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Really unwise by the business and the patrons. Especially the business, really irresponsible.
I think, in large part, for a few reasons:
I've been thinking for a while there are some significant missing pieces in the "How does COVID-19 spread?" puzzle.
I know UTSW is doing some level of study with the grocers and stockers at a local major chain. They have had a hard time running the study because none of them are getting sick, let alone even testing positive.
Given the crowd that would frequent that show, COVID may be the least of your worries."imagine getting covid because you watched a kid rock show"
This simply isn't true. While I agree that wearing a mask in public is the right thing to do right now the folks that don't are not selfish.
In addition to continuing deaths of the old and at risk individuals there are undesirable outcomes - other than death - that will have significant downstream healthcare costs. Yes, we know a lot more about COVID19 than we did months ago and that helps people do the right things, but the underlying virus remains the same. Too many people are acting as if...as if their rationalized choices are okay and we're good to go. The behavior of these individuals will eventually hurt us all with more and more cases, deaths, and a prolongment of the pain this thing has already spread. The "but I'm not going to die" attitude but some is pathetically short-sighted and shows a real lack of critical thinking skills or empathy for others.
How do you figure they aren't selfish? I can only put them in one of two buckets - selfish or misinformed.
Disagree. You don't wear the mask in public indoor spaces for yourself. You wear it for other people.
A lot of people believe face coverings are purely an "affects only me!" thing. Not nearly so.
People who demand people wear masks are selfish. It is up to you to avoid situations that could put you in risk.
Like avoid going to work or seeing family members who may have been to a crowded place like the linked pic
I’d have to go digging around to find it again but at the beginning of May-ish I read an article and study on super-spreaders that had multiple cases like the one you asking about. One that I remember clearly was of a guy who ate at a restaurant and 12/13 people contracted it. They were able to determine it was due to where he sat and the direction of the AC blowing. The people “downwind” were all the ones who got it.Doug B said:
It's unreasonable to expect that many people to just drop out of public life. Won't ever budge and see it your way, sorry.
I saw that -- but why is it that one "famous" example repeated over and over again? Why aren't there 100 stories of similar spreading events?
It sounds like you agree with me then that impinging the freedom of someone by requiring a mask is wrong.
Nope. And I almost wrote out that IMHO requiring face coverings as a condition of entry into certain public indoor spaces is not an impingement of any kind, but I thought that spelling that out would not be necessary.
Good question, didn’t know it was “famous”, I’ve not heard it anywhere other then the article I read a while back. Maybe it’s because the contact tracing studies are complex and still ongoing? Not sure but it is a good question you pose.
For clarity sake I hate the idea of it being required, people should just be responsible when they have others lives in their hands, but how do you feel about seatbelts, helmet requirements, speed limits, gun permits, required car insurance, etc etc?
At the potential cost of others? Maybe not personal risk then. How about social risk?
There's a lot of mixed messaging going on out there, and everyone has a lot of fancy certificate acronyms after their names. If you have a stance, there's going to be a medical / data / statistical expert that backs your play. Heck, there's at least 3 different social distancing guidelines between the US, WHO, and Europe alone.TheWinz said:
We could increase mask wearing significantly - if there was a story on CNN that non-mask wearing is a plot by the KKK to intentionally get people sick in an effort to get rid of Biden voters in the upcoming election and that non-mask wearing is symbolic of support for the KKK movement.
Maybe it varies by locale but around here, all the CNN-watching Biden supporters are already wearing masks. You'd need something like this airing on Fox News, 99.9999% of the "I'm not wearing a mask" crowd are the Trump supporters.
You guys can't help yourself....
Maybe I misread your post, but that's my anecdotal experience from up here in NJ. 
Me, too. But you have to handhold the CNN and Fox News crowds. You can't just give them facts and expect them to draw intelligent conclusions. What are you gonna do?
This bodes well for the upcoming RNC since it moved from Charlotte to Jacksonville.
In their defense, you're on the bhote throwing chumYou guys can't help yourself....
Tracing an outbreak to a grocery store or big box store would be incredibly hard outside an outbreak of employee cases. If you take a two week period, chances are most people will have gone to multiple of these type of stores. You might be able to find common places that multiple positives testing people visited but hard to confirm it’s more than a coincidence. On the flip side, a restaurant or bar would be much easier to trace back to.Doug B said:
There is the Chicago super spreader too https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2020/4/8/21214375/super-spreader-coronavirus-spread-chicago-patients-deaths-cdc-covid-19
It's not a right/left thing, it's more of a blue collar / white collar thing.
