DallasDMac
Footballguy
For what? Infection, it is 35.8 in San Antonio. Hospitalization, 48.7. That was as of Monday.
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Captain Cranks
Footballguy
Your head would explode if you were down here in Florida. Sometimes I feel like an alien because I'm the only person wearing one.
I was at an auto dealer the other day and not one employee wore them. The salesman had the audacity to complain that people weren't taking the virus seriously enough...as he spoke to me less than six feet away without a mask.
DallasDMac
Footballguy
All customer facing businesses go back on mandatory masks Monday here. Can't fine the people that don't wear them because, according to Gov Abbott, liberty!!! But businesses can be fined.
Seriously, how did some of these people get elected? I guess we had no way of knowing they'd literally put party loyalty ahead of the lives of people.
Seriously, how did some of these people get elected? I guess we had no way of knowing they'd literally put party loyalty ahead of the lives of people.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
I actually like wearing a mask. It's kind of an extension of my general preference to keep my germs to myself. I'm hoping it never fully goes away honestly.
Scoresman
Footballguy
Cuz this is ‘Merica and ain’t no one gonna tell me what to do.
Thats the reason why cases in lots of other places are declining and ours are rising again. People get so bent out of shape when the government tells them they have to wear masks, their blinded by the benfits of it
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
I could poke the bear a bit since I need to know health conditions to prevent drug-health condition interactions. If I don’t have a health condition on file that would prevent someone from wearing a mask, it would be malpractice for me not to get a full health history.
TheWinz
Footballguy
Does that mean I can simply tell the "bouncer" at the grocery store, and they have to let me in? Or can a store still refuse my entry?
TheWinz
Footballguy
Aloha, and welcome to the "my state rocks" contest. Hawaii could've easily went the other way, so yes, they are certainly in the running. You should hold your head high. There is no shame finishing behind CT.
The Commish
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Isn't this just a twisted way to get to "no shirt, no shoes, no mask, no service"? Business owner: "Yeah, I don't like it, but If you don't wear a mask here, I have to pay a fine, so put it on or don't come here". Sure, it's spineless and completely political, but I guess it's better than nothing
-OZ-
Footballguy
Many of our friends went down to Panama City and beaches on the gulf the last two weeks, they mentioned "COVID just doesn't seem to exist down there"
Meanwhile, Huntsville is now on the COVID-19 Task Force Watch List, which represents any organizations or governments that has more than a 200 percent increase in confirmed cases.
If we don't get our #### together, we're ducked.
Blue Dot Orange Dot
Footballguy
Based on everyone wearing masks, probably. My wife and I have been wearing ours anytime we go out so I didn’t look for a sign that said it was required.
We moved here from Texas a couple of weeks ago and during the drive it seemed like Florida was the most stringent on mask-wearing requirements. We spent the night in Mobile and at the hotel, the front desk clerk was wearing a mask and they had a 6-foot line at the front desk. Only one hotel bar was open with signs regarding social distancing.
We stopped at a McDonald’s somewhere in FL and there was an employee at the door to let people in to minimize the number of people inside at one time. Masks were required inside and only one person at a time allowed in the bathroom. Exit was a separate door from the entrance.
Since we’ve been in St. Pete, from what we can tell most people are wearing masks while shopping. I don’t think every store has been requiring them but it’s still good to see that most people are doing it. We haven’t been going out to bars or dining in anywhere so the only thing I know about those places is that St. Pete had to re-close 4 bars after employees tested positive for COVID-19.
TheWinz
Footballguy
Do I, as a bouncer, have the right to deny access to a business, based on someone being unmasked? Or do I have to let an unmasked person in? It's a simple question.
Rich Conway
Footballguy
May depend on the state. I imagine in most states businesses can proactively enforce a mask policy (e.g. here in CT, individual businesses can allow dogs or not), but there may be a few where it is not allowed.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
The ABC store near me here in VA absolutely won't let you in without a mask. I know this because it happened to me. I had just forgotten to put it on, so went back to my car and rectified that.
Other places, I haven't seen reject anyone not wearing one even though they had "mandatory mask" signs up.
TheWinz
Footballguy
Ron Swanson
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Thanks for this....Just got email this AM from them responding to my question from two weeks ago and pointed me to the FAQ....worth the read.
jamny
Footballguy
Just briefly glanced at it but it already looks much more representative of what is happening. I'm glad because I had given up on it since their last update.
GoBirds
Footballguy
That’s great to hear, Virginia has really been trending in the right direction as well. Hopefully we see more of this soon in some of the current hot spots.
DallasDMac
Footballguy
I'm not sure. The mayor just announced the change and didn't get in to that level of detail. I'm hoping they can turn them away, but I can't say for sure.
jamny
Footballguy
Thanks for pointing this out. Obviously I love that they are including the amount of tests in their calculation with the blue line. Should really make this the go-to reference now for an overview of what's happening.
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Oh, don't get me wrong, I love that the Mayor and Judge took the step. I'm not happy they had too. Our Mayor and the Mayors of just about every large city in the state wrote the Governor and asked to be allowed to mandate masks city-wide. Not state wide mind you, city wide for those suffering spikes. But the Governor simply refused, so we are left stuck looking for loopholes to work around his idiotic stance. Meanwhile we edge closer to overwhelming our healthcare system. It's lunacy.Isn't this just a twisted way to get to "no shirt, no shoes, no mask, no service"? Business owner: "Yeah, I don't like it, but If you don't wear a mask here, I have to pay a fine, so put it on or don't come here". Sure, it's spineless and completely political, but I guess it's better than nothing
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
Billionaire investor Paul Tudor Jones said a couple months ago that America's greatest strength, its pursuit of freedom and liberty, will be its biggest weakness during the pandemic.
I don't necessarily agree that it's our greatest strength at this point in history, but it's definitely a big weakness.
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The Commish
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
The whack-a-mole approach seems to be the popular choice as it allows our leadership the opportunity to punt to lower levels...that tone was set at the federal level and has trickled down to the states...well some states. Most of them have an obvious thing in common, but that's for the PSF.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Also, the biggest city in the state (Baltimore) has been very slow to open up. I think our helps that there are big hospital and public health entities in the city (UMD and Hopkins).
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Oh, there is no doubt Governor Abbott worships at the feet of his orange-skinned god. I'm just stunned that ANY governor would be fine with risking the lives of his constituents for ANY reason, yet alone one as pathetic as that. From reading this thread, I realize he is not alone in that.
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The Z Machine
Footballguy
Outdoors and decent mask utilisation?
We'll see reports from contact tracing if the protests were a big contributor or not.
-OZ-
Footballguy
That's the thing that would piss me off more than anything. If you don't want to wear a mask outside and not in a crowd (maintaining distance), ok, I can pretty much get with that. If states allow stores to not require customers to wear masks, ok, just make that clear to others. But a store should have the right to deny entry if you're not wearing a mask. It's not an equal rights issue or discrimination of handicapped individuals.
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The median age of those with positive tests in Florida has dropped from the 60s to 37. In PB, Broward and Miami Dade, it is now 40, 41 and 33. If these people don't transmit it to their older family members, there's hope that hospitals won't be overwhelmed. There's plenty of ICU capacity in Miami Dade.
https://www.wptv.com/news/state/florida-gov-ron-desantis-to-give-coronavirus-update-at-florida-international-university
https://www.wptv.com/news/state/florida-gov-ron-desantis-to-give-coronavirus-update-at-florida-international-university
TheWinz
Footballguy
Agreed. Anything showing CT in 1st place has to be spot on, but I don't think @Terminalxylem will be too thrilled.
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
New redneck battle-cry Im seeing on FB.... "I aint weain' no face mask. It's illegal to wear a face covering when carrying a concealed weapon with a permit.".... MERICA!
Bar down the road opened this week. Its been packed every day. Talked to someone who works there and asked what they're doing for social distancing. She said "You get 2 warnings before being fined. We're fully open with no restrictions whatsoever until that happens." ... MERICA!
Bar down the road opened this week. Its been packed every day. Talked to someone who works there and asked what they're doing for social distancing. She said "You get 2 warnings before being fined. We're fully open with no restrictions whatsoever until that happens." ... MERICA!
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
It’s easy to destroy your Rt when you have 3 cases or less daily for a couple weeks. But I am concerned with the recent spike, as it includes our first nursing home outbreak.
But I’ll take less than 1000 total cases over 45K+ any day. Your population is less than 3x ours, and even though overall population density is higher in CT, I’m willing to bet the percentage of people living in close proximity is greater on island, as a lot of our terrain is mountainous/volcanic/jungle and uninhabitable.
renesauz
IBL Representative
I've seen waaaaay too much of this. We went from programs that made sure that "nobody dies alone" to not letting anyone visit at all. Now it's a single visitor a day ONLY if you're not COVID.
Lost among the numbers are other deaths. Domestic violence and suicides are WAAAAY up. Doctors are missing stuff they wouldn't have missed before because they're so focused on COVID. And all of the extra precautions we take to tresat people definitely interferes with care.
I think that when it's all said and done we're going to find that more of us have had COVID then we thought. IE: Its far more widespread then the current testing indicates, and more people have carried it without knowing it. That might mean that we get through it a bit quicker then some models predict now. Testing has focused on symptomatic cases only except for some studies. We probably should have tested all of our health care workers, but if we did we might not like the results.
TheWinz
Footballguy
Yeah, we got hammered at the start. Our nursing home folks in the southwest corner of the state were dropping like flies. The only reason we are #1 right now is because we were bottom of the barrel earlier.
renesauz
IBL Representative
Doesn't excuse all the idiots who fight basic measures such as masking...which is the logical step to take while opening back up. We've been generally good about it here in SE VA, and numbers at my hospital have (so far) remained fairly flat.
On a more.......morbid....note....keep in mind that as we look at the death tolls, that many, most actually, of these deaths are pretty unhealthy people to begin with. A significant percentage of these folks were in their last couple of years of life, years which would have been largely spent in hospitals and rehab facilities fighting their various ailments. I'm not saying that their lives don't matter, but we might well see a slight down-tick in deaths from other illnesses for a couple of years. I wrote above we're missing some current deaths in the totals, but I guess we're also COUNTING some current deaths in these totals also that would have likely died anyway.
None of this is easy
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I think what we learned from the protests is that the virus doesn't spread very well outdoors, and also masks are good. (As a reminder, the government lied to us about masks for the first couple of months of the pandemic).
Pipes
Footballguy
The problem is many of these people likely don’t know anyone that has it and if they do they don’t know anyone who’s died from it. Not excusing this behavior but so many people are ignorant and selfish and it will take a death close to them in order to get much of America to comply. Truly disgusting and I’m in the open things up(responsibly) camp and I do wear a mask indoors in public outside no.
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
ABC is state run and the governor mandated that masks are required for entry into any state government buildings.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Yes, I know that. I was just pointing out the difference. I should have been clearer.
the moops
Footballguy
My boss's grandmother just died of Covid. With the loosening of restrictions, they were able to have 50 person memorial service. She tells me that she and her immediate family (dad and 2 siblings) were the only people who wore masks.
At a funeral service, for someone who died of coronavirus, nearly nobody cares enough to protect others from a possible spread. It's ####### bonkers how selfish and ignorant some people are
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
I agree that it's just an abstract concept for many right now. I hear "we take risks everyday for other things" and "I'd rather be dead than give up my freedoms". I think that attitude changes for some when those in their circle begin to suffer.
ETA - Apparently not for the family mentioned just above.
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DallasDMac
Footballguy
This is the key, as both you and Pipes have stated on this page alone. People can color it how they want. They can dress it up with whatever excuse they choose to hide behind. But the simple fact is, going anywhere indoors around other people is nothing, absolutely nothing, but selfish and self-centered behavior. I can't imagine being such a self-centered tool that I was simply ok with putting people's life at risk just because I thought a mask was to much of an inconvenience. It boggles my mind.
Edit to add: I am talking large cities, especially those seeing spikes. I realize some rural areas simply aren't affected and this doesn't apply.
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WDIK2
Footballguy
On a lighter note, is it OK if I keep wearing a mask even if the current situation greatly improves? I think I'm better looking with a mask on. 
I may open an online dating profile with mask only pics.... For research purposes. 
ETA: Unless mandated by the business, mask wearing in my Nebraska small town is ~1%. :( It's a little better in Omaha.
I may open an online dating profile with mask only pics.... For research purposes. ETA: Unless mandated by the business, mask wearing in my Nebraska small town is ~1%. :( It's a little better in Omaha.
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DallasDMac
Footballguy
I did finally get my set of Spurs masks. Looking forward to sporting one of those. Though man, NBA.com is cheap. These are decorative covers and you have to insert some sort of filter. Guess I finally have a use for that pack of 4 cup coffee filters I never used once I retired from the military.On a lighter note, is it OK if I keep wearing a mask even if the current situation greatly improves? I think I'm better looking with a mask on.
ETA: Unless mandated by the business, mask wearing in my Nebraska small town is ~1%. :( It's a little better in Omaha.
