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2 minutes ago, TheWinz said:

Someone name a random state that has gotten almost no attention during this epidemic.  Doesn't matter if it's a hard hit state or not - just one with very little news coverage.

Wyoming

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I'll say it again: the controversy surrounding HCQ was the most ridiculous farce in all of this Covid mess. 

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Regarding the HCQ study, before we start the mud-slinging, it’s probably best to give it a few days to let the experts weigh in.

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext
 

It’s already been pointed out (in a table in the linked study) that the median age of those treated with HCQ was 54.  The median age of those that didn’t get treated was 71.

Thats a massive difference and by itself could easily account for the mortality differences in the two groups.

 

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seems a bunch of posts re. N v S were deleted, including one of my rants

 

 

probably for the best

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10 hours ago, Pip's Invitation said:

In other words, the United States of Canada/Jesusland map that was created in 2004

 

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Self edit as seems I was too close to the political line

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8 minutes ago, shader said:

Regarding the HCQ study, before we start the mud-slinging, it’s probably best to give it a few days to let the experts weigh in.

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext
 

It’s already been pointed out (in a table in the linked study) that the median age of those treated with HCQ was 54.  The median age of those that didn’t get treated was 71.

Thats a massive difference and by itself could easily account for the mortality differences in the two groups.

 

Retrospective studies are notorious for not holding up with RCT.  Wouldn't put any stock in it.  

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14 minutes ago, shader said:

Regarding the HCQ study, before we start the mud-slinging, it’s probably best to give it a few days to let the experts weigh in.

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext
 

It’s already been pointed out (in a table in the linked study) that the median age of those treated with HCQ was 54.  The median age of those that didn’t get treated was 71.

Thats a massive difference and by itself could easily account for the mortality differences in the two groups.

 

Good lord. Yeah that’s quite a big difference. Who paid for this study?

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Putting this here for posterity.  Wild ### guess here as why the case load is not creating piles of bodies.  

Something has happened, the virus is far more contagious but far less deadly than when it hit NYC and Italy.  It's as if once it circulates somewhere it self weakens.   Herd immunity may not be so much immunity altogether but immunity from symptoms and is happening sooner than anyone thought.  Maybe at even 20-30% of population 

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Not sure what's been happening the last couple pages, but are we now pretending my state isn't jam packed with "northerners" from NY/NJ?  I'm not really sure we want to go down that path do we?  What a weird tangent to take :lol: 

That said, the politicians here in Florida are melting under the spotlight at this point.  They did a ton of positive groundwork to prep and have absolutely crapped the bed in execution.  The only thing they HAVEN'T done that NY did do was send sick people back to nursing homes causing many more deaths.  

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7 minutes ago, culdeus said:

Putting this here for posterity.  Wild ### guess here as why the case load is not creating piles of bodies.  

Something has happened, the virus is far more contagious but far less deadly than when it hit NYC and Italy.  It's as if once it circulates somewhere it self weakens.   Herd immunity may not be so much immunity altogether but immunity from symptoms and is happening sooner than anyone thought.  Maybe at even 20-30% of population 

Or because it takes 3-4 weeks for them to turn into deaths? 
 

I mean I hope you’re right but there has been literally 0 evidence to support this. 

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2 hours ago, [icon] said:

Just left after a week and a half in Bradenton/Tampa area. NOBODY was wearing masks. Staff who were forced to would have them on their chin.

It was all a joke. Got looked at like I had two heads when I would walk into the rifle range or a restaurant with a mask on. 

Here on the Treasure Coast, quite a few people still wear them, but it's not a certainty. It's super easy to do, but people go nuts over it for some reason. Yes it's hot, it's July in Florida. Deal with it, and remember that you probably have at risk family members that could at least use the courtesy.

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16 minutes ago, CR69 said:

Or because it takes 3-4 weeks for them to turn into deaths? 
 

I mean I hope you’re right but there has been literally 0 evidence to support this. 

Correct. We should prep as if this virus will do what’s it’s done everywhere across the world, because that’s what this virus does. Assuming/hoping that it will suddenly “self-weaken” doesn’t seem logical.  It would be nice, of course, but based on what we’ve seen everywhere on the planet, that’s not what is going to happen.

 

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24 minutes ago, CR69 said:

Or because it takes 3-4 weeks for them to turn into deaths? 
 

I mean I hope you’re right but there has been literally 0 evidence to support this. 

Or maybe as likely the vulnerable populations are still taking this seriously but the younger ones aren't. Thus deaths aren't really increasing even though cares are rising.

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4 minutes ago, rascal said:

Wyoming

Good choice!

Population - 578,757
Positives - 1,550
Deaths - 20
Tests - 47,932

Wyoming didn't have it's first day of positive cases over 20 until June 8th.  Since then, they have averaged 20 cases per day.  I know the numbers look tiny, but Wyoming is the least populous state.  On the bright side, they haven't recorded a death in over 2 weeks.

Also, it's very important to note - any person who fails to close a fence in Wyoming is subject to a fine of up to seven hundred and fifty dollars.

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1 hour ago, renesauz said:

seems a bunch of posts re. N v S were deleted, including one of my rants

 

 

probably for the best

Definitely was for me as I was worried I would be banned for posting it. It was an emotionally driven spur of the moment response. I appreciate that the mods simply deleted it rather than deleting me. 

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25 minutes ago, the moops said:

Or maybe as likely the vulnerable populations are still taking this seriously but the younger ones aren't. Thus deaths aren't really increasing even though cares are rising.

First signs that deaths are increasing will come from states where cases are increasing. Florida seems to have reversed their decline and is on the rise again.  Texas and Arizona also seem to be on the start of an increase.

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46 minutes ago, The Commish said:

Not sure what's been happening the last couple pages, but are we now pretending my state isn't jam packed with "northerners" from NY/NJ?  I'm not really sure we want to go down that path do we?  What a weird tangent to take :lol: 

That said, the politicians here in Florida are melting under the spotlight at this point.  They did a ton of positive groundwork to prep and have absolutely crapped the bed in execution.  The only thing they HAVEN'T done that NY did do was send sick people back to nursing homes causing many more deaths.  

The reason they did it was hospitals didn’t have room for all but sickest (they won’t admit it was a mistake or necessity but it was). I hope things don’t get so bad that hospitals are crushed to that level in the south.  Though I worry about it. 

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35 minutes ago, Kal El said:

Here on the Treasure Coast, quite a few people still wear them, but it's not a certainty. It's super easy to do, but people go nuts over it for some reason. Yes it's hot, it's July in Florida. Deal with it, and remember that you probably have at risk family members that could at least use the courtesy.

Same here in New Orleans. Still, local mask usage is steadily increasing after cratering a bit for the first half of May.

You're not supposed to be hanging out in the heat all day, in a crowd, with your face covering on, anyway. Drive to where you're going sans face covering in your nice air-conditioned vehicle. Put on your face covering before exiting, then spend 30 seconds walking to the entrance, and enjoy the cool A/C indoors while wearing your mask.

No one is asking anyone to trek through Jumanji double-time in heat/humidity, for hours at a time, while wearing a tight welt-raising N95. Practicing for an Ironman triathlon in 95o heat? Yeah, you can ditch the face covering.

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Florida - 9,488 positive cases, along with: +341 Hospitalizations, +67 Deaths

Hospitalizations beginning to spike

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8 minutes ago, Redwes25 said:

The reason they did it was hospitals didn’t have room for all but sickest (they won’t admit it was a mistake or necessity but it was). I hope things don’t get so bad that hospitals are crushed to that level in the south.  Though I worry about it. 

Best thing the south has going for it is that there are some taking precautions, it’s not as dense as NYC, and so cases won’t be rising as quickly as they did in NYC. 

On the flip side, New York reached the point where they shut everything down, whihc immediately halted the exponential growth. No one seems to be even considering that right now.  I’m hopeful a groundswell of caution from everyone will keep it from getting too bad. We will see.

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2 minutes ago, shader said:

Best thing the south has going for it is that there are some taking precautions, it’s not as dense as NYC, and so cases won’t be rising as quickly as they did in NYC. 

On the flip side, New York reached the point where the shut everything down, which no one seems to be even considering now.  I’m hopeful a groundswell of caution can keep it from getting too bad. We will see.

Last night, Texas was down to 13% ICU bed availability. If we can't turn it around quickly, things are going to get REALLY ugly. Closing all city and county parks for the weekend, while painful, was a great call. We learned well from what happened 14 days to the day after Memorial Day Weekend ended. Easily trackable exponential trend in positive cases.

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When the state of NY was at the peak, how many cases were they getting each day? What was their record number?

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1 minute ago, eoMMan said:

When the state of NY was at the peak, how many cases were they getting each day? What was their record number?

Around 11k, but those numbers were surely lower than they would have been  if we had enough tests (although the same may be true in FL/AZ right now)

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1 minute ago, eoMMan said:

When the state of NY was at the peak, how many cases were they getting each day? What was their record number?

It’s difficult to say, because at that point testing was in terrible shape.  

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1 hour ago, culdeus said:

Putting this here for posterity.  Wild ### guess here as why the case load is not creating piles of bodies.  

Something has happened, the virus is far more contagious but far less deadly than when it hit NYC and Italy.  It's as if once it circulates somewhere it self weakens.   Herd immunity may not be so much immunity altogether but immunity from symptoms and is happening sooner than anyone thought.  Maybe at even 20-30% of population 

I follow one of the Italian doctors who hypothesized an adapting/weaker virus in Italy several weeks ago. He posted an update a few hours ago. Translated from Italian so kind of rough. He seems to latch onto the belief that there is perhaps more undetected immunity in their population. 

 

Prof. Matteo Bassetti- Infettivologo

@Prof.MatteoBassetti  · Scientist

 

Since the opening of the lockdown despite some catastrophists ′′ waiting on the river ′′ or ′′ you'll see in 15 days that we'll be over ", we've witnessed a progressive decrease in clinical cases and Covid-19. numbers. This is happened rather quickly, faster than expectations.

Especially in Liguria, one of the most affected regions by the Covid-19 emergency, by a peak of 178 hospitalized in ICU we are at 3 (and all dating back to longtime Covid-19 sick) , from a peak hospitalized of 1320 we are at 44, it's been 5 days that we have been at 0 deaths and positive swabs (attention not sick but only feedback of positivity on the buffer) we are at 2 ; practically the disease seems to have died since the period of ′′ infectious ′′ of the disease, at most lasts about 1 month.

It seems to me an absolutely positive and comforting fact because we are more than two months away from opening after the lockdown and we practically don't see the pathology from Covid anymore, but only positivity to the buffer in asymptomatic or not symptomatic subjects.

Similar data come from almost every other Italian region where total hospital hospitals are under 100. units and those in ICU less than 100.

But more than taking note of these (fortunately) encouraging and objective given the question everyone asks is WHY?

How come the clinical disease is practically (at least in Liguria and Northern Italy where the virus hit hard) CLINICALLY GONE?

Various hypotheses have been in recent weeks, all suggestive waiting to be tried in the laboratory: the virus has changed in a lighter form?, has the viral load decreased? Has the virus adapted to the host? Is the virus deactivated by heat and ultraviolet? We'll see...

Today is a very interesting study of the Karolinska Institute and Karolinska University Hospital in Stockholm, Sweden and of which we attach the link (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.29.174888v1) that could explain why despite the ′′ motides ′′ and the almost total opening continue to decrease the cases in particularly affected areas like ours... the answer would be because most of us have immunity that is difficult to detect.... a much greater immunity than that detected by serological tests that have the big limit of low sensitivity Good morning. The study that is a new research shows that many Covid-19 sick people in a mild or asymptomatic way - and therefore have not, in many cases, never realized that they have contracted the disease - have developed the so-called ′′ immunity ′′ SARS-CoV-2 mediated T-cells, although they do not test positive for antibodies in serological tests. According to researchers, in other words, this means that probably more people in the population have developed immunity to SARS-CoV-2 than suggested by antibody tests.

This research might also explain why some people who have fallen ill with Covid-19 are not positive for serological tests, focusing on another part of the immune system's response to the disease. I mean by extrapolating the message of work, the fact that the virus is much more harmless comes from a high percentage of immunes that do not allow the virus to replicate.

Serological tests have been tested on very serious patients, with viral loads and their respective high antibody responses and therefore the sensitivity of the test (meaning the ability of a test to properly identify the subject affected by the disease) of approximately 80 % Good morning. She has probably been overestimated and not by little; therefore the real immune are many more.

This original work could therefore represent a ′′ scientific ′′ explanation and not just hypothetical and deductive of the current benign clinical behavior of the pandemic. Obviously if this is confirmed by other studies, the pandemic ′′ could have less arrows in its bow ". Let's hope so

 

 

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CDC has been posting weekly updates of deaths by age.  I've posted many in here, and here is the most recent one, dated 1 Jul

Under 1 = 9 deaths = .008%
1 - 4 = 6 deaths = 0.005%
5 - 14 = 14 deaths = 0.012%
15 - 24 = 142 deaths = 0.127%
25 - 34 = 770 deaths = 0.686%
35 - 44 = 1972 deaths = 1.757%
45 - 54 = 5488 deaths = 4.890%
55 - 64 = 13465 deaths = 11.998%
65 - 74 = 23333 deaths = 20.791%
75 - 84 = 29780 deaths = 26.536%
85 and over = 37, 247 deaths = 33.189%

A major reason the death tolls aren't rising with the spikes in cases.  What we don't really have a good grasp on is how many of these young folks are ending up hospitalized.  If they can self-heal from home after being diagnosed, hospitals may be able to hang in there.

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Arizona hospitals looking bad. COVID ER visits spiked to 1800 yesterday, 500 more than the previous high yesterday. Highs in acute and ICU COVID cases and overall ICU up to 91%. 4430 new cases continuing to run at about 25% positive.

Some are questioning the huge ER spike and I hope their right. I’m not sure how the determine COVID ER visits, if it’s people who test positive or just people coming to the ER with COVID concerns. One possibility is due to the backup at testing sites that they’re going to the ER to try and get tested.

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14 minutes ago, eoMMan said:

When the state of NY was at the peak, how many cases were they getting each day? What was their record number?

If I tell you the answer, I will get beat up by @Redwes25

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Just now, TheWinz said:

CDC has been posting weekly updates of deaths by age.  I've posted many in here, and here is the most recent one, dated 1 Jul

Under 1 = 9 deaths = .008%
1 - 4 = 6 deaths = 0.005%
5 - 14 = 14 deaths = 0.012%
15 - 24 = 142 deaths = 0.127%
25 - 34 = 770 deaths = 0.686%
35 - 44 = 1972 deaths = 1.757%
45 - 54 = 5488 deaths = 4.890%
55 - 64 = 13465 deaths = 11.998%
65 - 74 = 23333 deaths = 20.791%
75 - 84 = 29780 deaths = 26.536%
85 and over = 37, 247 deaths = 33.189%

A major reason the death tolls aren't rising with the spikes in cases.  What we don't really have a good grasp on is how many of these young folks are ending up hospitalized.  If they can self-heal from home after being diagnosed, hospitals may be able to hang in there.

Is that the death rate for those who are hospitalized?

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Just now, TheWinz said:

CDC has been posting weekly updates of deaths by age.  I've posted many in here, and here is the most recent one, dated 1 Jul

Under 1 = 9 deaths = .008%
1 - 4 = 6 deaths = 0.005%
5 - 14 = 14 deaths = 0.012%
15 - 24 = 142 deaths = 0.127%
25 - 34 = 770 deaths = 0.686%
35 - 44 = 1972 deaths = 1.757%
45 - 54 = 5488 deaths = 4.890%
55 - 64 = 13465 deaths = 11.998%
65 - 74 = 23333 deaths = 20.791%
75 - 84 = 29780 deaths = 26.536%
85 and over = 37, 247 deaths = 33.189%

A major reason the death tolls aren't rising with the spikes in cases.  What we don't really have a good grasp on is how many of these young folks are ending up hospitalized.  If they can self-heal from home after being diagnosed, hospitals may be able to hang in there.

Except if all the careless young people who have represented the reason for the recent spikes visit their older relatives, shouldn’t we soon see a similar spike in older people cases and then later deaths down the road?

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2 minutes ago, Biff84 said:

Arizona hospitals looking bad. COVID ER visits spiked to 1800 yesterday, 500 more than the previous high yesterday. Highs in acute and ICU COVID cases and overall ICU up to 91%. 4430 new cases continuing to run at about 25% positive.

Some are questioning the huge ER spike and I hope their right. I’m not sure how the determine COVID ER visits, if it’s people who test positive or just people coming to the ER with COVID concerns. One possibility is due to the backup at testing sites that they’re going to the ER to try and get tested.

Arizona, Florida, Texas. 3 states in the beginning stages of the hospitalization spike stage of this virus. None of this should be surprising, it’s exactly what this virus does.

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2 minutes ago, Scoresman said:

Except if all the careless young people who have represented the reason for the recent spikes visit their older relatives, shouldn’t we soon see a similar spike in older people cases and then later deaths down the road?

Better treatment compared to 3 months ago will hopefully mitigate deaths in the elderly. But according to this new study from MIT of the 16 most populous counties in Florida,  you're correct: Data From the COVID-19 Epidemic in Florida Suggest That Younger Cohorts Have Been Transmitting Their Infections to Less Socially Mobile Older Adults

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2 minutes ago, SoBeDad said:

Better treatment compared to 3 months ago will hopefully mitigate deaths in the elderly. But according to this new study from MIT of the 16 most populous counties in Florida,  you're correct: Data From the COVID-19 Epidemic in Florida Suggest That Younger Cohorts Have Been Transmitting Their Infections to Less Socially Mobile Older Adults

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/state_reports_latest.pdf

Official data from Florida shows the age is rising.

Median age of positive cases in last 7 days: 36.2

Median age in the 7 days previous: 33.5

 

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12 minutes ago, ericttspikes said:

I follow one of the Italian doctors who hypothesized an adapting/weaker virus in Italy several weeks ago. He posted an update a few hours ago. Translated from Italian so kind of rough. He seems to latch onto the belief that there is perhaps more undetected immunity in their population

...

This original work could therefore represent a ′′ scientific ′′ explanation and not just hypothetical and deductive of the current benign clinical behavior of the pandemic. Obviously if this is confirmed by other studies, the pandemic ′′ could have less arrows in its bow ". Let's hope so.

If you read around enough on this stuff, it becomes apparent that many researchers from all over are starting to suspect the bolded. More research is still needed to reach true scientific consensus ... right now, call it more of a collective educated hunch.

Unaccounted-for immunity, while nowhere near locked down yet through research, seems to theoretically answer a lot of questions about the way COVID-19 spreads (or sometimes, doesn't spread).

I still think, too, that a lot more is going to be found about how Carrier A barely sheds any virus while Carrier B shed a ton. This inconsistency in the ability of individual carriers to spread virus is also something strongly suspected. It happens routinely with other viruses ... no reason it wouldn't be the same with COVID-19.

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1 minute ago, SoBeDad said:

Is that the death rate for those who are hospitalized?

 

6 minutes ago, Scoresman said:

Except if all the careless young people who have represented the reason for the recent spikes visit their older relatives, shouldn’t we soon see a similar spike in older people cases and then later deaths down the road?

Let me ask it a different way - Will old at-risk people allow their young whippersnapper relatives to come near them after knowing their young whippersnapper relatives are maroons?  At what point do you put some of the blame on the cat for entering the dog park?

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10 minutes ago, shader said:

Arizona, Florida, Texas. 3 states in the beginning stages of the hospitalization spike stage of this virus. None of this should be surprising, it’s exactly what this virus does.

Exactly. I get everyone trying to find positives things to latch on to right now but we need to be realistic. 
 

I believe @Terminalxylem had posted a long time ago about viral loads. The more you are exposed to this the more severe the symptoms. So places where cases are declining have lower viral loads. Also would explain that Italian doctor above thinking the virus is mutating when that’s not the case. 

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5 minutes ago, SoBeDad said:
11 minutes ago, Scoresman said:

Except if all the careless young people who have represented the reason for the recent spikes visit their older relatives, shouldn’t we soon see a similar spike in older people cases and then later deaths down the road?

Better treatment compared to 3 months ago will hopefully mitigate deaths in the elderly. But according to this new study from MIT of the 16 most populous counties in Florida,  you're correct: Data From the COVID-19 Epidemic in Florida Suggest That Younger Cohorts Have Been Transmitting Their Infections to Less Socially Mobile Older Adults

Not a surprise in the least -- it's not like young adults leave crowded bars and then go into their stasis pods until it's time for their next party. Young adults interact in numbers with wider society, including plenty of "the vulnerable".

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26 minutes ago, eoMMan said:

When the state of NY was at the peak, how many cases were they getting each day? What was their record number?

No one knows. They couldn’t test all cases at peak. Highest reported numbers were 11k but surely more. I know people admitted to the Hospital who were not tested as they were basically only testing those in ICU in NYC.
 

Public orders at time were to not seek testing either and to assume you had it and self quarantine if you showed any symptoms as there was no place you could get a test if you wanted one.  
 

 

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3 minutes ago, Doug B said:

If you read around enough on this stuff, it becomes apparent that many researchers from all over are starting to suspect the bolded. More research is still needed to reach true scientific consensus ... right now, call it more of a collective educated hunch.

Unaccounted-for immunity, while nowhere near locked down yet through research, seems to theoretically answer a lot of questions about the way COVID-19 spreads (or sometimes, doesn't spread).

I still think, too, that a lot more is going to be found about how Carrier A barely sheds any virus while Carrier B shed a ton. This inconsistency in the ability of individual carriers to spread virus is also something strongly suspected. It happens routinely with other viruses ... no reason it wouldn't be the same with COVID-19.

I read something recently about how exposure to other coronaviruses (colds) may also have something to do with this. The problem is, as we know, that’s only temporary. How many people in here get cold at least once or even a couple of times a year?

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3 minutes ago, TheWinz said:

Let me ask it a different way - Will old at-risk people allow their young whippersnapper relatives to come near them after knowing their young whippersnapper relatives are maroons? 

At an individual level? Sure, some old at-risk people will do just that. Situations vary all over the place ... there's no blanket assumption you can just throw over an entire cohort.

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7 minutes ago, TheWinz said:

 

Let me ask it a different way - Will old at-risk people allow their young whippersnapper relatives to come near them after knowing their young whippersnapper relatives are maroons?  At what point do you put some of the blame on the cat for entering the dog park?

You’re assuming the old, at-risk people have more sensibility than their younger offspring. 

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7 minutes ago, TheWinz said:

Let me ask it a different way - Will old at-risk people allow their young whippersnapper relatives to come near them after knowing their young whippersnapper relatives are maroons?  At what point do you put some of the blame on the cat for entering the dog park?

You mean like the FBG that posted his BIL went to a bachelor party in AZ then flew back and went over to visit the parents of his wife? And then the dad, knowing he had been exposed to the virus by the younger maroons, told the son about it while having a beer out at a restaurant?? Yea, pretty sure lots of older people aren't that bright, just like the young people that infect them.

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2 minutes ago, Doug B said:

At an individual level? Sure, some old at-risk people will do just that. Situations vary all over the place ... there's no blanket assumption you can just throw over an entire cohort.

The problem with my logic is this - just because you are 20-something and may be invincible, it shouldn't give you the right to get yourself infected and not quarantine, because you are, in effect, forcing everyone else to quarantine by doing so.

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1 minute ago, TheWinz said:

 

Let me ask it a different way - Will old at-risk people allow their young whippersnapper relatives to come near them after knowing their young whippersnapper relatives are maroons?  At what point do you put some of the blame on the cat for entering the dog park?

Correct, it works both ways. But luckily I'm still worth more alive than dead to my 2 daughters, based on their behavior. One is doing a virtual dissertation defense in Boston in August and she told me not to come to celebrate. The other is here in Miami living with her half-brother and the closest contact we've had was father's day vegan pizza in her backyard about 10 feet apart. She went to 3 of the large protests in Miami, with a mask. But she was cautious around me even before then.

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21 minutes ago, Biff84 said:

Arizona hospitals looking bad. COVID ER visits spiked to 1800 yesterday, 500 more than the previous high yesterday. Highs in acute and ICU COVID cases and overall ICU up to 91%. 4430 new cases continuing to run at about 25% positive.

Some are questioning the huge ER spike and I hope their right. I’m not sure how the determine COVID ER visits, if it’s people who test positive or just people coming to the ER with COVID concerns. One possibility is due to the backup at testing sites that they’re going to the ER to try and get tested.

Arizona should go into the complete lockdown they never did in the first place. Somewhere between 70-84 days should do the trick. Then a phased reopening, without bars and clubs, with full masks and social distancing rules.

Sorry AZ, you didn’t do what you needed to do. The nurses getting yelled at by the “open it up” protestors tried to warn you. But no, and now you have testing sites with lines for miles and hospitals that look like a trauma ward. You were warned. “We’re not NYC though”. Sure. Until you are.

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1 minute ago, CR69 said:

I read something recently about how exposure to other coronaviruses (colds) may also have something to do with this. The problem is, as we know, that’s only temporary. How many people in here get cold at least once or even a couple of times a year?

The bolded is true, but this will very rarely be the exact same virus coming back again and again.

Several coronaviruses do cause common colds, but the number of known rhinoviruses that can cause cold symptoms is pushing 100. Plus dozens of other types of viruses altogether.

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Just now, TheWinz said:
5 minutes ago, Doug B said:

At an individual level? Sure, some old at-risk people will do just that. Situations vary all over the place ... there's no blanket assumption you can just throw over an entire cohort.

The problem with my logic is this - just because you are 20-something and may be invincible, it shouldn't give you the right to get yourself infected and not quarantine, because you are, in effect, forcing everyone else to quarantine by doing so.

Right on.

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16 minutes ago, shader said:

Arizona, Florida, Texas. 3 states in the beginning stages of the hospitalization spike stage of this virus. None of this should be surprising, it’s exactly what this virus does.

Yeah I know. AZ is screwed. Masks seem to be much better but the grocery stores are still packed with people stocking up for parties this weekend. The closing of bars, while good for my friends who own breweries/restaurants, was rather fruitless. They did it based on their liquor license, so only a fraction of the places were closed. And while those places and gyms closed, casinos are reopening with long lines to get in on a Friday morning.

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3 minutes ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

Arizona should go into the complete lockdown they never did in the first place. Somewhere between 70-84 days should do the trick. Then a phased reopening, without bars and clubs, with full masks and social distancing rules.

Sorry AZ, you didn’t do what you needed to do. The nurses getting yelled at by the “open it up” protestors tried to warn you. But no, and now you have testing sites with lines for miles and hospitals that look like a trauma ward. You were warned. “We’re not NYC though”. Sure. Until you are.

When they shut down bars they put it for at least 30 days. There’s some belief that at the end of the 30 days they will re-evaluate and expand the closures but I think that’s rather optimistic, I think we’re looking at a new lockdown within two weeks. Based on how much the gyms are fighting this current one, they might have be aggressive to get any sort of compliance.

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