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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (14 Viewers)

shader said:
Southeast beginning a long and slow descent into one big hot zone
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I noticed the link posted by @SoBeDad showed Florida with a total of 16,105 positives over the last 11 days.  What is annoying is with so many specific numbers and percentages in the article, why leave out the most important one if you are listing positives - tests performed over the same 11 days?  If this guy has access to all those numbers he quoted, he surely had access to tests performed.

 
So many states starting to set new highs in both confirmed cases and hospitalizations. I wish we could find a common link to figure out why those particular states are having a surge. There's got to be something...

 
TheWinz said:
I noticed the link posted by @SoBeDad showed Florida with a total of 16,105 positives over the last 11 days.  What is annoying is with so many specific numbers and percentages in the article, why leave out the most important one if you are listing positives - tests performed over the same 11 days?  If this guy has access to all those numbers he quoted, he surely had access to tests performed.
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http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/action/report_archive/state/state_reports_latest.pdf

Can't find much more than that, but that's a pretty high rate of positives.

 
In Florida now.  There is nothing at all to suggest a pandemic is happening.  A few stores require masks to enter.  That's it.  At a remote beach location where don't have to interact with anyone and sure as hell don't plan to.  

 
jobarules said:
It sounds like momentum is growing for NYC schools to have a hybrid remote learning plan with kids mixing in class learning and remote learning. 

Kill me now. How do working parents like us do that? Time to move. 
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There are going to be many states/cities that will juggle these same scenarios. Not sure moving is necessarily the answer.

Hopefully you can/or your wife can have a productive discussion with your employers and come up with a plan. You certainly won't be the only one, so hopefully they do their best to accomodate working families.

 
BassNBrew said:
NC set a new daily record with 1846 cases yesterday.  I was in a Lowes yesterday and 2 people out of 75 (excluding staff) were wearing a mask.  Make that 3 as I forgot to count myself.  Mask usage has been on a downward decline since we moved to stage two.  This is why we can't have nice things.  On top of this, it's ben hot and humid.  Maybe the weather doesn't matter, but my guy says if it were December that we'd be in serious trouble.
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There is also the "it is too damn hot and humid to be outside" weather phenomenon coming soon to a large portion of the country.

 
sho nuff said:
Sinugator  Been using this every other day or so (or any day Im outside a lot in the high pollen seasons).

I hate that they changed it the last few years to not give as high pressure of a spray...they dialed it back some.  Still helps.  I have bad pollen allergies and have had 3 surgeries to remove polyps from my left sinuses.  This plus the steroid sprays every few days are a must (especially now with a nasal cpap mask...have to keep that crap clear).
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I tried this. Way better than my netipot

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TheWinz said:
I noticed the link posted by @SoBeDad showed Florida with a total of 16,105 positives over the last 11 days.  What is annoying is with so many specific numbers and percentages in the article, why leave out the most important one if you are listing positives - tests performed over the same 11 days?  If this guy has access to all those numbers he quoted, he surely had access to tests performed.
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I’ve posted links to the tests in Florida many times.  Feel free to look it up 

 
Florida positivity rate for today was 7.2%. 36k tests.  That’s higher than you’d like it to be, for sure. 
 

This isn’t happening fast, like before, but it’s happening.

 
So, what should be the protocol for informing your friends and associates about being exposed to the coronavirus?

Last night I played 9 holes of golf with some friends. Usually, we all wear masks in the pro shop, but we take them off when we're on the course. (None of us ride in a cart, and we never get within 6 feet of each other.)

But yesterday I noticed that one member of the group was wearing his mask all the time. At first I assumed that he had simply forgotten that it was there, but then I noticed that he readjusted the fit on multiple occasions.

So, on the 4th hole I asked him why he was still wearing his mask.

His response: "Oh. Well, um....I've been going to the casino a lot lately....and I just found out that one of the employees tested positive for the coronavirus....and I may have been exposed...."

Gee, buddy, do ya think that MAYBE the rest of us would have found that information to be USEFUL??

He acted like it was no big deal, but I said that if he really thought it was no big deal, then he would have mentioned it before the round.

 
Noticing not many wearing masks here in Arizona. I am definitely in the minority now when at the stores. One of my main grocery stores is no longer cleaning carts. They have a cleaning station set up and want the customers to do the cleaning. I am getting the impression that between riots and our mountains now on fire that everyone thinks the pandemic is a thing of the past. It is frustrating. 

 
CR69 said:
So many states starting to set new highs in both confirmed cases and hospitalizations. I wish we could find a common link to figure out why those particular states are having a surge. There's got to be something...
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If you are referring to the recent protests, I'm sure that they are having a negative impact but I don't think there's a lot of evidence showing a consistent correlation. For reference, here is a map of all the demonstrations throughout the country. The map does not show the size of each protest, so it's difficult to gauge the impact on a state-by-state basis. But, for example, New York, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, and Illinois have all seen a large number of protests, yet none of them have seen a spike in cases. Meanwhile, South Carolina, Nevada, Utah and Oklahoma have seen relatively fewer protests, yet their case numbers are trending upward.

 
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[scooter] said:
If you are referring to the recent protests, I'm sure that they are having a negative impact but I don't think there's a lot of evidence showing a consistent correlation. For reference, here is a map of all the demonstrations throughout the country. The map does not show the size of each protest, so it's difficult to gauge the impact on a state-by-state basis. But, for example, New York, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, and Illinois have all seen a large number of protests, yet none of them have seen a spike in cases. Meanwhile, South Carolina, Nevada, Utah and Oklahoma have seen relatively fewer protests, yet their case numbers are trending upward.
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It’s not the protesting yet, that’s another week away until that really ramps up. It’s a lot of the states that opened things up more than others in mid May. 

 
[scooter] said:
If you are referring to the recent protests, I'm sure that they are having a negative impact but I don't think there's a lot of evidence showing a consistent correlation. For reference, here is a map of all the demonstrations throughout the country. The map does not show the size of each protest, so it's difficult to gauge the impact on a state-by-state basis. But, for example, New York, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, and Illinois have all seen a large number of protests, yet none of them have seen a spike in cases. Meanwhile, South Carolina, Nevada, Utah and Oklahoma have seen relatively fewer protests, yet their case numbers are trending upward.
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No, that's not it. Though I am really hoping there aren't an increase from those either. 

 
belljr said:
I tried this. Way better than my netipot

👍
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Its great..the newer version annoyed me as it is not as powerful.  Ive gone through a couple as the thing that goes into the top that fits against your nose...the plastic on it has been cheap and has broken off into the machine part.  I may try and find a way to get it out of the old one and hope all the new parts fit it right and go back to a little more power.

 
fruity pebbles said:
Things are gonna get shut down again in many parts of the country in the next couple weeks. 
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It won't happen again. Regardless of the politics, the fact that a significant percentage of the cases are asymtomatic or non-clinical (which some of us here were saying would be the case since March) means that the politicians and medical experts are going to be forced to take a much more targeted approach. I still feel the shutdowns were the right thing to do at the time but we have much more data now. Use that data to drive more effective outcomes.

We also don't need the tools on CNN vs Fox News going at each other non-stop, each bringing in their respective clown cars of non-elected, so-called experts that seem to have influence over policy making. Just expect there will be no vaccine in the near future and plan to protect high risk groups accordingly. For everyone else, wear a mask and take the necessary precautions. We all know its bad but the world isn't going to end, at least not from covid. And just turn off the news and social media for at least a day and look around and see that we still live in a world with amazing potential.

 
Joe Summer said:
So, what should be the protocol for informing your friends and associates about being exposed to the coronavirus?

Last night I played 9 holes of golf with some friends. Usually, we all wear masks in the pro shop, but we take them off when we're on the course. (None of us ride in a cart, and we never get within 6 feet of each other.)

But yesterday I noticed that one member of the group was wearing his mask all the time. At first I assumed that he had simply forgotten that it was there, but then I noticed that he readjusted the fit on multiple occasions.

So, on the 4th hole I asked him why he was still wearing his mask.

His response: "Oh. Well, um....I've been going to the casino a lot lately....and I just found out that one of the employees tested positive for the coronavirus....and I may have been exposed...."

Gee, buddy, do ya think that MAYBE the rest of us would have found that information to be USEFUL??

He acted like it was no big deal, but I said that if he really thought it was no big deal, then he would have mentioned it before the round.
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Self quarantine after exposure is very important. This seems to be the easiest step we can take. If we can’t take the simple steps then a major shutdown is more likely to occur. 
 

I’ve divided my staff into set shifts so if someone gets sick I can bounce their entire group for two weeks. Way better than shuttering the e tire operation for another 12 weeks. 

 
TwinTurbo said:
It won't happen again. Regardless of the politics, the fact that a significant percentage of the cases are asymtomatic or non-clinical (which some of us here were saying would be the case since March) means that the politicians and medical experts are going to be forced to take a much more targeted approach. I still feel the shutdowns were the right thing to do at the time but we have much more data now. Use that data to drive more effective outcomes.

We also don't need the tools on CNN vs Fox News going at each other non-stop, each bringing in their respective clown cars of non-elected, so-called experts that seem to have influence over policy making. Just expect there will be no vaccine in the near future and plan to protect high risk groups accordingly. For everyone else, wear a mask and take the necessary precautions. We all know its bad but the world isn't going to end, at least not from covid. And just turn off the news and social media for at least a day and look around and see that we still live in a world with amazing potential.
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I’m not saying the entire country again but you can be assured some hotspots are going to shut down again when hospitals hit capacity in those areas. Some areas are going to need a reset and act a lot more responsibly when their numbers come back down. 

 
fruity pebbles said:
I’m not saying the entire country again but you can be assured some hotspots are going to shut down again when hospitals hit capacity in those areas. Some areas are going to need a reset and act a lot more responsibly when their numbers come back down. 
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Yes agree if hospitals hit capacity because that's really the only number that matters. But that doesn't need to happen with a more targeted and data driven approach.

I still think Taiwan had by far the best and most effective response all while being the region most at risk. More countries should have followed their approach. 

 
the moops said:
There is also the "it is too damn hot and humid to be outside" weather phenomenon coming soon to a large portion of the country.
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It's hot in AZ and our cases are rising. Heat doesn't appear to help against the virus, but you make a good point too. Driving people indoors to worse environments for transmission.

 
TwinTurbo said:
It won't happen again. Regardless of the politics, the fact that a significant percentage of the cases are asymtomatic or non-clinical (which some of us here were saying would be the case since March) means that the politicians and medical experts are going to be forced to take a much more targeted approach. I still feel the shutdowns were the right thing to do at the time but we have much more data now. Use that data to drive more effective outcomes.

We also don't need the tools on CNN vs Fox News going at each other non-stop, each bringing in their respective clown cars of non-elected, so-called experts that seem to have influence over policy making. Just expect there will be no vaccine in the near future and plan to protect high risk groups accordingly. For everyone else, wear a mask and take the necessary precautions. We all know its bad but the world isn't going to end, at least not from covid. And just turn off the news and social media for at least a day and look around and see that we still live in a world with amazing potential.
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Tell all this to the family in AZ I just linked a story too. As much as many would like, this isn't something you just can close your eyes, plug your ears, and go lalalala and ignore.

I get your point but I just think we need way better leadership on this. We can do much better.

 
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culdeus said:
In Florida now.  There is nothing at all to suggest a pandemic is happening.  A few stores require masks to enter.  That's it.  At a remote beach location where don't have to interact with anyone and sure as hell don't plan to.  
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Agreed. Had to stop at Bass Pro Shops in Tampa today and maybe 25% of folks were wearing masks and no real social distancing occurring. 

 
belljr said:
If Arizona and Florida keep going the way they are hospitals are going to be in trouble
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I think you overestimate the willingness even in the face of disaster for either of those states to do anything. The economy may essentially shutdown but I don’t see anything major being mandated. It’s gonna have to be NYC bad for AZ to go back to lockdown.

 
cap'n grunge said:
Tell all this to the family in AZ I just linked a story too. As much as many would like, this isn't something you just can close your eyes, plug your ears, and go lalalala and ignore.

I get your point but I just think we need way better leadership on this. We can do much better.
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Yes agree. That's also why I acknowledged it's bad and we need a more targeted approach. We saw another story earlier on about a family like that in NJ. How is it that one family can be entirely wiped out and another family doesn't even have a single symptom. Clearly there are some genetic risk factors in play that we just don't fully understand yet. Add that to underlying health conditions and environmental factors, and it results in a very bad outcome for some people. But we can see from the data, the vast majority of the population does not express these risk factors. 

I think the call for better leadership is a bit irrelevant in our country's case as the outcome would have probably been about the same regardless of who was calling the shots. Any leader would have needed the political clout to close the borders in early January, scale up domestic face mask production with mandatory usage, and then implement expanded screening and quarantine procedures for travelers, testing programs, and contact tracing. All in January. No politician from either side of the aisle would have done any of those things and many advocated the exact opposite at that time, despite what they all may claim in hindsight. And even then, it may not have worked because we have an open, democratic society where even in the midst of mandatory shutdowns, most people were not completing isolating or social distancing. 

 
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Big spike in daily Louisiana numbers per Worldometers. Hopefully that is an aberation. 

 
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AAABatteries said:
Not sure but I’ll say this much - people have begun acting like everything is back to normal.  I ran some errands today and the lack of masks is noticeable and very frustrating.
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What's frustrating? 

What part of the country or State are you in? I understand AAA, really I do. We just got horrible news if I can still read correctly, over 2.581 NEW CASES in Florida and if I can look backwards it would seem there was a lot of 500-600 case days over several weeks or what I would call steady and now we spike?!

-The question I have and seems to be hard to find is whether they are just administering 4x the amount of tests or suddenly a 3% positive rate became 6%...we just don't know. 

The frustration on this end AAA is it feels like we are getting incomplete data here in Florida which is not surprising to many I'm sure. 

Different questions or thoughts for you...I had to get over seeing people in 100 degree heat walking around outside with masks. If we need to stroke these folks at the beach so they feel safe then shouldn't we be understanding of those folks who feel like they need to walk around without a mask? If you are wearing one, what does the %decrease in catching the virus? 

I'm asking because the sight of people without masks is upsetting you and where I am in South Florida I think people are being understanding of folks who feel BOTH ways towards the mask. 

 
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I’m not sure this is complicated - it’s frustrating because people should wear a mask when out in public and indoors.  I don’t ####### care that it’s an inconvenience - I hate them too but it’s beyond stupid that people can’t wear them.

Note - I’m not talking about outdoors (mostly - see below) or just seeing people out.  I’m talking about walking around Publix or Home Depot and seeing 25-50% or less of folks wearing them.  And yes, I’m also irritated that we had so many protests with people not wearing them or social distancing themselves.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
What's frustrating? 

What part of the country or State are you in? I understand AAA, really I do. We just got horrible news if I can still read correctly, over 2.581 NEW CASES in Florida and if I can look backwards it would seem there was a lot of 500-600 case days over several weeks or what I would call steady and now we spike?!

-The question I have and seems to be hard to find is whether they are just administering 4x the amount of tests or suddenly a 3% positive rate became 6%...we just don't know. 

The frustration on this end AAA is it feels like we are getting incomplete data here in Florida which is not surprising to many I'm sure. 

Different questions or thoughts for you...I had to get over seeing people in 100 degree heat walking around outside with masks. If we need to stroke these folks at the beach so they feel safe then shouldn't we be understanding of those folks who feel like they need to walk around without a mask? If you are wearing one, what does the %decrease in catching the virus? 

I'm asking because the site of people without masks is upsetting you and where I am in South Florida I think people are being understanding of folks who feel BOTH ways towards the mask. 
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IIRC Florida has been holding steady on the positive test rate, but increase in positives but also a big increase in tests. However, a big rise in testing should see a decrease in positive rate because you’re no longer just testing the people showing symptoms.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
What's frustrating? 

What part of the country or State are you in? I understand AAA, really I do. We just got horrible news if I can still read correctly, over 2.581 NEW CASES in Florida and if I can look backwards it would seem there was a lot of 500-600 case days over several weeks or what I would call steady and now we spike?!

-The question I have and seems to be hard to find is whether they are just administering 4x the amount of tests or suddenly a 3% positive rate became 6%...we just don't know. 

The frustration on this end AAA is it feels like we are getting incomplete data here in Florida which is not surprising to many I'm sure. 

Different questions or thoughts for you...I had to get over seeing people in 100 degree heat walking around outside with masks. If we need to stroke these folks at the beach so they feel safe then shouldn't we be understanding of those folks who feel like they need to walk around without a mask? If you are wearing one, what does the %decrease in catching the virus? 

I'm asking because the sight of people without masks is upsetting you and where I am in South Florida I think people are being understanding of folks who feel BOTH ways towards the mask. 
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http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/action/report_archive/state/state_reports_latest.pdf

Look at page two for the positive test rate. It's not good...

 
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AAABatteries said:
I’m not sure this is complicated - it’s frustrating because people should wear a mask when out in public and indoors.  I don’t ####### care that it’s an inconvenience - I hate them too but it’s beyond stupid that people can’t wear them.

Note - I’m not talking about outdoors (mostly - see below) or just seeing people out.  I’m talking about walking around Publix or Home Depot and seeing 25-50% or less of folks wearing them.  And yes, I’m also irritated that we had so many protests with people not wearing them or social distancing themselves.
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Cheers AAA 

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
AAABatteries said:
I’m not sure this is complicated - it’s frustrating because people should wear a mask when out in public and indoors.  I don’t ####### care that it’s an inconvenience - I hate them too but it’s beyond stupid that people can’t wear them.

Note - I’m not talking about outdoors (mostly - see below) or just seeing people out.  I’m talking about walking around Publix or Home Depot and seeing 25-50% or less of folks wearing them.  And yes, I’m also irritated that we had so many protests with people not wearing them or social distancing themselves.
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Cheers AAA 
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Are you purposefully trying to mislead regarding what he posted?

ETA:  Edited to take out MOP's post, which was posted under the influence of delicious concoctions.

 
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