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So explain to us your plan for teachers, administrators and people that work at the school--is it just screw them too?
No staff over 60, or those have any kind of pre-existing conditions, or those that are in close contact with any at risk people. Simple.
The small % of teachers and admin this applies to need to be adjusted for.
Did you happen to teach multivariable calculus? Because I'm pretty sure I've received the gentlemans C, and would like to take this opportunity to say thanks.
You disagree with what? My situation? Ok....sure? All I can tell you is our situation has no calculation for old people...disagree away I guess
Where is this idea that “no one is shutting anything down again” coming from? Because it’s absurd.
The point I was trying to make all along was schools are not being shut down for the safety of children. It's for the safety of adults, and in particular, older adults. Yes, I know teachers, staff, etc. are adults. I just didn't like hearing schools are closed for the sake of the kids, because that is false. Think of it like your local nail salon. They are pretty much in the last opening up phases. Schools, on the other hand, don't even have a phase in some places. At what point are kid's educations considered essential? Evidentally, it comes somewhere after ladies getting their nails done.
No, no, no. This is about kids and school in general. This has nothing to do with you personally, or your kids, or their grandparents. Sorry if you thought I was singling you out. I wasn't. You just happened to be the person I replied to, that's all.You disagree with what? My situation? Ok....sure? All I can tell you is our situation has no calculation for old people...disagree away I guess
Dude...it's not going to happen. Just look around...look at all the states "opening" as things start to trend in the wrong direction. This is the reality you need to get used to GB
So many things cause death, how many different causes for the 1,030,799? Where does covid rank on the list of causes?
ok....my comments are specific to our situation....not the overall. Thanks for clearing that up.
I don't see it happening in Ohio. Individual companies may shut down, but there are enough people that are fed up with the governor that they will not listen to any orders. The state law makers are backing the people and not the governor.
So it's ok for police, firefighters, and nurses to be essential workers and actually work but not teachers? So teachers aren't essential
I don't understand why it not happening now means that it won't happen in the future? States are opening because at the moment there is no disaster. Florida is, overall, fine. Same with every state. No state has an outbreak, our lockdowns ended them all.
Found a really cool website. Here is the link... https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/usa-cause-of-death-by-age-and-gender
I can't speak to whether people will listen to orders. That's a whole other subject. But if Ohio becomes a raging hotspot in the future (it's not now), they will definitely reinstitute stay-at-home orders.
One factor you are not taking into account - will the Police forcefully shut down businesses that refuse to close a second time?
Probably highly dependent upon location and participation of teachers (and parents).Yeah, our kids liked it too. They do miss their friends, but that's changing now that sports are opened back up here. I'm not sure if I could handle them home all the timebut if that's the right thing to do, I will put them first and do it.
You have more faith in people and politicians than I do....just don't see it happening. Something I wouldn't mind being wrong about.
The point others were trying to make was - Governors can make all the decisions they want, but it's up to the public to choose to adhere. And when (not if) the public does not adhere (whether it be masks, 6 foot rule, or businesses staying open), do you think law enforcement will step in? We have to face facts right now - once things open back up, the public decides if they will close again - not the Governors.
Would we continue to pay those employees? Where would the money come from to hire replacements? Would that be federal money?
To be fair, the school year is already over in many locations, and even in places where it's not, is there really any point to reopening schools with a week to go?
I think everyone is glancing over the ‘pre-existing’ conditions as another way to brush it off as something they don’t need to worry about. Some of the pre-existing conditions that are so frequently mentioned are hypertension and obesity. Do you have any idea how many teachers either have high blood pressure or are overweight? Most of them.
It most certainly is. Certain workers have taken precautions to allow them to work onsite during the pandemic so what makes teachers so special they can't? That's assuming schools take the precautions, and it seems most are, like limiting the number of students in a classroom at a time etc..
Teachers wearing masks isn't going to significantly prevent them from contracting COVID from an infected person not wearing one. The kids would have to wear masks to protect the teachers.
If you see a "bump"... that is a clear green light to re open immediately and fully. And not look back.
Yes, federal money will pay for everything. I think we've established we can conjure up as much money as it takes for anything.
How would this work? Imagine a family where the parent is high-risk (due to say, asthma) and the child is, let's say, 7 years old. Is the parent supposed to avoid the child? Let's further imagine it's a single parent household. Now what? How about a family with two children, where one has Cystic Fibrosis? How will those children be educated?
They can continue to do whatever they are doing now. The option to go to school if they so choose will just now be available to them.
Certainly wouldn't open schools just for a few days. Let the kids have their usual summer, then open back up at normal time, fully. Students are essential workers, and attending classes, in person, is their job. I won't try to debate home schooling, and perhaps it's better for a student who cannot social distance from grandparents, etc.
Agree with the bolded. "Isolate the elderly" IMHO is much, much harder than some people seem to think.
I think the item in red is a much bigger cohort than commonly thought. It's not a handful here and there.
My point was more about other industries. Plenty of industries are "open" with workers wearing masks but the clients are not necessarily wearing them. It's been like that for a while and teachers shouldn't be treated differently.
How many kids, living in the burbs with their middle to upper middle class parents, also live with their grandparents? Kids living with grandparents is a money thing, or lack of it.
For groceries and retail -- at least around here -- Plexiglas barriers are almost universal. Mask usage among customers is inconsistent, but generally good (north of 2/3 typically, sometimes more like 90%).
It's more complicated than that when you take an expansive top-of-the-mountain view. Don't confuse 'your normal' with 'everyone's normal'.
You are correct about Ohio, Governor DeWine has already shown that he will make science based decisions with the goal of protecting Ohioans.
