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Writing A Novel Without Experience Of Issue - Cancel Culture (1 Viewer)

Do you agree with criticism of this book based on author's lack of experience with the issue?

  • Completely Agree With The Criticism

    Votes: 3 5.3%
  • Mostly Agree With The Criticism

    Votes: 3 5.3%
  • Somewhat Agree With The Criticism

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • On The Fence

    Votes: 2 3.5%
  • Somewhat Disagree With The Criticism

    Votes: 1 1.8%
  • Mostly Disagree With The Criticism

    Votes: 20 35.1%
  • Completely Disagree With The Criticism

    Votes: 28 49.1%

  • Total voters
    57

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Thought this was interesting.  And I'm sorry, I know this is a long clip but it all seemed pretty important to the article. 

The debate over 'American Dirt,' Oprah's book club pick, is bigger than 'cancel culture'

The first few pages of American Dirt, the new novel by Jeanine Cummins about a Mexican woman and her 8-year-old son who flee a drug kingpin for the southern U.S. border, begin with a jolt of adrenaline. The son, Luca, is standing over a toilet when bullets fly into the bathroom. He barely has time to register what's happening — gunmen are murdering his family at a party — before his mother, Lydia, hurls them both into a shower stall to hide. It's a gripping scene laid out with urgent prose. 

It's no wonder why Oprah Winfrey, who selected it this week for her book club, said she couldn't put the novel down after those first pages. The story follows Lydia, a middle-class bookstore owner who unwittingly befriends the kingpin who ultimately kills her family, as she tries to escape Mexico with Luca by her side. Critics say the book's depiction of Lydia's experience reads like a "cheap-thrill narconovela" and feels like "the work of an outsider."

But when Oprah announced the pick on CBS This Morning, she said, "Every night on the news, I think you hear so many stories, you hear so many migrant stories ... you see the stories of the border, I thought this humanized that migration process in a way that nothing else I had ever felt or seen had ... This story really changed me and changed the way I see what it means to be an immigrant trying to come to this country." 

That's a powerful endorsement, especially coming from Oprah. But combining thrilling entertainment with the feel-good sensation of empathy can lead people to wildly problematic places (remember the movie Crash?), which is where we find ourselves with American Dirt. 

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It's a familiar news cycle that too often gets reduced to an example of so-called cancel culture: Writer offensively portrays marginalized people without first-hand knowledge of said people's lived experiences, is rewarded handsomely by their industry or peers, and those who might see themselves reflected in the writer's narrative see a charlatan at work instead and voice their outrage over who gets to tell — and profit — from such stories. (Cummins received a seven-figure deal for the book.)

Some would have you believe that this debate is about cancelling Cummins and censoring anyone who dares to write about an experience they haven't lived. The controversy will be blamed on "political correctness" or so-called cancel culture, making it easy for readers and fans to move past the outcry. 

In fact, the anger is about who gets to publish whose stories and for what price. It's about how quickly an author who takes on a subject written about by numerous Mexican and Mexican-American authors can find herself elevated above them all to Oprah Book Club status. And the controversy highlights people's intense desire to avoid hearing something they love is offensive rather than take seriously the critics' claims and genuinely explore why they must protest so loudly in the first place. 

The backlash begins

The backlash against American Dirt had been brewing since December, when the Chicana author Myriam Gurba published her scathing review of the book. 

"That Lydia is so shocked by her own country’s day-to-day realities, realities that I’m intimate with as a Chicana living en el norte, gives the impression that Lydia might not be … a credible Mexican," wrote Gurba. "In fact, she perceives her own country through the eyes of a pearl-clutching American tourist." 

Other Latinx critics say the book traffics in tropes and caricatures. David Bowles, a Mexican-American author who read an advance copy of the book and reviewed it negatively, said it presented the reader with inauthentic characters and turned the plight of life-or-death migration into "trauma porn." 

Such critical perspectives have always existed in literature. Yet in an era where anyone can use the internet and social media as a bullhorn, those voices increasingly threaten power brokers, including publishers, agents, and publicists, and audiences alike because they insist on revealing, in the public square, the inadequacies and betrayals of stories that some feel compelled to fiercely defend. No one, particularly not Oprah and or her devoted fans, wants to embrace a book like American Dirt, feel good about themselves for having done so, only to learn that it's reviled by many as inauthentic and even harmful to the very cause it seeks to champion. 

Cummins has deflected questions about the criticism by saying it's up to each reader to decide how they feel about the book, and that individual writers shouldn't be made to answer for inequities created and perpetuated by the publishing industry. 

"I was never going to turn down money that someone offered me for something that took me seven years to write," she said in a recent appearance. 

American Dirt's publisher, Flatiron Books, said in a statement that it's "[C]arefully listening to the conversation happening around the novel. The concerns that have been raised, including the question of who gets to tell which stories, are valid ones in relation to literature and we welcome the conversation." 

The outrage over the novel's success prompted one writer to draft a form letter urging independent booksellers to read critiques of the book, recycle advertising materials for it, prominently display books by immigrant and Latinx authors instead, and avoid hosting Cummins. The director of McAllen Public Library, located on the Mexico-U.S. border, declined an invitation to celebrate American Dirt in partnership with Oprah's Book Club. 

"The numerous inaccuracies in her story are clear evidence of the white gaze, capitalizing on hurtful stereotypes and cashing in on human suffering," she wrote. "After two sleepless nights and numerous conversations with my predominantly Latinx staff, I decided that I cannot – will not– endorse this book at my library." 


Also

Cummins did conduct extensive research in the process of writing her book. In 2015, she spoke to Norma Iglesias-Prieto, a professor in the department of Chicano and Chicana Studies at San Diego State University, whose initial support of the novel Cummins has used like a shield against criticism. 

"I'm a big proponent of the idea that you can write outside of your lane if you do the work."

"I resisted for a very long time telling the story from a migrant's point of view because I was worried that I didn't know enough, that my privilege would make me blind to certain truths," Cummins said on CBS This Morning. "I expressed my concerns about this to [Iglesias-Prieto] and she said, 'Jeanine, we need every voice we can get telling this story.'" 

Iglesias-Prieto, who responded to questions by email, said that in general she supported Cummins' interest in writing about immigration, partly because she had reached out to several experts in the field. That support, Iglesias-Prieto said, was for a research process that could lead to a well-founded narrative, not an endorsement of the novel that Cummins' eventually wrote.

Iglesias-Prieto said that Cummins sent the book manuscript last year to her with a request to help spot problems in the portrayal of the protagonists and Mexican culture. Iglesias-Prieto did not have time to read the novel then.

"The responsibility ultimately falls on the author and her editors, of which I was not one," she said.

Iglesias-Prieto quickly reviewed the book this week. While she demurred when asked about criticism of American Dirt's plot and characters, she agreed that critics are right to be skeptical of the book's success. 

 
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i think this is where I tend to fall on it. 

Cummins did conduct extensive research in the process of writing her book. In 2015, she spoke to Norma Iglesias-Prieto, a professor in the department of Chicano and Chicana Studies at San Diego State University, whose initial support of the novel Cummins has used like a shield against criticism. 

"I'm a big proponent of the idea that you can write outside of your lane if you do the work."

"I resisted for a very long time telling the story from a migrant's point of view because I was worried that I didn't know enough, that my privilege would make me blind to certain truths," Cummins said on CBS This Morning. "I expressed my concerns about this to [Iglesias-Prieto] and she said, 'Jeanine, we need every voice we can get telling this story.'" 
You have to be respectful and do the work to make sure you understand the issue. But it seems wrong to me to limit authors to only writing about topics they've experienced. It seems like that's artificially suppressing attention to a topic that may need it. 

 
And if I'm understanding the argument, it seems like it's a similar thing with food where people are criticized if they have a restaurant offering food that is not aligned with their race. 

 
It's a fiction novel.  I find it more troubling that Oprah needs it to humanize the plight of migrants.
That's pithy, but necessary in logic is not equal to sufficient. She's not broaching the subject of migrants by saying "read this," her Book of the Month club happens to tackle the issue. 

 
I don't really understand the big deal. Its a fiction book. If people like it great. If they don't, fine.

But the attacks on writing outside your lane are stupid. The attacks on "stereotypes" in the book is dumb. You can't on one hand argue that immigrants are fleeing gang violence, drug cartels, and organized crime but then get mad when characters in a book get portrayed that way.

 
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For the vote on "completely agree", would you mind elaborating? I'd like to better understand on this. Thanks. 

 
i think this is where I tend to fall on it. 

You have to be respectful and do the work to make sure you understand the issue. But it seems wrong to me to limit authors to only writing about topics they've experienced. It seems like that's artificially suppressing attention to a topic that may need it. 
I agree.  A person can write about traffic safety without ever having been in a car crash.

That said, I have no idea whether the specific criticism that this book has received is warranted.  I would need to read it to form an opinion, and I'm not going to so I'll just have to remain agnostic on that point.

Edit: Also, I notice that you've started a handful of closely-related threads -- this one, the Apu thread, and the Joe Rogan thread.  These stories are "controversies" that are playing out in a very small but very vocal corner of Twitter.  99% of the US population is probably blissfully ignorant of all of them.  Somebody referred to the Joe Rogan thing as a "non-troversy" for this reason a few days ago.  I see these things too, but I try very hard not to give them too much mind-share.  I don't think they're healthy.

 
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The criticisms of the book seem plausibly fair.

Authors should be able to write about people and events they don't have first hand experience about.

I voted on the fence.  

 
Seems like everything here is fair. She wrote a book. Some people liked it and some critics hated it. Doesn’t this happen everyday? How is this different?

 
Edit: Also, I notice that you've started a handful of closely-related threads -- this one, the Apu thread, and the Joe Rogan thread.  These stories are "controversies" that are playing out in a very small but very vocal corner of Twitter.  99% of the US population is probably blissfully ignorant of all of them.  Somebody referred to the Joe Rogan thing as a "non-troversy" for this reason a few days ago.  I see these things too, but I try very hard not to give them too much mind-share.  I don't think they're healthy.
Thanks. i do wonder about that. And it's often why I'll ask here to get a feel for what others are thinking. I agree it can be dangerous to assign too much value to a topic just because you hear people talking about it. Sometimes a few voices can give a distorted view of the actual group.

If you read my email box, you'd think 95% of Footballguys subscribers hate Footballguys. The reality is people rarely write when they like something. They often write when they are unhappy with something.

Same for the Shark Pool. If you read it, you'd think 80% of Fantasy Football players play IDP Dynasty leagues. That's because guys who play IDP Dynasty leagues are more into it than regular FF players and they post a lot. Same thing. 

For the how much mind share to give them and whether they're healthy, I think that's a tougher question. I don't want to ignore things people are talking about. But I also don't want to spend too much time on something that is a fringe thing. It's a challenge. 

 
I guess most sci-fi writers are in trouble too.
That's likely an important part of the discussion too. 

I'm just speculating here, but my guess is that it's more than just not having experience.

It's specific to not having experience as a race or group seen as disenfranchised or discriminated against or held down.

 
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It reminds me a bit of the ongoing debate many ELA teachers are having about To Kill a Mockingbird. On one hand, it’s a great novel and there are some wonderful lessons to be learned. On the other hand, it’s typically the definitive novel schools read about racism and it’s entirely from the  POV of white people and the black people are mostly minor characters who are just there to setup the white people to act good or evil. POV is important when reading for purposes beyond pure entertainment imo.

 
I'm sure we've all read books or watched movies or TV shows that get into topics that we personally know a lot about.  When the writing seems unrealistic, it can be really annoying and impact your opinion of the overall experience.  At least it can do that for me.

I assume if this lack of realism is about race and culture, it can seem 100 times worse.

 
It reminds me a bit of the ongoing debate many ELA teachers are having about To Kill a Mockingbird. On one hand, it’s a great novel and there are some wonderful lessons to be learned. On the other hand, it’s typically the definitive novel schools read about racism and it’s entirely from the  POV of white people and the black people are mostly minor characters who are just there to setup the white people to act good or evil. POV is important when reading for purposes beyond pure entertainment imo.
I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I despise TKAM.  My criticism is a little different than yours -- first it takes a complicated issue and grossly over-simplifies it, and second I hate characters like Atticus Finch who too "good" to be interesting.  But I'll join forces with anybody who wants to get this one out of the curriculum.  

I'd go with Invisible Man instead, but I'm sure there are lots of good alternatives.

 
It seems like if money was not involved then there would be no issue.  The fact this person wrote a fiction book that is making money is making people that have lived something similar to the fiction mad that they are not reaping the benefits of the story.  They believe they deserve some of the rewards of the story even though it was a fictional story.

 
I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I despise TKAM.  My criticism is a little different than yours -- first it takes a complicated issue and grossly over-simplifies it, and second I hate characters like Atticus Finch who too "good" to be interesting.  But I'll join forces with anybody who wants to get this one out of the curriculum.  

I'd go with Invisible Man instead, but I'm sure there are lots of good alternatives.
I also agree with those criticisms but I suppose it’s those simplicities that make it young adult literature.

 
And if I'm understanding the argument, it seems like it's a similar thing with food where people are criticized if they have a restaurant offering food that is not aligned with their race. 
Boy, you're not kidding.  This one is mind boggling to me.  Couple of Portland gals went down to Mexico, observed how they made their tortillas by hand, perfected the recipe, opened a food cart serving breakfast burritos to wild success, then got profiled by a local paper doing a review and all hell broke loose.  Screams of "cultural appropriation" were hurled their way, they received death threats and shut it all down out of fear.  

We live in confusing times.  Feel like there are people out there whose sole job is to find things to get outraged about and then scream about it until others are outraged too.  Life's too short, man.  Enjoy a good breakfast burrito when and where ever you can.  Who cares who makes it.  If it tastes great, it could be made by a giraffe and I'd be plenty thankful.

 
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I think pure lack of experience would not be a reason to discount it.  Some of the criticism mentioned in the article is that it traffics in "tropes and caraciatures," which is where I would start to have an issue with a novel.  If an author without experience can write about it beyond stereotypes, great; if not, they should write about something else.

I remember some controversy over Jonathan Franzen's Purity a couple of years ago, where he was attacked for his female characters being kind of thin and stereotypical.  He mounted a "hey, I can write about women even though I'm a man" defense, which is true, but I don't think that changes the fact that the criticism was pretty fair about the book.

 
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I voted "somewhat disagree" as I do not believe it's necessary for a writer to "stay in their lane" as creativity is part of their craft. I feel the same when people are critical about an actor playing another race or sexual orientation or when a healthy actor plays a physically handicapped person - it's part of their craft to become some one else.

The reason I don't go to "completely" is that as a white male I'm not sure I can just outright dismiss concerns coming from outside my race about issues that matter to the races subjected to said "injustice".

As for the phenomenon of "cultural appropriation" and "staying in one's lane" this is not a new thing. It's been going on for a long time. It's just that social media and the internet has created a much bigger oil field for protestors to throw their matches on. As a kid I remember plenty of baseball players giving grief to sports writers that did not know what they were talking about because "they never played the game". Elvis Presley was the King of Rock and Roll but he was also accused at appropriating black music, and making a ton of money off of it while poor blues musicians were living under bridges. Punks "stole" the Mohawk from the Native American Mohawks. Italian crooners like Dino Paul Crocetti and Anthony Dominick Benedetto became the Waspy sounding Dean Martin and Tony Bennett to sell more records, etc. etc. etc.

 
I voted "somewhat disagree" as I do not believe it's necessary for a writer to "stay in their lane" as creativity is part of their craft. I feel the same when people are critical about an actor playing another race or sexual orientation or when a healthy actor plays a physically handicapped person - it's part of their craft to become some one else.

The reason I don't go to "completely" is that as a white male I'm not sure I can just outright dismiss concerns coming from outside my race about issues that matter to the races subjected to said "injustice".

As for the phenomenon of "cultural appropriation" and "staying in one's lane" this is not a new thing. It's been going on for a long time. It's just that social media and the internet has created a much bigger oil field for protestors to throw their matches on. As a kid I remember plenty of baseball players giving grief to sports writers that did not know what they were talking about because "they never played the game". Elvis Presley was the King of Rock and Roll but he was also accused at appropriating black music, and making a ton of money off of it while poor blues musicians were living under bridges. Punks "stole" the Mohawk from the Native American Mohawks. Italian crooners like Dino Paul Crocetti and Anthony Dominick Benedetto became the Waspy sounding Dean Martin and Tony Bennett to sell more records, etc. etc. etc.
But is this anger over cultural appropriation limited to just white people who borrow and/or profit from other ethnicities/cultures?  

Let's go back to the food example.  If instead of two white ladies opening a breakfast burrito stand after a trip to Mexico it was two black women who proudly revealed to the newspaper that they perfected their homemade tortillas after watching the women of the Mexican village make them by hand.  Would the outrage have still rained down on them, forcing them to close out of fear?  

I know there's no way for you to know that, I'm just curious if outrage over cultural appropriation has a narrow focus over who is doing the appropriation.  

 
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But is this anger over cultural appropriation limited to just white people who borrow and/or profit from other ethnicities/cultures?  

Let's go back to the food example.  If instead of two white ladies opening a breakfast burrito stand after a trip to Mexico it was two black women who proudly revealed to the newspaper that they perfected their homemade tortillas after watching the women of the Mexican village make them by hand.  Would the outrage of still rained down on them, forcing them to close out of fear?  

I know there's no way for you to know that, I'm just curious if outrage over cultural appropriation has a narrow focus over who is doing the appropriation.  


i'd say roughly 75% of the pizza joints here are now owned/operated by non-Italians ... mostly Arabic or Egyptian proprietors these days (and i'm not just talkin' Domnos or other franchises).

never once saw a huge "misappropriation!!!" outcry over that.  

 
i'd say roughly 75% of the pizza joints here are now owned/operated by non-Italians ... mostly Arabic or Egyptian proprietors these days (and i'm not just talkin' Domnos or other franchises).

never once saw a huge "misappropriation!!!" outcry over that.  
Yeah, my son's Asian friend's family owns a very successful Mexican food restaurant in town.  Never once heard a peep from anybody claiming cultural appropriation at Raul's.  

 
But is this anger over cultural appropriation limited to just white people who borrow and/or profit from other ethnicities/cultures?  
Most examples would fall into that category - but I've seen some outlier cases here and there (i.e. Asians stealing black culture as one example).

As to the restaurant examples - my feelings on it are the same that I expressed about writers and actors. Chefs are artists in their own right and should be able to place their spin (or even flat out authentic take) on any kind of ethnic food they want. I'm Italian but my favorite Italian restaurant is owned and operated by Albanians (although admittedly that's not too far off geographically or culinary-wise in the first place).

I do think the outrage is misguided - but it's same as day one. Just a bigger platform now.

 
Yeah, my son's Asian friend's family owns a very successful Mexican food restaurant in town.  Never once heard a peep from anybody claiming cultural appropriation at Raul's.  
we have a phenomenon up here where we are seeing storefront  Chinese wok joints starting to serve Mexican fare ... it's a most curious gastronomic business hybrid - the usual fast Chinese grub, with a full "Taco Bell" style menu also available, for variety. 

no outcries yet on that count, either. 

 
I remember a pretty big flame fest here regarding Detroit's Lebanese food culture implying that no place on the planet short of Lebanon could house such awesomeness.  People can get so territorial over the oddest stuff.

 
I remember a pretty big flame fest here regarding Detroit's Lebanese food culture implying that no place on the planet short of Lebanon could house such awesomeness.  People can get so territorial over the oddest stuff.
Could vs should are two different conversations imo. The food appropriation thing is mostly insane to me. The main reason I think it is appropriate to have backlash for appropriation is in cases where there’s massive bias favoring the appropriators over the authentic. So Elvis did black music and black dance moves which is fine. The issue is that mainstream society wouldn’t have accepted Elvis in the same way if he was black. So that’s a case where it really was some BS.

 
Could vs should are two different conversations imo. The food appropriation thing is mostly insane to me. The main reason I think it is appropriate to have backlash for appropriation is in cases where there’s massive bias favoring the appropriators over the authentic. So Elvis did black music and black dance moves which is fine. The issue is that mainstream society wouldn’t have accepted Elvis in the same way if he was black. So that’s a case where it really was some BS.
Yeah, i didn't phrase that exactly right.  Point was making was similar.  In that people think they have the right to deem certain things authentic or not regardless of the merits, but based on the origination.  

 
i'd say roughly 75% of the pizza joints here are now owned/operated by non-Italians ... mostly Arabic or Egyptian proprietors these days (and i'm not just talkin' Domnos or other franchises).

never once saw a huge "misappropriation!!!" outcry over that.  
On kindof a tangent, but I was talking to my old man about a pizza place I eat at downtown.  He asked if it was authentic Italian and sounded really snotty about it. The place he used to get pizza from when I lived at home was something super italian sounding like Luigi's or Mario's.  Says he went to school with the guy that ran it.  The guy's last name was totally Irish.

 
I feel that a book or film attempting to portray a real-life situation is absolutely fair game for rational criticism if it does not come across as authentic. But if the author is able to put together research and interviews to arrive at a final product that resonates with those who are familiar with the situation, then the author's lack of experience is obviously not a factor and shouldn't even be brought up. In this case, it appears to be the first scenario, and that's why I voted completely agree.

Having said that, though, I feel it's entirely inappropriate for people to tell other people what they can and cannot write about. And it's also way outside the scope of criticism to start trying to get this author blacklisted, publicly shamed, threatened, etc. In my mind the criticism should serve a simple purpose: to inform people on whether or not this is a product for them. If accuracy is vital to you as a reader, this book is probably best avoided. If you're just looking for entertainment value, then by all means have at it.

As in most cases where people become offended about something they shouldn't take personally, it's going way too far when they start trying to get others fired from their jobs or ostracized from society. It's simple... they should just let their wallets do the talking and not financially support someone they have an issue with. How hard is that?

 
On kindof a tangent, but I was talking to my old man about a pizza place I eat at downtown.  He asked if it was authentic Italian and sounded really snotty about it. The place he used to get pizza from when I lived at home was something super italian sounding like Luigi's or Mario's.  Says he went to school with the guy that ran it.  The guy's last name was totally Irish.
he may have had an Italian mom ... that "mixed" marriage, though frowned upon mightily by both sides for decades, was not too uncommon ... i happen to be a by-product (Italian father/Irish mom) of one such unholy union. 

 
he may have had an Italian mom ... that "mixed" marriage, though frowned upon mightily by both sides for decades, was not too uncommon ... i happen to be a by-product (Italian father/Irish mom) of one such unholy union. 
Irish-Americans and Italians-Americans go together like beer and fried calamari.  

 
I guess most sci-fi writers are in trouble too.
You joke, but one of my first thoughts on reading this article was that if the author had written this as sci-fi, fantasy, etc. - take the problem being examined and put it in a different setting/context -  there would have been less likelihood of this kind of backlash.

Given the author's actual approach, you'd better have your research done and taken great pains to be as authentic and true to the subject as you can, or you will (rightly in my opinion) come under criticism for your execution. The author isn't helping herself any by expressing getting paid was her main motivation in writing this.

 

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