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How people don’t get that we should be doing absolutely everything possible to save the economy is baffling. Do we not remember locking down and putting 40 million people out of work? That literally just happened.
Pretty much and it’s quite depressing. Any shutdown now will crush many small businesses and its coming. Another PPP program isn’t coming. With a rocky flu season coming up, I think many won’t try to comeback a second time.
Deliberately kept the scenario simple to illustrate the point and make the math easy. Feel free to plug in more realistic numbers.
One area that Florida has done very well in comparison to other states is nursing home containment. Not only did DeSantis block hospitals from returning positive patients to nursing homes but he also had National Guard strike forces that continue to visit nursing homes throughout the state, inspecting and testing employees and caregivers.
Day 15 of FloridaSurge and I'm still standing.
Yes. Don’t let them make you a number.So if I get covid and have symptoms I just won't get tested.
Exactly what the man in the WH wants you to do.So if I get covid and have symptoms I just won't get tested.
Don't know exactly what you want, but here are some numbers...
I wonder - if you die and leave a note saying your dying wish is not to be tested, can they test you against your will, or will your death be ruled non-COVID?So if I get covid and have symptoms I just won't get tested.
This is where I draw the line with masks. In an outbreak scenario, I don't believe that masks can substitute for lockdowns. I don't know of one place where an outbreak happened, and it was brought under control by masks. I think this is financial guys being financial guys.
We have disagreed alot recently, but you are absolutely right on this. Masks are no match for lockdowns.
The absurd part is we did the ####### lockdown for 3 months. The fact there wasn't a National mask mandate with that and continuing now into the summer is just a slap in the face to everyone who sacrificed. Instead of easing our way out and staying safe, we are just pissing it away. It's mind blowing how disorganized the response has been. I can't even express how angry I am at all of this.
I'd imagine you aren't alone in your anger. No one is going to be happy about another round of lockdowns. Maybe this time people will listen and wear masks when they are over, so we can avoid this again.
I buy the younger people argument, but am still skeptical on the mutation part. Perhaps the spreaders aren't spreading the same amounts that they were early on in the northeast? Think of it this way - you take 2 people, and they each get an uppercut. One gets his from Mike Tyson, and the other gets his from me. Both people got an uppercut, but one is gonna be hurting, and the other has no idea they were hit.
That wouldn't have been constitutional. Police powers, the rubric under which that would fall, are specifically left to the states.
It's kind of hard to look that far into the future at an end-of-curve scenario when we are in an outbreak scenario.
They tracked and traced nearly immediately, the story goes. You can't catch up once you fall that far behind. To model their successes is a good idea, but one can't expect similar results once the proverbial cat is out of the bag.
Frontline healthcare workers are probably among the angriest. Sure, we still have our jobs, but the predictable, easily avoidable train wreck we’re seeing in many parts of the country is gonna drive a lot of HCW into early retirement or alternative careers. And I may be one of them.
Sure, but it would not have been hard to get all the Governor's together on this for a unified plan. All it would have taken is 4 people being on board with it and pushing it on the States: Trump, McConnell, Pelosi and Biden. If say Florida's governor refused, then go over the top of him. Trump could have tweeted, had some FB ads and done some commercials for Florida asking people to wear masks and letting them know their governor was failing them. Just because the President or Congress can't legally pass a universal law on this, it does not mean they can't organize a unified set plan.
There is an event coming up later this year were remembering how you feel now may influence a decision you will be asked to make, just saying.
Hawaii had single digit case numbers all through May and we still don’t have enough contact tracers. In this day and age, you really have to harness smart phones to facilitate tracking, but that requires giving up some privacy. But Americans are reluctant to do so, like just about everything else that requires personal sacrifice for the common good.
I think their point is that a mask mandate that is properly enforced and complied with would eliminate the need for a shutdown. That I can agree with. No way it’s as effective as a lockdown.
County population: 265,000
For Duuuuvalll County
And how many people from NY are heading out to the Sunbelt states for vacations now? Or really anywhere, doesn't have to be NY. I know they are shutting down beaches & bars but it's not across the board. If you can't go to FL, head to GA or SC. Here in SC, it's hit or miss on mask adherence, dine-in is happening and graduation parties are in full swing. Some are taking it seriously but most are moving on.
Great idea, want to share the Florida Covid-19 site from the Florida Dept of Health so this is OFFICIAL
That’s why they put the 14 day quarantine for anyone traveling from those states. Very hard to enforce but a percentage of people will do it. Unfortunately that percentage is the same as people willing to take proper precautions without being forced to. That percentage being low is the reason why other counties can control it and we’re looking at lockdown #2.
From the article:
I concentrated on your use of "mandate" which applies to both the commission and ability to act to enforce according to dictionary.com, and is how I've always understood the word.
I know 2 nurses who retired due to the risk from COVID, one early, and one at 70 who loved her ER job at Miami's public hospital.
Fair enough. Biden has already said though if he was POTUS he would use the Executive Branch to force businesses to require masks for anyone entering. There's always a work around on these things. We came up with the power to detain every Japanese-American citizen, we were able to limit the amount of food and basic supplies people could buy, we took over private businesses to make war machines, we forced cars makers to install seat belts in every car, etc. They could get an actual mask mandate through. The issue is enforcement. We needed bi-partisan unity from our leaders so that we didn't politicize it. A federal requirement to wear a mask is no good if counties have citizens, officials and LEOs who are unwilling to uphold it or feel the use of a mask vs. no mask is some kind of social-political statement.
i agree Dallas numbers are relatively good. Houston and San Antonio are bad. really bad.
Numbers from Dallas County finally broke the trend of both increasing positive test % and case count, plus the 7 day average moved in the correct direction.
#winning
I mean for reasons I can't really explain Dallas has really been an outlier in big cities for this thing. (in the good way)
I can't say I see just huge compliance across the board when going out, but it might be just enough.
If the president had suggested mandatory masks for each state when he had the conference call with all the governors instead of saying you guys are on your on...
It's saying that mask wearing could reduce the transmission to the extent places don't have to lockdown again. Like they are in other countries (although they locked down more than us too)
This would also be wildly unconstitutional, and shows why Biden, while preferable to some, is a dangerous legacy of the love of executive orders.
wrong thread...
