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From the CDC:

Everyone Should

Cover your mouth and nose with a cloth face cover when around others

- You could spread COVID-19 to others even if you do not feel sick.

- Everyone should wear a cloth face cover when they have to go out in public, for example to the grocery store or to pick up other necessities.

- Cloth face coverings should not be placed on young children under age 2, anyone who has trouble breathing, or is unconscious, incapacitated or otherwise unable to remove the mask without assistance.

- The cloth face cover is meant to protect other people in case you are infected.

- Do NOT use a facemask meant for a healthcare worker.

- Continue to keep about 6 feet between yourself and others. The cloth face cover is not a substitute for social distancing.

I know this is obvious to everyone. Well, nearly everyone. But I just post it in the hopes that folks will quit feeding the troll who continues to argue his anecdotal arguments ad nauseam despite well published evidence from credible sources to the contrary. It would be nice if we could get the thread back on track rather than letting a small handful of posters continue to derail the thread for their own apparent amusement.

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Looking out at mostly anecdotal sources around the US we seem to be beating back death with convy plasma.  

Whether you think the data is bad or not the death rates at all age levels are coming down sharply.  

That #### might just work.  

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11 minutes ago, pollardsvision said:

Sheriff's near my hometown in NC went ahead and told the public they wouldn't enforce the states mask order that started yesterday.

This is ridiculous. Not because I expect law enforcement to enforce this on a large scale. None are that I know of. My state (VA) has had a mask order for over a month. Despite the screams of tyranny, nobody's getting freaking arrested for not wearing a mask to Home Depot.

It's ridiculous because it's a stupid political stunt to announce it, and it will obviously lead to fewer people wearing mask. 

I wish they woulda left constitutional rights out of this.  Other than that, and openly announcing they will not enforce the mandate, I agree.  Mark my words - a law enforcement officer trying to enforce the mask mandate will end up as a viral video and lose his/her job.  Imagine losing your career trying to tell some moron to wear a mask in a grocery store.

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33 minutes ago, culdeus said:

Looking out at mostly anecdotal sources around the US we seem to be beating back death with convy plasma.  

Whether you think the data is bad or not the death rates at all age levels are coming down sharply.  

That #### might just work.  

There’s a reason deaths are coming down now, and that they will go up very soon.  
 

June 7-9 we had 3 straight days of sub 20k cases in the USA despite the best testing the country had ever done. The virus itself was on the downswing at that time, which is why deaths have been on a continual downswing.  (That appears to have leveled off)

Since then, the virus numbers have started rising and have gone exponential in the last week.

Hospitalizations will be the story starting anytime now. Deaths will be the story in a couple weeks.

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11 minutes ago, TheWinz said:

I wish they woulda left constitutional rights out of this.  Other than that, and openly announcing they will not enforce the mandate, I agree.  Mark my words - a law enforcement officer trying to enforce the mask mandate will end up as a viral video and lose his/her job.  Imagine losing your career trying to tell some moron to wear a mask in a grocery store.

It's one of those things where it's fairly obvious that cops aren't going to enforce this. They just can't on a large scale.

I'm just trying to rack my brain thinking of other times where cops or government employees make it a point to announce what they won't/can't enforce (and there are many of those things). 

Maybe the Sheriff should also put out a statement reminding men that if they get paid in cash and/or switch jobs a lot they can get out of a lot of their child support. And remember fellas, if it comes to it, she's probably not going to throw you in jail because the kids would never forgive her and you can't make money in jail!

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10 minutes ago, pollardsvision said:

It's one of those things where it's fairly obvious that cops aren't going to enforce this. They just can't on a large scale.

I'm just trying to rack my brain thinking of other times where cops or government employees make it a point to announce what they won't/can't enforce (and there are many of those things). 

Maybe the Sheriff should also put out a statement reminding men that if they get paid in cash and/or switch jobs a lot they can get out of a lot of their child support. And remember fellas, if it comes to it, she's probably not going to throw you in jail because the kids would never forgive her and you can't make money in jail!

Have you forgotten about sanctuary cities? 

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3 minutes ago, VT700GUY said:

 

Have you forgotten about sanctuary cities? 

You're right. That is an example. I'd say it's very different, and not really applicable, but that probably would get more into politics than this thread was intended. 

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1 hour ago, culdeus said:

Looking out at mostly anecdotal sources around the US we seem to be beating back death with convy plasma.  

Whether you think the data is bad or not the death rates at all age levels are coming down sharply.  

That #### might just work.  

San Antonio has been pleading for those with anti-bodies to donate.They just can't get enough. The fact that folks working at the donation centers have had some positive cases probably doesn't help the cause. I'm fairly certain that lack of overall donations is one of the reasons they stopped elective surgeries also. There simply isn't enough stock on hand right now for surgeries that can safely be delayed.

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I'm not sure I get the point of community meetings on masks either. I'm mean, sure, it's comical, but I'm not sure the purpose it serves.

If the local/state officials think the mask order makes sense, do it. We all know it's not an enforcement issue, but a convincing issue. You ask people to follow it. Enforce however you can, but knowing it's impossible on a large scale. Some just aren't going to do it. Universal adoption is unattainable, but you do it so that a whole bunch more people will wear them.

So, I don't see the point of a community discussion. If you don't want to wear a mask, don't. If a business refuses service, that's on them. However much the city wants to pressure businesses to enforce is on the city.

 

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Highlighting Nevada for discussion.  Rt Live has them with the highest transmission rate for the last 14 days.  Let's look at the overall numbers on Worldometer.

Population - 3,080,151 (#32)
Cases - 15,240 (#33)
Cases per million  - 4,948 (#31)
Deaths - 498 (#32)
Deaths per million - 162 (#26)
Tests - 297,635 (#31)
Tests per million - 96,630 (#19)

According to another website, https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/ there are currently 13 states that are worse off in the last 14 days as far as case increase goes.  Anyone from Nevada care to chime in?
 

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3 minutes ago, TheWinz said:

Highlighting Nevada for discussion.  Rt Live has them with the highest transmission rate for the last 14 days.  Let's look at the overall numbers on Worldometer.

Population - 3,080,151 (#32)
Cases - 15,240 (#33)
Cases per million  - 4,948 (#31)
Deaths - 498 (#32)
Deaths per million - 162 (#26)
Tests - 297,635 (#31)
Tests per million - 96,630 (#19)

According to another website, https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/ there are currently 13 states that are worse off in the last 14 days as far as case increase goes.  Anyone from Nevada care to chime in?
 

When did casinos reopen 

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44 minutes ago, shader said:

There’s a reason deaths are coming down now, and that they will go up very soon.  
 

June 7-9 we had 3 straight days of sub 20k cases in the USA despite the best testing the country had ever done. The virus itself was on the downswing at that time, which is why deaths have been on a continual downswing.  (That appears to have leveled off)

Since then, the virus numbers have started rising and have gone exponential in the last week.

Hospitalizations will be the story starting anytime now. Deaths will be the story in a couple weeks.

Maybe. 

The problem here is we don't really know how many cases there were weeks ago. With increased testing you get more cases. The news outlets are doing a poor job of sharing relevant data. 

I'm going to have a great time next school year in my AP Statistics class sharing all the crazy examples of horribly biased forms of data collection. I continue to be surprised that there isn't someone out there collecting RANDOM samples from our population. I guess it's more proof that doing statistically sound data collection isn't profitable enough for anyone to bother.  I like to think somewhere Edward R. Murrow is nodding in agreement with me. Profit centered news outlets benefit only themselves. 

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Miami closing beaches for the 4th? Glad I live in the panhandle and own a boat. If they shut down the ramps, there better be heavily armed guards. 
 

somehow I hid a post. Not sure how that works. 

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51 minutes ago, shader said:

There’s a reason deaths are coming down now, and that they will go up very soon.  

June 7-9 we had 3 straight days of sub 20k cases in the USA despite the best testing the country had ever done. The virus itself was on the downswing at that time, which is why deaths have been on a continual downswing.  (That appears to have leveled off)

Since then, the virus numbers have started rising and have gone exponential in the last week.

Hospitalizations will be the story starting anytime now. Deaths will be the story in a couple weeks.

It wouldn't be a regular day in this thread without https://imgur.com/t/debbie/oxVNo6z

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3 minutes ago, TheWinz said:

It wouldn't be a regular day in this thread without https://imgur.com/t/debbie/oxVNo6z

Those of us without blinders on have been called “negative” and “downers” for four months.

Im quick to point out good news.  The NE right now is great news.  Hats off to them.

There is no good news in the south. People need to stop trying to find positives in the situations of Florida and Texas, because there are none. 
 

The only solutions are to lock those areas down again, and then mandate masks when they reopen. Reality isn’t positive or negative. 

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9 minutes ago, Hooper31 said:

Maybe. 

The problem here is we don't really know how many cases there were weeks ago. With increased testing you get more cases. The news outlets are doing a poor job of sharing relevant data. 

I'm going to have a great time next school year in my AP Statistics class sharing all the crazy examples of horribly biased forms of data collection. I continue to be surprised that there isn't someone out there collecting RANDOM samples from our population. I guess it's more proof that doing statistically sound data collection isn't profitable enough for anyone to bother.  I like to think somewhere Edward R. Murrow is nodding in agreement with me. Profit centered news outlets benefit only themselves. 

You’re trying to turn this solely into an AP statistics problem.  But it’s not.  It’s a rapidly spreading virus. It’s proven to be extremely contagious. 
 

When an area like Florida has a % positive in the 5% range and it spikes to 15%, that’s bad.  Yes there is increased testing, but the positivity rate accounts for that.

For the purposes of figuring out how widespread the virus was in a specific area (after the outbreak), yes random antibody testing needs to be done, and it has been done in many places all over the world.

But that’s not necessary for Florida and Texas.  We don’t need more data. The virus is spreading quickly.  End of discussion.  The solution to a rapidly spreading virus is crystal clear.  Quarantines and lockdowns.

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3 hours ago, TheWinz said:

I don't feel like going through this entire thread.  Has any FBGer tested positive?  Not a friend or relative, but you?  If so, can you share your experience?

I know of one. He kinda quit this place - although I am sure he will be back at some point. Was texting with him yesterday - and I didn't know at the time that he had it. Here is what he said about the experience

Wasn't bad. Like four days of a cold, body aches, headache, fever but nothing above 101 mostly. Worst part was the fear that I'd wake up the next day not able to breath but luckily it passed and i seem t be completely fine

Scary though

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Aren't the current strains floating around much weaker than what swept through in the 1st quarter? Is that not why some places are seeing spikes in positive tests (along with dramatically increased testing) while seeing death rates declining? Not ruling out the doom and gloom folks' death spike predictions in the "NEXT 2 WEEKS!", but I am offering up a scenario where the predicted death surge doesn't correlate to the surge in positive tests.

Also, just wear a mask people. It's literally worked everywhere on the globe that they tried it.

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Just now, Mr Anonymous said:

Aren't the current strains floating around much weaker than what swept through in the 1st quarter? Is that not why some places are seeing spikes in positive tests (along with dramatically increased testing) while seeing death rates declining? Not ruling out the doom and gloom folks' death spike predictions in the "NEXT 2 WEEKS!", but I am offering up a scenario where the predicted death surge doesn't correlate to the surge in positive tests.

Also, just wear a mask people. It's literally worked everywhere on the globe that they tried it.

It can't be ruled out. We just don't know right now.

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12 minutes ago, shader said:

Those of us without blinders on have been called “negative” and “downers” for four months.

Im quick to point out good news.  The NE right now is great news.  Hats off to them.

There is no good news in the south. People need to stop trying to find positives in the situations of Florida and Texas, because there are none. 
 

The only solutions are to lock those areas down again, and then mandate masks when they reopen. Reality isn’t positive or negative. 

As I said yesterday, we need you in here.  Life isn't always a box of puppies. 

Did I mention Connecticut is whaling on this thing? 

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4 minutes ago, jobarules said:

It can't be ruled out. We just don't know right now.

Yep, that's where I'm at, it could go either way. I wanted to add another possible future outcome since @shader is in here making definitive conclusions again without accounting for new factors.

ETA: If I've heard correctly, major strides have been made on the treatment side. So that's two possible factors why any surge in cases won't necessarily correlate to a surge in deaths (improved treatment and weakened strain).

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Am i reading things wrong, or did @matuski concede  a point earlier?

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Just now, Mr Anonymous said:

Yep, that's where I'm at, it could go either way. I wanted to add another possible future outcome since @shader is in here making definitive conclusions again without accounting for new factors.

The other factor to consider is demographics - if more young people are infected, the # of fatalities will be lower.

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1 minute ago, Mr Anonymous said:

Yep, that's where I'm at, it could go either way. I wanted to add another possible future outcome since @shader is in here making definitive conclusions again without accounting for new factors.

I was thinking more about this last night. Do these things usually mutate stronger or weaker. A great argument for weaker is something I read, maybe here, that a virus wants to live (not in thought) and mutates weaker so as not to kill it's host. Kinda makes sense.

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12 hours ago, renesauz said:

Just read an article talking about Sherrifs in rural towns in Northwest openly defying masking orders. Considering it a constitutional violation for the government to require them.

 

 

REALLY? How f#$%$&#@ stupid is THAT!?

 

I can see arguments against taking some of the measures, but to frame that argument around rights is just assinine IMHO. A simple frigging mask is not some infringement on your rights as it helps protect OTHERS FROM YOU, friggin morons

You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the New West.

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1 minute ago, jamny said:

I was thinking more about this last night. Do these things usually mutate stronger or weaker. A great argument for weaker is something I read, maybe here, that a virus wants to live (not in thought) and mutates weaker so as not to kill it's host. Kinda makes sense.

Everything I've seen says that it's weaker now than it was in the winter/early spring and also that these viruses typically do weaken over time.

Maybe this one will prove to be a monster that deviates from the norm, but the possibility it's a weaker strain needs to be considered and I don't see much discussion or accounting for that here lately. We can only hope.

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5 minutes ago, jamny said:

I was thinking more about this last night. Do these things usually mutate stronger or weaker. A great argument for weaker is something I read, maybe here, that a virus wants to live (not in thought) and mutates weaker so as not to kill it's host. Kinda makes sense.

I watched the movie Evolution yesterday, and it reminded me of a few things:

1) Randy Hickey was monstrous in 2001
2) I don't have a thing for redheads, but Julianne Moore is hot
3) You gotta use your Head and your Shoulders to defeat this thing

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11 hours ago, eoMMan said:

How am I wearing it wrong if it's covering my mouth and nose? It's really not that complicated. 

Sure, social distance and hand washing is extremely important. But we're not talking about them....we are discussing masks.

You're not really giving legitimate arguments against wearing masks. 

Try again please.

By saying "you're wearing it wrong" , he showed that he still doesn't understand the purpose of the general population wearing masks... he's mistakenly using a argument about wearing PPE such as N95 masks.

I'm not sure how many times it has to be repeated, but wearing a mask is to protect other people from you, not vice versa.

You need the other person to wear a mask so they in turn protect you.

It's symbiotic.

Or it would be symbiotic if everyone wore masks to protect each other.

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1 hour ago, VT700GUY said:
1 hour ago, pollardsvision said:

It's one of those things where it's fairly obvious that cops aren't going to enforce this. They just can't on a large scale.

I'm just trying to rack my brain thinking of other times where cops or government employees make it a point to announce what they won't/can't enforce (and there are many of those things). 

Maybe the Sheriff should also put out a statement reminding men that if they get paid in cash and/or switch jobs a lot they can get out of a lot of their child support. And remember fellas, if it comes to it, she's probably not going to throw you in jail because the kids would never forgive her and you can't make money in jail!

Have you forgotten about sanctuary cities? 

What do sanctuary cities have to do with what pollardsvision said?  Sanctuary cities are cities that refuse to do the federal government's job for them.  That's very different.

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10 hours ago, Doug B said:

This only applies to medical-setting masks that (a) require fit testing and (b)that are strictly intended for self-protection from airborne pathogens.

Source-control face coverings for the general public in non-medical settings don’t have nearly the same specific requirements. No argument regarding maintenance of social distance and hand-washing — source-control face coverings function alongside those measures and not in place of them.

I should have gone to the next page first and I would have seen your reply.

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12 hours ago, the moops said:

So...can I lighten the mood a bit? Anyone else taking to the trying to figure out who is the cutest female/male/whatever your attraction is underneath the mask? Find myself looking at eyes and necks and posture and other things. It's a new world and I am curious. Maybe I get the face covering tantalization aspect of muslim culture

yeah, amused me a couple weeks ago, a young woman on tv's mask started sliding down to ....almost reveal her nose....and it was exciting

like a sundress strap slipping off a bare shoulder.  it does get your attention.

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2 hours ago, DallasDMac said:

From the CDC:

Everyone Should

Cover your mouth and nose with a cloth face cover when around others

- You could spread COVID-19 to others even if you do not feel sick.

- Everyone should wear a cloth face cover when they have to go out in public, for example to the grocery store or to pick up other necessities.

- Cloth face coverings should not be placed on young children under age 2, anyone who has trouble breathing, or is unconscious, incapacitated or otherwise unable to remove the mask without assistance.

- The cloth face cover is meant to protect other people in case you are infected.

- Do NOT use a facemask meant for a healthcare worker.

- Continue to keep about 6 feet between yourself and others. The cloth face cover is not a substitute for social distancing.

I know this is obvious to everyone. Well, nearly everyone. But I just post it in the hopes that folks will quit feeding the troll who continues to argue his anecdotal arguments ad nauseam despite well published evidence from credible sources to the contrary. It would be nice if we could get the thread back on track rather than letting a small handful of posters continue to derail the thread for their own apparent amusement.

Thanks.

Why are you saying do not use a facemask meant for a healthcare worker?  I am guessing this is due to supply? 

I am a healthcare worker. I am wearing two masks at work. The first mask I put on is an N95 knock off. My second mask is to help protect the first mask. I have three  N95 masks and I am told to rotate these three masks and throw away the second mask at end of day. I have been keeping my second mask, putting it on my dash to kill any virus. It was 110 here yesterday and much hotter in my car. I then use those masks for public use. I did have a cloth mask that a friend made for me put the pipe cleaner came out of the nose area so it does not work that well now.

Yesterday I did put the clothe mask on, gator over that, baseball hat, large sunglasses. Mostly because I thought I looked cool. I need to find a spiderman gator to really pull this look off.

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30 minutes ago, TheWinz said:

As I said yesterday, we need you in here.  Life isn't always a box of puppies. 

Did I mention Connecticut is whaling on this thing? 

My brother in Ct called me in Az and was talking poop.

It does sound like Ct is doing well. Don't get to cocky though. This may be a marathon

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8 minutes ago, prosopis said:

Why are you saying do not use a facemask meant for a healthcare worker?  I am guessing this is due to supply? 

He isn't saying it.  He is quoting the CDC.  And yes, it is 100% due to supply.

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26 minutes ago, shader said:

You’re trying to turn this solely into an AP statistics problem.  But it’s not.  It’s a rapidly spreading virus. It’s proven to be extremely contagious. 
 

When an area like Florida has a % positive in the 5% range and it spikes to 15%, that’s bad.  Yes there is increased testing, but the positivity rate accounts for that.

For the purposes of figuring out how widespread the virus was in a specific area (after the outbreak), yes random antibody testing needs to be done, and it has been done in many places all over the world.

But that’s not necessary for Florida and Texas.  We don’t need more data. The virus is spreading quickly.  End of discussion.  The solution to a rapidly spreading virus is crystal clear.  Quarantines and lockdowns.

It's a problem. We shouldn't be ignoring it, or exacerbating it. We should be doing our best to collect relevant data. That's not happening. I would not choose to draw such definitive conclusions based on what we know. 

LInk to the Johns-Hopkins data. 
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

There's only one graph that I look at each day on that linked page. It's the Daily Deaths. In my mind it's the only objective data we have to go on. When you hear about "increases" in cases that's relative to the number being tested. Most news outlets aren't sharing that number **. If we were talking about a percent of randomly selected people being tested we might have some data worth discussion, but for now we're dealing with several forms of statistical bias. Who is volunteering to be tested? And what motivation exists for them that may not have a couple of months ago? Again, bias data. However, the death count isn't so subjective. You can make arguments about who is or isn't being counted as an official Covid death, but unless you subscribe to a nationwide conspiracy among doctors it's the best we have. 

The deaths are steadily dropping. Will we see an increase in death count in a week? If so, it would seem there was a legitimate increase in the number of true cases (whether tested or not). We'll see. This is the discussion I would be having each day if I were the president. I think the president has tried to take the conversation in this direction, but he's done a poor job if it.  Disclosure: I'm generally a fairly liberal guy. 

Note: The sinusoidal nature of that deaths graph is due to some states not reporting deaths over the weekends. They get lumped into Tuesday and Wednesday each week causing what looks like a dampened sine curve. It's best to click on the button for the 7-day average so you're comparing each day to the one 7 days previous. 

 

** Another problem. In comparing the percentage of cases to the death counts I've noticed some really screwy data. I live in Washington state. My buddy an I were comparing our counties. 

Spokane (him)   1,167  cases      39 deaths        533 active cases  21,868 total tests (5.3% positive tests)
Whatcom (me)   588 cases       40 deaths       548 active cases   16,563 total tests (3.5% positive tests)

Spokane is showing about a 3% death rate in their cases. 

Whatcom is showing about a 7% death rate in their cases. 

Again, the data we're collecting is inconsistent. It should be systematically collected and normed for things like age and population density, but it's not. Making broad sweeping decisions based on poor data and paranoia is folly. 

 

Am I trying to make this into an AP Statistics problem? Well, yeah. Isn't that the intelligent educated thing to do? Why would anyone argue against that? Isn't the alternative making emotional charged guesses? How is that better?

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said:

Everything I've seen says that it's weaker now than it was in the winter/early spring and also that these viruses typically do weaken over time.

Maybe this one will prove to be a monster that deviates from the norm, but the possibility it's a weaker strain needs to be considered and I don't see much discussion or accounting for that here lately. We can only hope.

Have read the same and have similar hopes.

Here's a thought...the battle of Covid vs. "Florida Man" could be a hell of a fight given how equally matched they are:

  • Both are best avoided for as long as possible, even while we all recognize that eventual contact is probably inevitable
  • They each get alot of news coverage
  • Both are deadly on their own
  • Neither are sentient 
  • At least one appears to be mutating weaker (jury still out on Covid, but we can hope)

Anyway, just my POV and  am sure there are many more similar comparisons between the two.

 

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6 minutes ago, prosopis said:

My brother in Ct called me in Az and was talking poop.

It does sound like Ct is doing well. Don't get to cocky though. This may be a marathon

Yeah, I am like the pace-setter in a mile race.  You know, the guy who leads the pack for 3 laps, then falls on the infield grass, completely out of breath.  Or maybe I am Steve Prefontaine, who always seemed to lead from start to finish.

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12 hours ago, eoMMan said:

Go on...

Every argument I've heard against them are pretty silly, imo...such as...."they are uncomfortable", "I can't hear people when they have one on", "they make me look like a wussie and I ain't no wussie!", etc.

What are the legitimate arguments against masks?

Got this one from a nurse.....people reuse their masks and put them on backwards so they end up pushing the accumulated versus load the other direction onto other people.

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33 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said:

Everything I've seen says that it's weaker now than it was in the winter/early spring and also that these viruses typically do weaken over time.

Maybe this one will prove to be a monster that deviates from the norm, but the possibility it's a weaker strain needs to be considered and I don't see much discussion or accounting for that here lately. We can only hope.

Mortality rate by age group, tracked over time, could give some evidence for the virus weakening or not. But other factors could be confounders, such as number of underlying health conditions. Treatment has also improved over time.

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My first airplane trips since before the Covid.  I’m sitting at sky harbor right now waiting to fly back to Minnesota.

airports are completely empty, on Delta plane was only half full. People at the airport are almost all wearing masks. I honestly feel more comfortable at a wide-open airport that I do a crowded grocery store were half the people don’t wear a mask.
 

Honestly, if you’re not a high-risk individual now is a phenomenal time to travel. Especially if your Destiination has a lot to do outdoors.

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10 hours ago, matuski said:

 I even find it little trouble to keep my distance in grocery stores

Me neither.  Some of those ninnies jump out of your way when the see you without a mask on. 

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31 minutes ago, BassNBrew said:

Got this one from a nurse.....people reuse their masks and put them on backwards so they end up pushing the accumulated versus load the other direction onto other people.

Still better than coughing or sneezing without one/covering your mouth.

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17 minutes ago, mr roboto said:

My first airplane trips since before the Covid.  I’m sitting at sky harbor right now waiting to fly back to Minnesota.

airports are completely empty, on Delta plane was only half full. People at the airport are almost all wearing masks. I honestly feel more comfortable at a wide-open airport that I do a crowded grocery store were half the people don’t wear a mask.
 

Honestly, if you’re not a high-risk individual now is a phenomenal time to travel. Especially if your Destiination has a lot to do outdoors.

We flew 3 weeks ago and LaGuardia was packed and the plane was full, even middle seats in coach.. (American doesn't leave them blocked like Delta does.) DFW was not crowded but I wouldn't say empty either. We were flying first but waited until everyone boarded so we didn't have to sit there while everyone passed by us. Again, Delta doing it right as they board rear to front. We flying next weekend again, thankfully on Delta this time, going through Minneapolis.

Flying is not fun right now and I wouldn't do it if it wasn't necessary.

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11 minutes ago, jamny said:

We flew 3 weeks ago and LaGuardia was packed and the plane was full, even middle seats in coach.. (American doesn't leave them blocked like Delta does.) DFW was not crowded but I wouldn't say empty either. We were flying first but waited until everyone boarded so we didn't have to sit there while everyone passed by us. Again, Delta doing it right as they board rear to front. We flying next weekend again, thankfully on Delta this time, going through Minneapolis.

Flying is not fun right now and I wouldn't do it if it wasn't necessary.

Maybe my experience is better because of Delta?  This has been the easiest trip I’ve taken in years. 

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1 hour ago, Mr Anonymous said:

Yep, that's where I'm at, it could go either way. I wanted to add another possible future outcome since @shader is in here making definitive conclusions again without accounting for new factors.

ETA: If I've heard correctly, major strides have been made on the treatment side. So that's two possible factors why any surge in cases won't necessarily correlate to a surge in deaths (improved treatment and weakened strain).

I think there are reasons to be hopeful that the death rate will be lower moving forward. Treatments definitely seem to be improving outcomes. And numbers increasing more in younger folks rather than in older folks as much will hopefully mean that older folks are staying more isolated and so death rates will fall because of that. NY, NJ, and CT had such a high death rate partially because of how much it ran rampant through nursing homes. If we’re doing a better job of protecting that population, that should go a long way towards improving things.

None of that is to say that unnecessary deaths won’t happen or that folks are ok to ignore distancing, mask wearing etc, but I think there IS reason to be hopeful that we won’t have exponential increases in deaths.

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3 minutes ago, mr roboto said:

Maybe my experience is better because of Delta?  This has been the easiest trip I’ve taken in years. 

Delta is definitely doing a better job. Starting off in the old LaGuardia isn't a great way to begin a trip although we came back through the new terminal and it looks incredible! A lot has to do with my own cleanliness concerns. Everything just seems germy. And sitting with a mask on all flight with no service sucks.

After 9/11 was an amazing time to fly!

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This thread is the internet version of groundhog day. 

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39 minutes ago, tonydead said:

Me neither.  Some of those ninnies jump out of your way when the see you without a mask on. 

"Ninnies"?  For wearing a mask?

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