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Basically they are following the same process - number of days for each side to present their case, etc. The key difference here is all the relevant testimony in the Clinton trial was obtained and the Clinton team (I think) provided all the requested documentation. Trump has not and has had his folks ignore subpoenas (the obstruction charge stems in part from this). But, yes the structure and rules are essentially the same.
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He means that the 1999 Senate approved their Clinton impeachment rules by a vote of 100-0. He's suggesting that the current Senate will use those same rules.
Why don’t we let him hear the evidence and see?
I’m in Kentucky. I didn’t e-mail them on this for the obvious reasons.
That's exactly what we're arguing for.
No one has said no to witnesses. They voted to hear the arguments first and then decide.
Kamala Harris sent me an autographed photo and a mustache comb that used to belong to Willie Brown.
This is why she didn't get any traction for president An autographed Willie Brown photo and her state comb would have been much better.
"What kind of name is that?"
He is. But at the end of the day, he's going to vote the exact same way as Tillis, McConnell, Cruz, and every other GOP Senator.
True story.
Don’t be so sure. He’s retiring after this term and not running for anything. Not saying Alexander will surprise here (I don’t know much about him) but if there is a surprise he’s a prime candidate.
If they received a million letters, they might stand up and take notice.Nice form letters. LOL. Why would people waste their time writing these people? Ya know, you are only on this planet for a short amount of time and you cant get that wasted time back.
Just talked about this at the state level and believe me, the higher you get up in govt, the worse these characters are. Anyway, someone i know was waiting on a state rep to help with a problem. He said he didn't have time right then because he was looking for a new house for himself. Come back later.
So we agree that Trump is the worstNice form letters. LOL. Why would people waste their time writing these people? Ya know, you are only on this planet for a short amount of time and you cant get that wasted time back.
Just talked about this at the state level and believe me, the higher you get up in govt, the worse these characters are. Anyway, someone i know was waiting on a state rep to help with a problem. He said he didn't have time right then because he was looking for a new house for himself. Come back later.
Oh I think writing a politician is super valuable. Not to take away from here, but everyone spending 5 minutes on this topic here should take 2 minutes and send their senator an email.Nice form letters. LOL. Why would people waste their time writing these people? Ya know, you are only on this planet for a short amount of time and you cant get that wasted time back.
Just talked about this at the state level and believe me, the higher you get up in govt, the worse these characters are. Anyway, someone i know was waiting on a state rep to help with a problem. He said he didn't have time right then because he was looking for a new house for himself. Come back later.
First off, not to be snarky, but it takes about the same amount of time to write a letter to your congressperson as it takes to write a post on the internet complaining about people wasting their time writing to their congresspersons.
Before the Clinton trial there was a years long investigation and thousands of pages of evidence and testimony from Ken Starr. So right from go, this is not the same situation at all because the Trump admin has not produced a single document. The idea in the Clinton trial was let's listen to all the stuff that Ken Starr has (from his inarguably exhaustive investigation) and then decide if we want to hear from more people directly. In the Trump case, the House doesn't have all of the evidence they wanted/needed because the executive branch won't let them have it. The Senate and Roberts should be able to bridge that gap.
Because like it or not...that is how the system is supposed to work. You contact your representatives, let them know you are a constituent and voice your opinions. Whether they listen or not may be another thing...some may, some may not. Probably depends on the person.Nice form letters. LOL. Why would people waste their time writing these people? Ya know, you are only on this planet for a short amount of time and you cant get that wasted time back.
Just talked about this at the state level and believe me, the higher you get up in govt, the worse these characters are. Anyway, someone i know was waiting on a state rep to help with a problem. He said he didn't have time right then because he was looking for a new house for himself. Come back later.
To me the big thing here is that while some elements of structure may be similar, the motives and intent are vastly different. Back during the Clinton impeachment the R and D Senate leadership worked very closely together to find a way to get through this so as to respect the process and the need for comity. This time McConnell has come out against impartiality and doesn't really seem to care about allowing the Senators (or the citizenry) to see the facts/witnesses/testimony they are genuinely interested in. He just wants to "win" and it's sad that that is what it comes down to today.
Yeah. Ive gotten some from him that seem more personal.
When Thom (hopefully soon) gets out of the Senate....do you think he is going straight into lobbying on K Street or work with Cintra on this scam of toll lanes he spearheaded for i77
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Yeah, they have pretty sophisticated tracking systems. They are form letters that send in response, but they put in their system pro or con, and will send different letters depending on the writer's view, and they keep track of how many pro/con letters they receive and send in response.
I interned in a famous Senator's office after my freshman year of college. It was a pretty terrible experience -- they weren't paying us, so they just hired a ton of people and had nothing for us to do -- but I did learn a bit about how they processed constituent mail (though this was nearly three decades ago, so I'm sure lots has changed since then).
I remember signing on behalf of Congressman (office did not have autopen). I'm a lefty which posed a bit of a challenge (or at least that's what I tell myself that my penmanship problem relates to), as he had a big ol' cursive "Bob", which I found surprisingly tough to pull off consistently, and would sometimes leave smudge marks because of the marker. The Congressman's actual signature was by the return address of the envelope. I'm sure some constituents compared the signature at the bottom of the letter with the signature on the envelope, and got a good laugh out of it -- but the office got what they paid for, I guess.zftcg said:
