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Joe Rogan Endorsement of Bernie Sanders - A Negative? (1 Viewer)

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As I've said before, I have a diverse friend group so my facebook feed is interesting. Saw this on social media and thought it was interesting.

And absolutely, Gateway Pundit is extremely biased. But the tweets and comments from the parties involved are all in one place.

Democrat Organization ‘MoveOn’ Demands Bernie Sanders Denounce Joe Rogan Endorsement, Claims it ‘Hurt’ People

MoveOn called on Sanders and his campaign to “apologize” and said that they stand in “solidarity with folks hurt by this.”

“It’s one thing for Joe Rogan to endorse a candidate. It’s another for @BernieSanders’ campaign to produce a video bolstering the endorsement of someone known for promoting transphobia, homophobia, Islamophobia, racism and misogyny,” MoveOn’s official Twitter account posted. “We urge Sen. Sanders and his campaign to apologize and stop elevating this endorsement. We stand in solidarity with folks hurt by this.”  

https://twitter.com/MoveOn/status/1221125549051011073?s=20
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What do Sanders supporters think of this? I'd have to think an endorsement by Joe Rogan would be a big positive. 

 
I'm not a Sanders supporter, but I've got a few observations if you don't mind:

1. it's weird for a member of the media -- and that's basically what Joe Rogan has become over the past 10 years -- to endorse a candidate.

2a. generally speaking, I don't think it's fair to blame a host for the bigoted opinions of his guests.

2b. on the other hand, Rogan has a long history of giving a platform to guests who have promoted conspiracy theories or who have been aligned with bigotry. In that context, I can understand why MoveOn would consider Rogan's endorsement to be different from, say, an endorsement from someone like Jimmy Fallon.

3. nonetheless, I don't think Bernie needs to denounce Rogan. He can just say "I don't subscribe to all of the opinions promoted on Rogan's program" and leave it at that.

4. I don't think that any of this will hurt OR help Sanders' campaign.

5. I do think that this could indirectly hurt Trump. There's a lot of overlap between "Joe Rogan fans" and "Trump supporters". Seeing Rogan endorse a democratic socialist could cause some of those Trump supporters to reconsider who they might vote for in 2020.

 
[scooter] said:
I'm not a Sanders supporter, but I've got a few observations if you don't mind:

1. it's weird for a member of the media -- and that's basically what Joe Rogan has become over the past 10 years -- to endorse a candidate.

2a. generally speaking, I don't think it's fair to blame a host for the bigoted opinions of his guests.

2b. on the other hand, Rogan has a long history of giving a platform to guests who have promoted conspiracy theories or who have been aligned with bigotry. In that context, I can understand why MoveOn would consider Rogan's endorsement to be different from, say, an endorsement from someone like Jimmy Fallon.

3. nonetheless, I don't think Bernie needs to denounce Rogan. He can just say "I don't subscribe to all of the opinions promoted on Rogan's program" and leave it at that.

4. I don't think that any of this will hurt OR help Sanders' campaign.

5. I do think that this could indirectly hurt Trump. There's a lot of overlap between "Joe Rogan fans" and "Trump supporters". Seeing Rogan endorse a democratic socialist could cause some of those Trump supporters to reconsider who they might vote for in 2020.
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On point #3, thats what they're saying.

From the Gateway Pundit article:
 

“The goal of our campaign is to build a multi-racial, multi-generational movement that is large enough to defeat Donald Trump and the powerful special interests whose greed and corruption is the root cause of the outrageous inequality in America,” Sanders’ national press secretary Briahna Joy Gray said in a statement to Fox News. “Sharing a big tent requires including those who do not share every one of our beliefs, while always making clear that we will never compromise our values. The truth is that standing together in solidarity, we share the values of love and respect that will move us in the direction of a more humane, more equal world.”
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Democrats are stupid for purity tests.  They need all the votes they can get.  It's not like Rogan is going to make policy if Sanders wins.

 
I don’t think Rogan is any of those things. I do think he is a bit of a conspiracy theorist and he gives a platform for people of all ideologies to talk, but overall I think he does a good job at trying to connect with them despite having differences.  I also don’t think Rogan subscribed to all of Bernie’s policy desires, but views him as the most genuine candidate in the race. 

 
Joe Bryant said:
Did you mean to use the quote on "endorsement"? 

Do you not think it's an endorsement from Rogan?
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I guess if you want to get technical, he was endorsing him as a standup human being. With the video first starts, he certainly hesitated and said I think I’ll be voting for Bernie Sanders. I would have to agree with @HellToupee that that’s not exactly an endorsement of the candidate. 

 
[scooter] said:
1. it's weird for a member of the media -- and that's basically what Joe Rogan has become over the past 10 years -- to endorse a candidate.
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He didn't explicitly endorse anybody...and still hasn't. Bari asked him who he's going to vote for. Joe himself says he THINKS he'll vote for Bernie. At that point it's just an opinion.

 
Three points: 

1. To answer the question it’s neither positive or negative. The reason is we’ve reached a point in our political history where personal endorsements are meaningless with the exception of a very few people: Obama’s endorsement might mean something. When Trump endorses one Republican in a primary race vs another, that might mean something. But I just named two Presidents. Most people’s endorsements have no impact whatsoever

2. Going into the Iowa Caucus Bernie’s facing almost the exact same problem he faced last time: centrist Democrats think he’s too far to the left, can’t win a general election, and that limits his overall appeal. Personally I find it very hard to see him winning the nomination. Even if Biden were to collapse some other person more palatable to the establishment would take his place, be it Klobuchar, Buttigieg, Bloomberg etc, and that person would win out. I know people like to point at Trump in 2016 but don’t forget at this point Trump had a consistent national lead of 20 or more points over his closest competitor; Ted Cruz’s victory in Iowa was a big upset. If Bernie had that kind of lead I’d be more convinced of his overall chances. He may win Iowa, he is almost sure to win New Hampshire, and then it comes to a screeching halt.

3. @Joe Bryant you stated that Gateway Pundit is heavily biased. While this is true it’s equally important to also point out that they are liars. They continually make stories up. 

 
You want a fantastic clip of why I'd want Joe to be in support of the candidate I like? Here's one:

https://twitter.com/rousseaufanboy/status/1220561065966219264?s=19

Joe has a massive audience. One of the largest in any medium out there. And I think a lot of his viewers are people in the middle (much like Jimmy Dore) who have a disdain for the establishment, or at least are willing to hear alternative viewpoints. A lot of people still able to be influenced.

I think the amount of voters Bernie could gain from this are much more than the few who will kneejerk react themselves away from a Bernie vote cause of this.

 
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Cjw_55106 said:
I guess if you want to get technical, he was endorsing him as a standup human being. With the video first starts, he certainly hesitated and said I think I’ll be voting for Bernie Sanders. I would have to agree with @HellToupee that that’s not exactly an endorsement of the candidate. 
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Meh, I think he was just selling it a bit.  I thought the same at first with the pause and whatnot, but then he went off into such a practically rehearsed reason why and you could tell it was something he had already thought about and knew the answer to.

 
I would say it is probably positive, in that the majority of people don't know anything about Joe Rogan, so it is essentially to his audience where it could carry some weight. 

 
Joe Bryant said:
Did you mean to use the quote on "endorsement"? 

Do you not think it's an endorsement from Rogan?
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I don’t consider it an endorsement, he was basically thinking out loud. As a semi regular listener I’m not surprised at all  at his train of thought , ever since Bernie was on his show he’s gushed about him as a person . I think it was smart of the Bernie campaign to pick the ball up and run with it

 
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ShamrockPride said:
You want a fantastic clip of why I'd want Joe to be in support of the candidate I like? Here's one:

https://twitter.com/rousseaufanboy/status/1220561065966219264?s=19

Joe has a massive audience. One of the largest in any medium out there. And I think a lot of his viewers are people in the middle (much like Jimmy Dore) who have a disdain for the establishment, or at least are willing to hear alternative viewpoints. A lot of people still able to be influenced.

I think the amount of voters Bernie could gain from this are much more than the few who will kneejerk react themselves away from a Bernie vote cause of this.
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Rogan’s remarks definitely don’t sit will with the establishment. They’ve been trying to torpedo him as his numbers rise and now this

 
My first reaction is “who is Joe Rogan?”  The actor who was in “New Radio?” If so, I honestly didn’t know he had a career now. 

 
timschochet said:
you stated that Gateway Pundit is heavily biased. While this is true it’s equally important to also point out that they are liars. They continually make stories up. 
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This is completely irrelevant considering he posted the tweet, which of course eliminates the need to discuss bias. Nothing more than a diversion after that.

 
There’s a lot of guys like Rogan out there.  Big shocker, lot of people in the MMA scene aren’t sensitive to this stuff.  Perhaps many of them could learn to be more sensible about trans issues. 

People ripping the Sanders campaign about this are missing the forest for the trees. Sanders didn’t adopt any reactionary positions to win this ‘endorsement.’  All of Rogan’s viewers aren’t a monolithic transphobe demographic.  Just cause some of them might have some outdated views doesn’t mean they’re bad people. It was only 2010 or so when many people came around on gay rights.  

Rogan has platformed human trash like Gavin McInnes, Ben Shapiro, Milo, etc.  But he’s also provided arguably the biggest platform in the country for people like Abby Martin to talk about her work in Palestine, and other guests with considerable viewpoints.  Portraying the JRE as a breeding ground for transphobia is an extremely badfaith reading of the show.  As with the ‘Bernie Bro’ line, it’s about undercutting Sanders’ broad appeal to many different cross-sections of the country.  

I would find a ‘denouncement’ or withdrawal of the video very disappointing, and alienating an important coalition that would otherwise just go for Trump.  

 
@RickyRawls

Why are y’all litigating Joe Rogan with these people for? They don’t care. If Joe Rogan supported Warren they’d claim this is proof of the redemptive power of Warren cuz they already like her. Because they already hate Sanders, this becomes verification Sanders is bad as they say

Either way there is no sincere concern about Joe Rogan’s politics happening. It’s opportunistic bull####. It’s about having a preformed opinion on someone and interpreting anything that happens as proof to support that opinion.

When you debate with them the pros and cons of Rogan’s platform and history (even if true) you’re falling for a head fake. They don’t care. They just want to throw whatever against the wall and see what sticks.

If the most unimpeachable person by their standards endorsed Bernie wholeheartedly, that still wouldn’t be enough. It would just be cause to cancel that person now. This is about how they hate Bernie not how they hate Rogan. Don’t bother.

Just because someone sets a talking point in front of you doesn’t mean you have to reflexively engage it. It’s shadowboxing. They don’t care if Rogan is good or had. If Obama appeared on Rogan they’d be yassing and making memes and calling him a great uniter

I’m talking about people engaging with liberal concern trolls who have made up their mind they’re never voting Sanders and are boosters for other candidates who also asked to go on Rogan but were rejected. If you are not in this category, the thread isn’t about how to talk to you

People bringing up these things in good faith whether Bernie supporters or people who would give him a fair shake if he addressed their issues and concerns properly are different than say Neera Tanden or Warren or Biden shills who ignore those candidates tried to get on Rogan too

 
About 99% of my friends would say "Who is joe Rogan?"

If Connor McGregor supporter Warren would anyone really care?  These guys in the voting picture are nobodies.

 
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No, it won't hurt Sanders at all. It won't help him either. I've seen some of the outrage, but it's mainly very angry far left 'woke' Democrats on Twitter who are behind Warren and need to be offended by something in order to function. By next week, we'll move on to the next outrage.

 
ren hoek said:
@RickyRawls

Why are y’all litigating Joe Rogan with these people for? They don’t care. If Joe Rogan supported Warren they’d claim this is proof of the redemptive power of Warren cuz they already like her. Because they already hate Sanders, this becomes verification Sanders is bad as they say

Either way there is no sincere concern about Joe Rogan’s politics.
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And if Rogan had endorsed, say, Hillary Clinton in 2016, and her campaign amplified that endorsement, these very Sanders fans on twitter would have eviscerated her for that. I guarantee it. That kind of hypocrisy is absolutely normal in politics and no side is above it.

 
caustic said:
And if Rogan had endorsed, say, Hillary Clinton in 2016, and her campaign amplified that endorsement, these very Sanders fans on twitter would have eviscerated her for that. I guarantee it. That kind of hypocrisy is absolutely normal in politics and no side is above it.
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They probably would have eviscerated Rogan for backing a corrupt war criminal.  It would have been centered on policy, rather than Machiavellian smear tactics.  I doubt they'd blame Hillary for it though.  

 
ren hoek said:
There’s a lot of guys like Rogan out there.  Big shocker, lot of people in the MMA scene aren’t sensitive to this stuff.  Perhaps many of them could learn to be more sensible about trans issues. 

People ripping the Sanders campaign about this are missing the forest for the trees. Sanders didn’t adopt any reactionary positions to win this ‘endorsement.’  All of Rogan’s viewers aren’t a monolithic transphobe demographic.  Just cause some of them might have some outdated views doesn’t mean they’re bad people. It was only 2010 or so when many people came around on gay rights.  

Rogan has platformed human trash like Gavin McInnes, Ben Shapiro, Milo, etc.  But he’s also provided arguably the biggest platform in the country for people like Abby Martin to talk about her work in Palestine, and other guests with considerable viewpoints.  Portraying the JRE as a breeding ground for transphobia is an extremely badfaith reading of the show.  As with the ‘Bernie Bro’ line, it’s about undercutting Sanders’ broad appeal to many different cross-sections of the country.  

I would find a ‘denouncement’ or withdrawal of the video very disappointing, and alienating an important coalition that would otherwise just go for Trump.  
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The transphobic claims about Rogan are simply borne from people not paying attention to what’s he says on the topic. It’s pure sound bite gotcha journalism. I’m a regular listener and what he’s said time and time again is that he has zero issue with people living the lives that make them most happy.  Where he takes issue with the topic is only where it involves sports. The biology can’t be ignored here and the advantage a man who has transitioned to female and then competes against females has is real, especially in combat sports. He doesn’t think that’s fair and possibly dangerous, and he’s not wrong. But the transitioning or lifestyle choices he has no issues with.  

 
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ren hoek said:
They probably would have eviscerated Rogan for backing a corrupt war criminal.  It would have been centered on policy, rather than Machiavellian smear tactics.  I doubt they'd blame Hillary for it though.  
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We’ll have to agree to disagree on that. None of us are above confirmation bias, not even left twitter.

Regarding the thread’s original question, I think it was totally fine for Bernie to go on Rogan’s show, but I understand why some people are uncomfortable with the campaign touting his endorsement. I think their concern is totally valid - I’m probably voting for Bernie myself and I’m not sure if it was the right move. Rogan has said some pretty bad things and had some pretty vile people on his show, and I don’t think there’s an obviously correct answer to how big the Dems’ tent should be.

 
I just don’t understand this issue with giving different people and viewpoints a “platform”.  Isn’t the idea of an interview show (which is exactly what he does) to interview different people?  It’s exactly what I love about his show, I get to hear from all different viewpoints from different sides.  Some I think are nuts, but it’s cool to get into their head and hear their thought process, no matter how wrong I believe it to be.  

People who are scared to hear other viewpoints scare me far more than the people expressing said viewpoints.  

 
dkp993 said:
I just don’t understand this issue with giving different people and viewpoints a “platform”.  Isn’t the idea of an interview show (which is exactly what he does) to interview different people?  It’s exactly what I love about his show, I get to hear from all different viewpoints from different sides.  Some I think are nuts, but it’s cool to get into their head and hear their thought process, no matter how wrong I believe it to be.  

People who are scared to hear other viewpoints scare me far more than the people expressing said viewpoints.  
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Not in today's hypersensitive echo chamber safe space twitterized society where you can just block out opinions you disagree with.

You're only allowed to interview guests with similar opinions to your own or audience.

 
dkp993 said:
I just don’t understand this issue with giving different people and viewpoints a “platform”.  Isn’t the idea of an interview show (which is exactly what he does) to interview different people?  It’s exactly what I love about his show, I get to hear from all different viewpoints from different sides.  Some I think are nuts, but it’s cool to get into their head and hear their thought process, no matter how wrong I believe it to be.  

People who are scared to hear other viewpoints scare me far more than the people expressing said viewpoints.  
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There’s “hearing from different sides” and then there’s interviewing a literal white supremacist (Stefan Molyneux, 3x guest on Rogan), chatting with the leader of an alt-right hate group (Gavin McInnes, 2x guest), and chumming it up with the conspiracy theorist who sent child porn to the families of murdered children (Alex Jones). Giving people like that a megaphone by inviting them on your extremely popular show is a horrible idea.

 
Rogan's endorsement is not a "big" positive but moves the needle in that direction more than it does negatively.

This group that is quoted who want Sanders to apologize and distance himself from this will still vote for Bernie over Trump 8 days a week.  You don't lose anyone there.   Maybe Rogan gives you a sprinkle of extra votes here and there though.

 
HellToupee said:
I don’t consider it an endorsement, he was basically thinking out loud. As a semi regular listener I’m not surprised at all  at his train of thought , ever since Bernie was on his show he’s gushed about him as a person . I think it was smart of the Bernie campaign to pick the ball up and run with it
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Interesting. Thanks. It definitely feels like an endorsement to me. 

 
caustic said:
There’s “hearing from different sides” and then there’s interviewing a literal white supremacist (Stefan Molyneux, 3x guest on Rogan), chatting with the leader of an alt-right hate group (Gavin McInnes, 2x guest), and chumming it up with the conspiracy theorist who sent child porn to the families of murdered children (Alex Jones). Giving people like that a megaphone by inviting them on your extremely popular show is a horrible idea.
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This is a much better argument for why Sanders should say something.  I haven’t listened to much of Rogan but when I do it’s usually the health and science podcasts.  Based on everything I’ve heard from him though, I would give him the benefit of the doubt until I listened to those episodes.  I’m not familiar with any but Alex Jones.  I will say that Rogan 

 
caustic said:
There’s “hearing from different sides” and then there’s interviewing a literal white supremacist (Stefan Molyneux, 3x guest on Rogan), chatting with the leader of an alt-right hate group (Gavin McInnes, 2x guest), and chumming it up with the conspiracy theorist who sent child porn to the families of murdered children (Alex Jones). Giving people like that a megaphone by inviting them on your extremely popular show is a horrible idea.
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Sounds like a pretty good idea to me if you are joe rogan. Guy has a huge following and makes a ton of money. 

 
My interpretation is that the way the "moderate left" is coming after Bernie for this one, it must be a real needle mover.  I also think if Joe said "I think I'm going to vote for Biden" we would have heard a pin drop.

I like Rogan and I think this country needs to have more people like him who are willing to sit down and have a 3 hour open dialog with people they disagree with instead of trying to de-platform and "cancel" everyone they disagree with.

 
Juxtatarot said:
I watched the Rogan-Sanders interview from this summer.  It's a pretty good interview although one very friendly to Sanders.
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All of Joe’s interviews are friendly to the interviewee.  He does that on purpose.  He’s not interested in arguing with them and simply wants to have a normal conversation.  It’s why his cast of interviews is so diverse. 

 
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All of Joe’s interviews are friendly to the interviewee.  He does that on purpose.  He’s not interested in arguing with them and simply wants to have a normal conversation.  It’s why his cast of interviews is so diverse. 
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Even the ones with the alt-right and conspiracy theorists? I'm never watched one of those.

 
Juxtatarot said:
Even the ones with the alt-right and conspiracy theorists? I'm never watched one of those.
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Yep. He asks a lot of questions and tries to stay out of the way.  He’s not big on trying to change the interviewee’s perspective, it’s more about understanding their position and thought process.  

 
dkp993 said:
Yep. He asks a lot of questions and tries to stay out of the way.  He’s not big on trying to change the interviewee’s perspective, it’s more about understanding their position and thought process.  
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"Friendly" = actually letting a guest get their full thoughts on a question out and not butting in every 15 seconds like on MSNBCNN/FOX. Sheesh...

 
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