedom and personal responsibility are a linchpin of our society.
Understood for most of these, as its somewhat what we've been told for weeks. Where we disagree is on the solution. In a perfect world we would have all those things you say we need (widespread testing, contact tracing, stockpiling PPE, Ventilators, training). I think we can we can probably stockpile the supplies. However, how long do you think we need to be patient for widespread testing (for both active cases and immunity) and the infrastructure to contact trace effectively? I don't think we have that much time. If we skip robust testing and contact tracing, can we maintain regional hospital capacity while relaxing shut downs by continuing some level of social distancing and PPE use? Obviously your plan is much more fool proof, but is squarely on the very conservative side of the argument and will keep the country staled much longer.
Yeah, it’s weird to single out Florida when the state has held up better than many others. Or when the problem was non-Florida people flocking to Florida.
No worries. Florida is doing great. 3rd in tests administered, 8th in cases, 11th in deaths, etc.
Hope you don't leave the thread. I think your Florida updates are a real value added. I have lots of family down in Florida (mostly Orlando area) so like the Florida updates. I will say I worry about Florida given the age of so much of the population and a governor who hasn't seemed focused on it but the numbers have been surprisingly good.
Not really. Chad is already used for a certain type of person. Pretty much the opposite of a conspiracy theorist / conservative.
21st in tests per capita, 11th in active cases, 11th in deaths (22nd in deaths per capita)
I honestly don't do the gloves when I go out. I don't have multiple gloves I can just keep switching. I much prefer having a small container of hand sanitizer where I wash my hands whenever I think I need to. Tied that with a mask and I feel like I am in pretty good shape as I can wash my hands pretty constantly and much more then being able to change my gloves. I play this little game in my head where I pretend whatever I touch is raw chicken so mentally keep needing to clean hands as who wants something with raw chicken on it. Strange but it works for me.
We don't do gloves either. We keep hand sanitizer in the car and clorox wipes. When we get it in the car we sanitize our hands then wipe down anything we touched getting in the car with a clorox wipe.
Do this as well. I am nuts about the touch points in my car (door handles, steering wheel, etc.)
Well plus you dont have any of the fecal remnants in the house from the 600 new dogs in the neighborhood out for daily walks.
I only do the gloves when my hands need to heal a bit from my obsessive hand sanitizing.
That's a misleading stat, imo, when you consider the lower number of cases and deaths.
June 1 is still ridiculously over-optimistic IMO. At this point, I would be very happy with things starting to loosen up in late summer, and I'm not sure I even put the odds of that happening at 50-50.
I've almost completely avoided the PSF version of this thread but I'm
how this is a political thing - except for the fact that for some people everything is. It's wonderful knowing our 2-party system is so ####ed that a global pandemic has people taking sides.
I don't oppose opening stuff up if there is sufficient testing so we can tamp down local hotspots. Problem is we are nowhere near that but if we are I am not opposed to it all. It is something we need to do. I also think it is a good idea to open up certain areas that have not been hit hard first (if testing is available).
You can blame them, as I’m certain there’ve been days you worked above and beyond what was expected, with no consideration for extra pay. Moreover, most hospital nowadays run like assembly lines, with profit prioritized over optimal patient care.
You can pretty much ignore things like P/E as investors aren't looking for good investments like they do in normal circumstances.
Yes. I'd prefer we have the testing capacity to test our entire population basically every 2-3 weeks.
Prop bet for the first "and BABA BOOEY to y'all"Supreme Court will hear arguments remotely in May, for the first time ever. Live audio will be available to the general public.
https://www.scotusblog.com/2020/04/court-sets-cases-for-may-telephone-arguments-will-make-live-audio-available/
You're at proverbial ground zero (again). You see it up close and personal everyday. I live in Anytown USA population 20,000. We've had about 30 cases here I think? No deaths. On the weekends you'd think it was party at the local Lowes with all the people. Until it shows up in your backyard, people won't appreciate the gravity/severity of this thing.
Yep. The media wants so bad for spring breakers to be blamed for stuff. Just google "florida spring breakers coronavirus"
