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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (20 Viewers)

TheWinz said:
A few pages ago, I showed how Hawaii was the 13th most densely populated state, but 50th in deaths per million.  I enjoy tooting CT's horn, but let's stop and toot our island state also.  How you only have 946 positive cases and 18 deaths is a mystery to me.  Let's put those numbers into perspective:

- 946 positives - 11 states topped that just yesterday alone
- Believe it or not, HI has more people than 10 other states
- Hawaii has less CASES than 24 other states have DEATHS
- Highest # of positives in one day was only 32, way back on 16 March
- It's been 137 days since HI had it's 1st positive; that's less than 7 per day since
- 18 deaths total - I could only find one day where HI had multiple deaths - a grand total of 2 on 20 April
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:goodposting: I attribute it all to excellent healthcare providers.

 
Buttonhook said:
I've heard from others that live in Hawaii that this is definitely becoming a big concern.  But I encouraged them, as you might soon have the advantage of being the only state in America that tourists feel safe travelling to/from. 
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Yeah, but some of us would prefer the mainland get its act together before importing more infections here. Fortunately, we haven’t been as lackadaisical enforcing quarantines as other states, but I’d prefer all visitors get testing before they leave their point of origin.

 
Terminalxylem said:
Yeah, but some of us would prefer the mainland get its act together before importing more infections here. Fortunately, we haven’t been as lackadaisical enforcing quarantines as other states, but I’d prefer all visitors get testing before they leave their point of origin.
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No testing here unless you have symptoms or a 7 figure sports contract

 
Sand said:
In other news, it looks like hydroxychloriquine actually works?  New study shows that when taken early it had significant benefits.  That's great, even with the political fallout inherent there.

So hydroxy early,  dexamethasone in the middle, and (very likely) leronlimab late.  
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Interesting, but I’d really prefer a prospective, randomized control trial. There are plenty ongoing.

And ~70% patients also took dexamethasone, so you have to consider that as a confounder.

 
shader said:
Regarding the HCQ study, before we start the mud-slinging, it’s probably best to give it a few days to let the experts weigh in.

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext
 

It’s already been pointed out (in a table in the linked study) that the median age of those treated with HCQ was 54.  The median age of those that didn’t get treated was 71.

Thats a massive difference and by itself could easily account for the mortality differences in the two groups.
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Didn’t notice that, but, yes, that’s a big problem.

 
TheWinz said:
Funny that you mentioned casinos.  One of the biggest casinos in the world (Foxwoods) is located in my county, about a 10 minute drive for me.  Wife and I went there a few days ago.  How safe did I feel?  Safer than I have inside any building, other than my own home.  You could not enter without a mask and a temperature check, they closed off many slots to maintain distancing, and for those games like 21, etc. there were plexiglass walls between every person.  And there were no waiters or waitresses walking around asking if you wanted a free drink.
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Sounds fun

 
CR69 said:
I read something recently about how exposure to other coronaviruses (colds) may also have something to do with this. The problem is, as we know, that’s only temporary. How many people in here get cold at least once or even a couple of times a year?
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Multiple different viruses are responsible for the common cold. But you’re right that immunity to other coronaviruses appears to be incomplete/short-lived.

ETA @Doug B should be given a medical license.

 
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NJ came to pretty much a total lock down minus food stores 

We had a stay at home order to literally not leave your house

 
jobarules said:
Sounds fun
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Actually, wifey and I only went there to gather goodies for the t-shirt exchange.  Was just pointing out how easy it was to make a casino safe.  The buildings are huge with high ceilings, plenty enough room to maintain social distancing.  Can you think of a safer indoor area, other than your house?  They could'veopened more restrooms though - I almost pissed myself walking, because they closed like 75% of them.

 
Beach today on Long Island. Rules required you to wear a mask from your car to your beach blanket, and the same when you go back. Security check at the front to make sure people followed that. But on the beach, a couple of slovenly families set their beach chairs within breathing distance of us. Got so crowded, we decided to bolt. People are idiots. 
 

Only thing that drives me more nuts is the beach parking lot. It’s massive. I park off to the side but leaving empty spaces on either side of me. The entire next rows are completely open. But of course I get back to my car and some lazy animals had to pack in the spaces on either side of my car. Heaven forbid they walk an extra eleven feet and just give themselves and others a little extra space to load and unload cars etc. Why do people do things like this?

 
[icon] said:
Just left after a week and a half in Bradenton/Tampa area. NOBODY was wearing masks. Staff who were forced to would have them on their chin.
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:shrug:  At what kind of locations? Not my experience living in Tampa...the last week+ has been very consistent w masks in grocery, restaurants, and some small retail I’ve been to (bike shop, hair cut).

 
Went to the store today. I saw plates from NY, PA, GA, SC, NC, and TN. I am shocked at the amount of cross state travel going on...or I could just be naive.

I am also new to the area (SC VA) and have no idea where everyone is headed.

 
Had about a dozen acquaintances that went on vacation to Clearwater (dont ask me why). All but 1 tested positive after coming back. All wore masks. The one negative was asked to come back to work the following day.

 
cubd8 said:
Question - Florida, Arizona, Texas and California seemed to be doing great through May. Why would they have changed what they were doing come June?
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Arizona: I mentioned prior but most state/city/county/federal employees here were/are just recently tested for COVID.

The increase isn't surprising.

 
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My city of 100k people is at no new cases in 13 days. There had been two active cases for the past little while but it was announced today that both are resolved. So no active cases and no new cases in 13 days. Thankful to live in a place where all levels of government and the citizens came together and beat the #### out of this thing :thumbup:

 
Pitchfork said:
My city of 100k people is at no new cases in 13 days. There had been two active cases for the past little while but it was announced today that both are resolved. So no active cases and no new cases in 13 days. Thankful to live in a place where all levels of government and the citizens came together and beat the #### out of this thing :thumbup:
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Username does not check out.

 
Pitchfork said:
My city of 100k people is at no new cases in 13 days. There had been two active cases for the past little while but it was announced today that both are resolved. So no active cases and no new cases in 13 days. Thankful to live in a place where all levels of government and the citizens came together and beat the #### out of this thing :thumbup:
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Where do you live?

 
Terminalxylem said:
Because they can learn from what happened elsewhere?
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What states should they have been listening to? Heading into June, what specific things should they have done differently?

I'm asking because there wasn't a major issue in these states heading into June, right? 

The states you may be suggesting they should have been listening to were having big problems, right?

 
Although the national and state figures bear watching, it's hard to mentally use that data to inform local situations. The constant focus on the negative really messes with the mind and isn't helpful in trying to make the best decisions for my family and how navigate life during this time. I live in DuPage county IL, a collar county of Chicago. One of the "hard hit" counties on the IL maps. We still have a large orange dot on the state of IL dashboard map, meaning we are one of the worse off. But when I go to the Dupage County dashboard it really paints a different picture. Out of our counties population of 922,921, there have been 9,209 confirmed cases this year (.9%) and 470 deaths (.05%). As of today, our counties 7 day rolling average for hospital admissions is .1 a day. None of that takes away from how infectious it is, or what is happening nationwide, but it was eye opening and really helps informing decisions like feeling better about having kids go to school in the fall.

 
Otis said:
Beach today on Long Island. Rules required you to wear a mask from your car to your beach blanket, and the same when you go back. Security check at the front to make sure people followed that. But on the beach, a couple of slovenly families set their beach chairs within breathing distance of us. Got so crowded, we decided to bolt. People are idiots. 
 

Only thing that drives me more nuts is the beach parking lot. It’s massive. I park off to the side but leaving empty spaces on either side of me. The entire next rows are completely open. But of course I get back to my car and some lazy animals had to pack in the spaces on either side of my car. Heaven forbid they walk an extra eleven feet and just give themselves and others a little extra space to load and unload cars etc. Why do people do things like this?
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LOL. Weren’t you the guy railing on Southners for going to the beach and then you turn around and go to the beach with your family. I would assume all the rude people you met there were transplants from the south

 
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The Commish said:
Not sure what's been happening the last couple pages, but are we now pretending my state isn't jam packed with "northerners" from NY/NJ?  I'm not really sure we want to go down that path do we?  What a weird tangent to take  :lol:  

That said, the politicians here in Florida are melting under the spotlight at this point.  They did a ton of positive groundwork to prep and have absolutely crapped the bed in execution.  The only thing they HAVEN'T done that NY did do was send sick people back to nursing homes causing many more deaths.  
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didnt they open the beaches and night clubs with high numbers already sick? Aren't y'all struggling to get any kind of consistent masking?

You SHOULD be doing much better then NY/NJ/CT did.

 
San Antonio (Bexar County) with another record setting day. We had gone thru a few reduced number days but today spiked again. Over half the positives were under the age of 40. 57% have already been confirmed as direct contact cases. Confirming, once again, that people are just idiots.

New mandatory masks requirements kicked in today. Hopefully in three weeks we'll see a reduction. I expect it to have little affect until after the weekend. People will not have parks or fireworks to go to, but I guarantee they'll ignore the "under 10 people" requirements and all huddle around their back yards in groups of 30 or 40 with no masks.

 
cubd8 said:
What states should they have been listening to? Heading into June, what specific things should they have done differently?

I'm asking because there wasn't a major issue in these states heading into June, right? 

The states you may be suggesting they should have been listening to were having big problems, right?
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Not any particular state, but worldwide one could learn from places like S Korea, etc. and proactively use NPI, ramp up testing/contact tracing resources and prepare hospitals for a predictable surge. This should’ve occurred weeks-months in advance, when the virus was wreaking havoc in China, and certainly by the time Europe was blowing up.

It’s much less effective to start wearing masks and shutting down bars when you’re seeing thousands of new cases a day and ICUs are at 80%+ capacity.

 
Stopped in a WalMart grocery store today for a couple quick items. Was very pleased to see at least 90% mask compliance. Only saw one couple un masked...middle aged white couple.

I soooooo wanted to get into it with him.

 
Even with the inadequate response  here in the U.S., I’m still shocked that we’re over 50,000 new cases for each of the last few days.  How did we F this up so badly?  Rhetorical question.  

27 countries reporting over 1,000 new cases today - a new high.

:sigh: 

 
BassNBrew said:
New York with another 10% increase in new cases.  You would think those people could have learned from themselves
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I don’t like the 918 number or uptick on positive test results - up to 1.38 percent. What I do like is our govt. reacting to it. We have delayed opening up indoor dining in NYC and I am certain Cuomo will take further action as needed rather than bury his head in sand like some governors. 
 

link for numbers - https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-updates-new-yorkers-states-progress-during-covid-19-pandemic-2

 
tri-man 47 said:
Even with the inadequate response  here in the U.S., I’m still shocked that we’re over 50,000 new cases for each of the last few days.  How did we F this up so badly?  Rhetorical question.  

27 countries reporting over 1,000 new cases today - a new high.

:sigh: 
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There’s only 32 countries with 50,000 cases total and we’re doing that daily.

 
The US has a competitive nature to it. College football and college hoops for example.

Maybe we as states should compete for low percent positive rates and low hospitalization rates. Rank us like the Top 20 AP list. Winners get a tax break for 2021.

Fans can trash talk about recent per capitas and who’s rocking masks harder. 

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
The US has a competitive nature to it. College football and college hoops for example.

Maybe we as states should compete for low percent positive rates and low hospitalization rates. Rank us like the Top 20 AP list. Winners get a tax break for 2021.

Fans can trash talk about recent per capitas and who’s rocking masks harder. 
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That would just result in states falsifying data. It would make tracking the problem nearly impossible.

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
The US has a competitive nature to it. College football and college hoops for example.

Maybe we as states should compete for low percent positive rates and low hospitalization rates. Rank us like the Top 20 AP list. Winners get a tax break for 2021.

Fans can trash talk about recent per capitas and who’s rocking masks harder. 
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I've been trash talking for a month now.   :)

But seriously, as long as we aren't bashing other states too hard, I love the idea.  New York and New Jersey better pick up their games, or Connecticut is gonna add them to the quarantine list.

 
DallasDMac said:
That would just result in states falsifying data. It would make tracking the problem nearly impossible.
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This can be solved for. The idea is to fight for a common goal, have some good old American competition along the way, figure out a way to incentivize everyone for winning. You know this virus is a piece of #### and it wouldn’t hurt to have common goals and common integration to make this thing more manageable across the nation. Just a thought.

 
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