parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Does anybody know the process for warming the pfizer vaccine up? Just let it sit for a while?
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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (9 Viewers)
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The Commish
Footballguy
Moving from a minus 80 freezer to a standard cold freezer would do it. I do think the dilutions required (effectively setting the timer on the 5-6 hours...I think that's what I read) warmer than the low to mid 30s in temp though. I suspect there's going to be a lot of waste with this particular one. The Moderna one seems much more manageable.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/12/21/nation/coronavirus-mutation-has-been-identified-uk-heres-what-know/
If this new mutation in England would take hold in the U.S. it would overrun the healthcare system. I would think that it is already here in a few people and with Christmas this week it could be waiting to explode.
If this new mutation in England would take hold in the U.S. it would overrun the healthcare system. I would think that it is already here in a few people and with Christmas this week it could be waiting to explode.
Dezbelief
Footballguy
We are one of the few countries still allowing flights from the UK. The new strain is here and we just don't know it.
CR69
Footballguy
I'm so grateful to live in best country in the world and that we can learn from our mistakes. (/sarcasm just in case it wasn't obvious)
Doug B
Footballguy
I think Dez is almost certainly right -- keep in mind that this mutation is not brand-brand-new. It was first identified in September.
The information about this mutation is still indefinite, so it's still reasonable to take one of either an optimistic or a pessimistic perspective. Here's the state-of-play at present from the 12/20 New York Times:
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BassNBrew
Footballguy
What you are doing is more dangerous and more likely against gov't orders than what he did. Maybe give him your christmas address so he can yell at you through the gate.
Not only are we letting flights in but we are also not requiring negative covid tests.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Not those links.
So frustrating that people can post this stuff without warnings and TOs around these boards, but a slightly off color joke about a politician gets a few months off. I don't get how in the eyes of the leadership one is that much more damaging than the other.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Pfizer really needs to get to work on a stupidity vaccine. ASAP.
Just leave it out I believe. Takes like 3 hours IIRC. We will gently warm other vaccines in our hands to speed up the process but that’s fridge and regular freezer temps. I doubt any external heat is advisable with a drug that needs ultra cold for stability.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
my understanding is that the spike protein has a few "sticky" point so even a mutation of that protein, partially, may not render the vaccine ineffective.
Doug B
Footballguy
That's flippin' weird. That suggests that it's the immune reaction to a COVID infection that causes the smell/taste loss, as opposed to something the virus itself is doing (e.g. damaging cells via infiltration).
Some report that a persistent stuffed-up nose will weaken smell & taste. Is that what's happening with COVID patients? Or is it more "mysterious" and unintuitive than that?
CGRdrJoe
Footballguy
No more than usual when I travel from nor cal to so cal, my allergies are constant but worse when temps change quickly. It was in the low 60’s in the bay when I left and 80 down at my parents. The CG gave us 5 different things to read on the shot, one was pretty in depth and had taste on there I believe. Either way it was extremely noticeable but not the worst since it kept me away from all the cookies my mom was baking for Xmas.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
My associate and both of her parents are now positive. She is in her mid-20s. Parents in 60s. All have symptoms but not hospitalized at this point. Had a close friend of the family who was in the hospital. She went home with an oxygen tank after a few days.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
It would be in my state, but walking down the road within 7-17 ft of another person wouldn't be. Most here would consider you part of the problem and the old man fine. It's all about perspective. You have yours and are doing what you feel is safe. I have no problem with the decision you are making, but you shouldn't be so judgmental. If you're not comfortable with people in the 7-17 ft range it's best to stay home.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
CGRdrJoe
Footballguy
No idea, I have never been tested and I’ve been pretty healthy since February when I was sick with an unknown upper respiratory infection
Doug B
Footballguy
Young & dumb: I played with dry ice pebbles (-109o F) many time as a kid. Pieces about as big as an M&M. I'm sure the low surface area compared to our palms was keeping us 'safe' ... but it could hurt like a mutha if you didn't juggle the pebble and keep it moving.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Just pointing out that referring to this as "low" is a huge overstatement.
The risks are as close to zero as you can get. In fact waiting in a cul de sac is probably a greater risk of getting pooped on by a bird and developing a brand new bird flu than catching covid outside in a brief passing.
In fact yelling at him and risking him yelling back might be the only way you could create a covid transmission in your scenario.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Interesting, is that a potential side effect of the vaccine? I haven't paid close attention to the new on the vaccine.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
@Terminalxylem @gianmarco
I can't remember if I asked this previously or not - did a search and can't find it in the thread. My wife had Guillain-Barre as a child - any concerns with her taking the vaccine? Right now she's leaning towards not until we find out for sure it's safe. Doing a Google search revealed one link which seemed to indicate she would be ok to get it.
Just wondering if either of you (or anybody else) has any info on this.
ETA - and of course we will consult her physician on this but wanted to see what information may be out there already.
I can't remember if I asked this previously or not - did a search and can't find it in the thread. My wife had Guillain-Barre as a child - any concerns with her taking the vaccine? Right now she's leaning towards not until we find out for sure it's safe. Doing a Google search revealed one link which seemed to indicate she would be ok to get it.
Just wondering if either of you (or anybody else) has any info on this.
ETA - and of course we will consult her physician on this but wanted to see what information may be out there already.
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Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Even though the recurrence risk is essentially zero (and the link to vaccines is debatable), your physician may recommend against it. Technically, it is NOT contraindicated (from CDC):
If I were her, I’d get vaccinated.
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Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
What's wrong with my links? I'm having an honest discussion about an important topic and posted links of doctors and scientists speaking out. Please tell me what's wrong in that!
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
It's curable was my point. There are LOADs of doctors saying so. Did you watch either of the video links I provided?1) Influenza =\= Coronavirus
2) There are families of 325,000 Americans who might take issue with your claim COVID is curable.
And that's just the issues in your first sentence... we can START there
So let's get this straight. Nobody wants to know the truth, correct? I post 2 links with loads of doctors and scientists giving their expert opinions that differ from mainstream narrative but they're the 'wrong' links. I'm out for truth. This has nothing to do with politics, it's about truth, freedom and living. Why am I getting constantly ridiculed for wanting to know the truth. This is very frustrating that we can't ask questions about this without so much anger and ridicule. I'm an American. I'm a military veteran. My first ancestors arrived here in the early 1600s. I care about my country. I care about freedom. I care about the TRUTH. Why so much anger towards that? I'm not a troll. I'm sincerely looking for truth in a world of lies and corruption. All of us should be. Censorship is NOT the answer to finding truth. Please understand my intentions.
gianmarco
Footballguy
I looked up a few of those physicians in that video. The ones I looked up have had their licenses revoked or suspended. The first physician in the video does not even believe viruses exist at all. Another one in England does not believe HIV exists.
These are fringe conspiracy folks that represent a very small minority.
the moops
Footballguy
Small pox is curable. Ebola is curable. Soke cancers are curable. Measles is curable. Covid is curable. None of them are the flu
beer 30
Footballguy
This was our game plan in February/March as we shut down travel from China but left the door open to Europe and we crushed NYC. There are 20+? flights a day coming in from the UK, probably looking for a repeat performance of that in January and the spread of this mutated virus as well.
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The Commish
Footballguy
Won't you also have to add some sort of agent to make the consumable doses? I thought I read they were being shipped 5/10 (whatever the number) doses per bottle, but then on site more work needed to be done to make them into the consumable doses.
The Commish
Footballguy
Are we getting ready to come full circle back to hydroxychloroquine as the miracle cure? It's been a few months since that story's come about. 
beer 30
Footballguy
It seems the troll presence ramps up as the virus spread ramps up. Definitely a correlation. With how closely this thread gets watched for any sort of political mention, it's amusing that the obvious trolls carry on with impunity.Are we getting ready to come full circle back to hydroxychloroquine as the miracle cure? It's been a few months since that story's come about.
EZD222
Footballguy
Search the internet and you will always find some sub-cohort of individuals that will agree/support your views. You can take the minute minority and I'll take the overwhelming majority.
If you have more links please post them (albeit ones that don't feel like they give my laptop the equivalent malware version of covid).
jamny
Footballguy
Here's a little writeup on some of the "doctors" in that one video link
And a little background on the author so you know where he's coming from:
And a little background on the author so you know where he's coming from:
CR69
Footballguy
I was off on the times:
30 minutes to thaw at room temp, 4-6 hours in the fridge. After thawing, it needs to be reconstituted within 2 hours. After reconstitution the 5 doses are good for 6 hours in the fridge.
To compare with Moderna, it can be stored in a regular freezer for 6 months, the refrigerator for 30 days. It doesn’t need to be reconstituted and has 10 doses in each vial. Only tricky part is the vial is only good for 6 hours after punctured.
The Commish
Footballguy
All that sounds like something I've heard. Logistics for Pfizer seem like they're a nightmare for local doctors/pharmacies etc....maybe not a big deal when they are at a place saying "we are doing X amount of vaccines today and when they are gone, you'll have to come back the next day" kinds of stuff....the mass vaccination stations.
The Commish
Footballguy
And this is usually where these types go off the rails....almost very credible model that showed up during the infancy of this pandemic predicted that between 200-500K people in the US were going to die from this. Right now we are smack dab in the middle of that estimate. Those predictions couldn't have done much better than they have. It's remarkable.
belljr
Footballguy
PSA have people ready to instant report
And when "the truth" goes against actual science is it the truth?
A famous man once said....
"It's not a Lie, if you believe it"
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themeanmachine
Footballguy
A detailed post on the efficacy of various COVID treatments. Full disclosure, I do not know if this guy is credible or not other than his claim he is "the Executive Director for the COVID-19 Early Treatment Fund (CETF)".
Interesting quote: "If everyone in the world took just the fluvoxamine for 14 days after they learned they were COVID positive, our hospitals and ICUs would be nearly empty today."
Interesting quote: "If everyone in the world took just the fluvoxamine for 14 days after they learned they were COVID positive, our hospitals and ICUs would be nearly empty today."
Battersbox
Footballguy
Fewest infections reported in Illinois since Oct. 27th. Really hope we continue on this downslope. Maybe people really did forego gathering for Thanksgiving.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
Steve Kirsch is credible, but it's important to note that he himself is not the scientific brains behind the enterprise (which he admits freely in your link). Kirsch is CETF's founder and financial backer. Kirsch and a team of advisors accept submission for grants to study existing drugs that may help in the fight against COVID-19.
A lot of the information he's sharing in the link is preliminary but promising. In the first section detailing monoclonal antibodies, Kirsch goes over the two that President Trump took at Walter Reed (casirivimab and imdevimab) and notes their pros and cons. Kirsch is pushing for CETF-funded research and belies some frustration with the cautious approach of most scientists in the field. But even as he comes off as impatient and maybe overeager ... Kirsch seems to have his heart and head in the right place.
the moops
Footballguy
I think those places, Thanksgiving was just like any other random Thursday in that they got drunk with family/friends. Only instead of at a bar it was at someone's house
Pipes
Footballguy
Disagree lots of people gave up gathering at Thanksgiving like they normally do. Not sure it was enough to move the needle but tons of people made that sacrifice this year.
