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Even the guy who was responsible for how Sweeden reacted to this crisis regrets what he did.
See above. We've butchered this from the start and they're still crushing our death rate. You wish another 45k Americans were dead? Weird narrative.
Some doctors were, in an act of desperation. Much fewer are using it now, when part of a clinical trial, though many of those have stalled.
Overall death count in the US, as of 1 July, per CDC. I decided to do the math, because I haven't seen it reported this way yet. For example, there are roughly 41,080,000 people aged 5-14, and 14 deaths, which figures out to 1 death in every 2.93 million people. At the other end of the spectrum, there are roughly 6,550,000 people over 85, and 37,247 deaths, which figures out to 1 death in every 176 people.
They are an OK example of decreased mitigation efforts, but they don’t compare well to surrounding countries with cultural similarities that have been more restrictive.
I’m only arguing the first part of your second paragraph.
Even if 100, 200, 500K cases a day it will take a while to get 200+ million. The whole world had a little over 200K yesterday.
In the words of Barney Stinson, challenge accepted. I bet we could infect 200M in a few days.
Mathematically, yes. If we got doubling time down to 3 days or so, it would take roughly a month. But the population is so spread out it can’t happen nearly that quickly, and Rt peters out as the threshold for herd immunity is reached.
All we have to do is have another Hands Across America, but this time we can say it's illegal to participate. I bet we get 200M in one day!
First of all, they don’t have herd immunity.
Mrs has to a Friday Mixer couple times a year and it's the worst...you've already seen these people for 40-50+ hours that week, what could you possibly want to talk about over a mixed drink? And you can't indulge too much for fear of blurting out things while you get buzzed.IvanKaramazov said:
What caused the decline in deaths and recent sharp downward decline in new cases?
I don't know, as I haven't been following their trends lately. The last I checked, they were nowhere near the herd immunity threshold though.
Right. I think recent antibody tests showed only 6%. That’s why I think Sweden matters a whole lot. Their data is pointing to either this thing just burns out over time, gets weaker or there is undecected immunity in populations that arrive at herd immunity faster than most thought.
Or there are ebbs and flows in viral spread, corresponding to episodic super spreader events and transitions from urban to rural settings + mitigation efforts, whether government mandated or not.
Both countries bucked the hard-line government mandated true lock downs that other, similar and neighboring countries enacted. Both countries were slow to recognize the crisis and act strongly and decisively. And both are leading their peers in infections, deaths, etc.
The recent opening of US cities is being blamed for massive spikes in cases and driving the fear that the spikes will lead to massive death. Unless the US has some unique form of the virus it seems that other countries experiences, especially one who remained opened, are valuable in reducing panic if they show decreases of cases and death happen over time regardless of different mitigation efforts.
Speaking of vitamin D, for all the changes we've tried to make as a society over this, I don't understand why there was and is very little talk in the media about trying to keep your immune system healthy. Simple stuff, like getting enough sleep, lowering stress, maybe trying to up your vitamin D levels, etc. I mean, it can't hurt, right? Obviously your best bet is to avoid contracting the virus in the first place, but some percentage of people were always going to end up getting infected, and you would think given that they would try to encourage people to do what they could to keep their immune systems working as well as possible.
You are talking about a nation that thinks it's to much effort to wear a mask. Do you really think you could get them to try and enhance an immune system?
I hear what you're saying, but it's not like there aren't other things that we try to educate people on for their own good. Some won't listen (and unfortunately they will probably be disproportionately ignoring other guidance too), but some probably would, and if you're already doing your best to keep yourself from getting exposed, it's certainly more productive than worrying over things that you can't control.
Yes, let's call others names because they can't guess what you really mean.
Yeah I live in a different bubble than jobarules. Everybody that I interact with is taking this pretty seriously.Yes, let's call others names because they can't guess what you really mean.
I tend to take what is written at face value. Write what you mean and this isn't a problem. There are many people concerned and doing the right things.
I wish that bubble were over my state....I wrote on this board at the very beginning of this fiasco that Florida was absolutely going to be a hotspot before this was over. A large portion of the people here don't seem to care at all. I also said once Vegas was open again, Nevada would be right up there. I continue to say that the politicization of wearing a mask is probably THE dumbest political
our country has ever experienced. I feel like it's a dream some days.Same here in Texas. Hospitals are pretty much maxed and medical professionals have been PLEADING with the city to take it seriously. And it had absolutely no effect this weekend at all. I am simply stunned.I wish that bubble were over my state....I wrote on this board at the very beginning of this fiasco that Florida was absolutely going to be a hotspot before this was over. A large portion of the people here don't seem to care at all. I also said once Vegas was open again, Nevada would be right up there. I continue to say that the politicization of wearing a mask is probably THE dumbest political
Yep, but I wonder how something like an outdoor event with a lot of common surfaces (like a sports game) would be
Yeah. Stadium bathrooms are a cesspool of filth when there isn’t a pandemic. And they’re indoors.
I think they messed up the messaging and all the focus seemed to be on the bars and not gatherings in general.
It can’t hurt, but making those recommendations is a bit of witchcraft. For example, there is no medical definition of “stress”, nor ideal amount of sleep. And how does one quantify a healthy immune system? Even vitamin D supplementation is a little controversial.
Majority want to complain about the economic impact of the shutdowns and revolt against them. Then reopenings happen and people can’t control themselves. Thus why shutdowns were needed. People are idiots.
There's no message you could send that these idiots would listen too. We've had weeks of proof that they are basically incapable of rational thought. I blame our Mayor and law enforcement some. They Mayor knows we are chock full of idiots and they pleaded for the Governor to give them the power to enforce individual mask rules. And now that they have it, they are playing the "We want to educate, not fine them" card. i.e. They got the power and now are utterly afraid to use it. So, people continue to do what they want to do, which is gather and forego masks.
Get back to me in a month or so. But clarify your definition of “massive” death first.
Surely matuski’s surgical colleagues aren’t concerned yet? They’re probably planning on opening up a satellite OR in Mexico.
I think the air can get pretty stagnant inside stadiums, and there are many partially enclosed choke points where crowds congregate like entryways, concession stands and restrooms. Plus a lot of drunk, belligerent people.
I haven't had the ability to see one of Matsuki's anecdotal evidence-based posts in quite awhile, so I assure you I have no clue what his thoughts may be.
Basically, none of his physician friends are concerned, hospital staff think masking is a joke and elective OR procedures are more important than containing the virus.
Don’t know what ORs he’s at but I can assure you the one I work in think none of those things. Pretty much just tired of taking care of stupid people.
