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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (15 Viewers)

TN was on a 20-day streak of 350 cases a day.  The last week has seen a clear rise into the 450 range.

The downward trend in many areas has clearly halted. 
 

As a whole the USA was definitely heading down.  Not it appears it is slowly going up, just what you’d expect from a country that started giving up 2 weeks ago.

Id expect mid to late next week that we will start seeing protest impacts.  Today makes me sick to my stomach over what is around the corner.  
We went from 500s to 1000 this week now are approaching 1500. 

 
I was seeing videos of the protestors going around outside of different, packed breweries in South End last night. Most of my friends think there is nothing to worry about and HATE that so much is still closed :wall:  
Got any data on recent Mecklenburg cases?Got any data on recent Mecklenburg cases?

 
Thanks...cases seem to be rising somewhat in line with increased testing and hospitalizations relatively flat since May 26th. Hopefully that holds after protests.

It would be great if things leveled off during the summer but we definitely have to be concerned with next flu season. The accuracy with reporting and confusion between the flu and Covid is going to be a problem, imo.

 
My girlfriend was able to go back to work (childcare center) on the 1st. Yesterday, we got a notification that an employee tested positive and that the center will be shutting down indefinitely once again. Didn’t even make it a full week. ####ty situation, and I fear it’s a sign of what’s to come when we try to re-open schools in the fall.

 
My girlfriend was able to go back to work (childcare center) on the 1st. Yesterday, we got a notification that an employee tested positive and that the center will be shutting down indefinitely once again. Didn’t even make it a full week. ####ty situation, and I fear it’s a sign of what’s to come when we try to re-open schools in the fall.
This is literally what I cam here to post.  We just conducted a giant natural experiment on what happens when we let people do whatever they want again, only with masks and outdoors in nice summer weather.  The preliminary results look horrible.  I will not surprised if schools are shut down again in the fall if the next few weeks go south the way I fear they might.

 
Probably depends on the state....I'll be SHOCKED if our kids are NOT back in school, business as usual in the fall.  I'll eat my shoe if they shut down this state in any meaningful way.  That ship's sailed.  If they aren't batting an eye at 1500+ days now continuing to open, they aren't going to in the fall.

 
Frustrated to see so many (50% of more) not wearing a mask at grocery or other places where hundreds, even thousands, are mixing fairly closely each day.  Employees in such locations seem to be 100% when it comes to wearing a mask - sad to see about half just not giving a f### about the health of others.  

 
Florida is about to hit 1300 cases again today, but surprisingly, people are still doing okay with the social distancing and wearing masks. I was at the beach today(niece's birthday party), and everyone was staying apart, though masks weren't really a thing.

 
Florida is about to hit 1300 cases again today, but surprisingly, people are still doing okay with the social distancing and wearing masks. I was at the beach today(niece's birthday party), and everyone was staying apart, though masks weren't really a thing.
As much as I have been sticking up for Florida, my experience has been the opposite. Covid-19 is a thing of the past from what I’ve seen in the last 2-3 weeks down here. Hardly anyone with masks. Places opening back up. Nobody really talking about it anymore. 

 
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As much as I have been sticking up for Florida, my experience has been the opposite. Covid-19 is a thing of the past from what I’ve seen in the last 2-3 weeks down here. Hardly anyone with masks. Places opening back up. Nobody really talking about it anymore. 
I guess it depends on where you are. The Treasure Coast is still(mostly) following the guidelines, but it's definitely slacked off some.

 
My girlfriend was able to go back to work (childcare center) on the 1st. Yesterday, we got a notification that an employee tested positive and that the center will be shutting down indefinitely once again. Didn’t even make it a full week. ####ty situation, and I fear it’s a sign of what’s to come when we try to re-open schools in the fall.
Yea ours is opening soon.  But we aren’t sending the kid back for a bit.  Just too risky.  It sucks because it would be nice for him to have that social interaction with his peers but then again all it takes is one person ####### up and everyone gets it.  
 

 
From what I am seeing the majority of people think this is over or was never a thing to begin with.  If we spike again I think it will be hard to shut things down again because the majority will not comply.

 
TN was on a 20-day streak of 350 cases a day.  The last week has seen a clear rise into the 450 range.

The downward trend in many areas has clearly halted. 
 

As a whole the USA was definitely heading down.  Not it appears it is slowly going up, just what you’d expect from a country that started giving up 2 weeks ago.

Id expect mid to late next week that we will start seeing protest impacts.  Today makes me sick to my stomach over what is around the corner.  
Do you live your life in a doom and gloom scenario every day?

 
I guess it depends on where you are. The Treasure Coast is still(mostly) following the guidelines, but it's definitely slacked off some.
Consider yourself lucky...up here on space coast, the markers are on the floors...that's about it....and we've never really ever flattened or decreased...upward trajectory this whole time.  This state won't shut down again, no matter how bad it gets.  Current actions are making all the previous ones pointless.  Bizarre to watch :shrug:  

 
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I think I’ve been in this thread once or twice today. Do you live your life with your head in the sand?
No, I really don't. I'm a pretty educated dude who likes to drink a cold beer and take a positive spin on life. If I dwell on the negative all the time I raise kids who grow up in a household of negativity. And who really wants that?

I like to think that if I do the right things and raise my kids to do the right things everything will turn out alright. And if the Good Lord takes me because I took my kids fishing during a Covid-19 outbreak and I happened to grab a hand rail on the dock and that's what took me, then so be it.

I'm cool with that. :banned:

 
Frustrated to see so many (50% of more) not wearing a mask at grocery or other places where hundreds, even thousands, are mixing fairly closely each day.  Employees in such locations seem to be 100% when it comes to wearing a mask - sad to see about half just not giving a f### about the health of others.  
Don't watch the videos from the casinos opening in Vegas then 

 
No, I really don't. I'm a pretty educated dude who likes to drink a cold beer and take a positive spin on life. If I dwell on the negative all the time I raise kids who grow up in a household of negativity. And who really wants that?

I like to think that if I do the right things and raise my kids to do the right things everything will turn out alright. And if the Good Lord takes me because I took my kids fishing during a Covid-19 outbreak and I happened to grab a hand rail on the dock and that's what took me, then so be it.

I'm cool with that. :banned:
While I'm definitely more cautious than you the sentimate is similar. I've never been overly concerned with getting the virus considering I'm relatively healthy, I have followed precautions so as not to overwhelm the medical system. I'll still take precautions, especially where requested, but I'm willing to see what happens for now. With so many gatherings over the past month, we haven't seen major spikes.

Take it one week at a time.

 
While I'm definitely more cautious than you the sentimate is similar. I've never been overly concerned with getting the virus considering I'm relatively healthy, I have followed precautions so as not to overwhelm the medical system. I'll still take precautions, especially where requested, but I'm willing to see what happens for now. With so many gatherings over the past month, we haven't seen major spikes.

Take it one week at a time.
Part of the reason this virus is so pernicious is that people without symptoms or much risk themselves can spread it to those that are vulnerable so easy. Precautions like masks when in public are important now.

We're seeing spikes in several states per NYT. Big declines in the greater NYC area is masking other places IMO.

 
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Why is everyone still so fixated on cases per day numbers...unless testing is steady each day they are irrelevant.  The whole point of lockdowns was to flatten the curve so hospitals don't get overrun.  The only stats that matter are hospitalizations and deaths per day.  The more healthy folks that are getting it the better...as long as the hospitalizations/death curves don't spike.

And the riots  have made this all irrelevant.  I saw in California, the new guidelines allowed no more the groups of 12 for social gatherings...and right below that was protests were allowed if it was 100 people or less!  So basically, if you call your birthday party a protest, you are allowed 100 people!  Some of these states are ridiculous!

 
Why is everyone still so fixated on cases per day numbers...unless testing is steady each day they are irrelevant.  The whole point of lockdowns was to flatten the curve so hospitals don't get overrun.  The only stats that matter are hospitalizations and deaths per day.  The more healthy folks that are getting it the better...as long as the hospitalizations/death curves don't spike.
Preach!

 
Why is everyone still so fixated on cases per day numbers...unless testing is steady each day they are irrelevant.  The whole point of lockdowns was to flatten the curve so hospitals don't get overrun.  The only stats that matter are hospitalizations and deaths per day.  The more healthy folks that are getting it the better...as long as the hospitalizations/death curves don't spike.

And the riots  have made this all irrelevant.  I saw in California, the new guidelines allowed no more the groups of 12 for social gatherings...and right below that was protests were allowed if it was 100 people or less!  So basically, if you call your birthday party a protest, you are allowed 100 people!  Some of these states are ridiculous!
The riots or protests?  I think the riots don't have a large impact, the protests might.

 
Why is everyone still so fixated on cases per day numbers...unless testing is steady each day they are irrelevant.  The whole point of lockdowns was to flatten the curve so hospitals don't get overrun.  The only stats that matter are hospitalizations and deaths per day.  The more healthy folks that are getting it the better...as long as the hospitalizations/death curves don't spike.

And the riots  have made this all irrelevant.  I saw in California, the new guidelines allowed no more the groups of 12 for social gatherings...and right below that was protests were allowed if it was 100 people or less!  So basically, if you call your birthday party a protest, you are allowed 100 people!  Some of these states are ridiculous!
Excellent post

 
TN was on a 20-day streak of 350 cases a day.  The last week has seen a clear rise into the 450 range.

The downward trend in many areas has clearly halted. 
 

As a whole the USA was definitely heading down.  Not it appears it is slowly going up, just what you’d expect from a country that started giving up 2 weeks ago.

Id expect mid to late next week that we will start seeing protest impacts.  Today makes me sick to my stomach over what is around the corner.  
Even you can't possibly place any merit in these numbers anymore... right?

At least use the numbers we can rely on as at least somewhat uniform/consistent/apples to apples.

 
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Why is everyone still so fixated on cases per day numbers...unless testing is steady each day they are irrelevant.  The whole point of lockdowns was to flatten the curve so hospitals don't get overrun.  The only stats that matter are hospitalizations and deaths per day.  The more healthy folks that are getting it the better...as long as the hospitalizations/death curves don't spike.

And the riots  have made this all irrelevant.  I saw in California, the new guidelines allowed no more the groups of 12 for social gatherings...and right below that was protests were allowed if it was 100 people or less!  So basically, if you call your birthday party a protest, you are allowed 100 people!  Some of these states are ridiculous!
:goodposting:

People still referring to "number of cases" as an argument can only be intentionally obtuse at this point.  

 
The riots or protests?  I think the riots don't have a large impact, the protests might.
Yeah you are right, probably more the protests...I guess my point bringing them both up is that there is no outrage about social distancing and masks during them all...those things are only preached when it fits the narrative.  So now when you tell me I can't have more the 10 people at my house because of COVID, your argument doesn't matter...you were OK with gatherings of 100s to 1000s.

 
And the riots  have made this all irrelevant.  I saw in California, the new guidelines allowed no more the groups of 12 for social gatherings...and right below that was protests were allowed if it was 100 people or less!  So basically, if you call your birthday party a protest, you are allowed 100 people!  Some of these states are ridiculous!
This is a little oversimplified. The limited exemption for protests comes with a requirement to wear face coverings and maintain social distance (neither of which is required if you're having a social gathering). (link)

 
This is a little oversimplified. The limited exemption for protests comes with a requirement to wear face coverings and maintain social distance (neither of which is required if you're having a social gathering). (link)
Social distancing at protests? :lmao:

wearing a mask while yelling and screaming :lmao:

following guidelines at a protest :lmao:

 
Why is everyone still so fixated on cases per day numbers...unless testing is steady each day they are irrelevant.  The whole point of lockdowns was to flatten the curve so hospitals don't get overrun.  The only stats that matter are hospitalizations and deaths per day.  The more healthy folks that are getting it the better...as long as the hospitalizations/death curves don't spike.

And the riots  have made this all irrelevant.  I saw in California, the new guidelines allowed no more the groups of 12 for social gatherings...and right below that was protests were allowed if it was 100 people or less!  So basically, if you call your birthday party a protest, you are allowed 100 people!  Some of these states are ridiculous!
Not sure "fixated" is the word.  To the general question, I guess people look at cases because it's the initial indicator of what is to come.  Similar to how "dark" the storm clouds are in the distance coming your way.  If the number of cases is going up, the number of possible hospitalizations and deaths are going up.  That's ungood to many.  Sure, some will be fine, but the more cases the more opportunity for hospitalization and death.  Belle Glade Florida was a good example of why people look at cases.  It got really bad and was unmanageable for about two and half weeks.  They seem to have it under control, but the rise in cases forecast a bad outcome in the not too distant future.  

None of this is either/or unless one is pushing some narrative above/beyond the actual events.  I have no particular use for that approach.  It's not any more productive than the "you're wearing masks out of fear, why?" group.  

 
Connecticut

- Down to 333 hospitalizations.  Great number, considering we were at 1,972 just 6 weeks ago.  Haven't been this low since 28 March.
- 1,796 positives out of 46,539 tests performed over the last 7 days = 3.86%
- Averaged 20 deaths per day over last 7 days.  Yes, death sucks, but we had been averaging 69 deaths for the previous 54 days.

We have been taking it slow in CT.  Looks like indoor dining will begin to open on 17 June.  Masks still everywhere I look, and 100% compliance inside stores.

 
Frustrated to see so many (50% of more) not wearing a mask at grocery or other places where hundreds, even thousands, are mixing fairly closely each day.  Employees in such locations seem to be 100% when it comes to wearing a mask - sad to see about half just not giving a f### about the health of others.  
I don’t go out much but I have gone to Home Depot a few times.  I’d say 20% wearing masks and that includes the workers.  It’s crazy. 

 
Why is everyone still so fixated on cases per day numbers...unless testing is steady each day they are irrelevant.  The whole point of lockdowns was to flatten the curve so hospitals don't get overrun.  The only stats that matter are hospitalizations and deaths per day.  The more healthy folks that are getting it the better...as long as the hospitalizations/death curves don't spike.

And the riots  have made this all irrelevant.  I saw in California, the new guidelines allowed no more the groups of 12 for social gatherings...and right below that was protests were allowed if it was 100 people or less!  So basically, if you call your birthday party a protest, you are allowed 100 people!  Some of these states are ridiculous!
At what threshold would you consider hospitalizations and/or deaths “spiking”?

 
I followed things somewhat closely early on but it became too much so I only check in to the news or this thread a few times a week.  Is the case numbers continuing to go up pushing the death rate much?  Also, do they think that doctors have a better handle on treatment?

 
According to CDC, as of 3 June:

- 33% of deaths are 85 and older
- 27% of deaths are 75-84
- 21% of deaths are 65-74
- 12% of deaths are 55-64
- 5% of deaths are 45-54

Only 2% of deaths are from folks under 45, and it's well below 1% for the younger generation.  I don't want to sound too heartless, but can you really blame a 20-something for not giving a crap about this virus?  They likely don't know a single person in their age bracket who has died, or even gotten seriously ill.

 
According to CDC, as of 3 June:

- 33% of deaths are 85 and older
- 27% of deaths are 75-84
- 21% of deaths are 65-74
- 12% of deaths are 55-64
- 5% of deaths are 45-54

Only 2% of deaths are from folks under 45, and it's well below 1% for the younger generation.  I don't want to sound too heartless, but can you really blame a 20-something for not giving a crap about this virus?  They likely don't know a single person in their age bracket who has died, or even gotten seriously ill.
I don't blame them at all

 
No, but they have parents and aunts and uncles and grandparents and neighbors and colleagues and....
And if you are 20-something, which of those people above are really risky, besides your grandparents, and how often does a 20-something see their grandparent?

 
Why is everyone still so fixated on cases per day numbers...unless testing is steady each day they are irrelevant.  The whole point of lockdowns was to flatten the curve so hospitals don't get overrun.  The only stats that matter are hospitalizations and deaths per day.  The more healthy folks that are getting it the better...as long as the hospitalizations/death curves don't spike.
Cases are not irrelevant at all. More "healthy" folks getting it is assuredly not better.

 

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