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***2020 Democrat Primary/Caucus Thread*** Biden Is Your Demoractic Nominee (2 Viewers)
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Shula-holic
Footballguy
And consistently ahead of Warren. Where is Warren going to pass Sanders? I at least get the theory behind Pete and Biden, they fight it out. Biden believes demographically he can make a comeback.. I get the Bloomberg theory as well and the possibility Biden is very weak. But for Warren, I see her as competing on the left with Bernie and very little hope of overtaking him. She goes on because she's 3rd, but odds wise to win the nomination she's way down the pecking order in my eyes now.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
I know they're all on the same team anyway and it's all just for show, but I hope the DNC enjoys another 4 from Trump. I feel I have a pretty firm pulse on the Bernie community. Very few are going to move to Pete.
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
I have zero faith in the DNC. What a 
timschochet
Footballguy
In terms of running against Trump, I completely agree. And personally I would prefer Pete.
But it's a pretty big "aside". Pete has zero support. Which means he's not going to win a single southern state. How does he win the nomination?
And let's not try to hide the elephant in the room. Older black voters don't like Pete Buttigieg. Part of it is his record on race issues in South Bend. But part of it is, unfortunately, because he is gay.
That might be OK if younger black voters liked Pete, but they seem to prefer a progressive candidate like Bernie.
The Commish
Footballguy
Does this sort of thing matter to you now or are you just pointing it out?Bernie of course getting hosed on delegates right out the gate and winning the popular vote.
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TripItUp
Footballguy
One concern is that both progressives (Warren and Sanders) comprise a huge percentage of the delegates and popular vote. That scares the hell out of me for the future of our country and the Democratic party.
Very happy to see Pete and Klobuchar showing relatively well.
Very happy to see Pete and Klobuchar showing relatively well.
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timschochet
Footballguy
Sure. I'm so good at this right?
Bernie in 1st place.
Warren a close second.
Buttigieg third.
Biden out of the top 3 again in 4th, Amy in 5th.
The Commish
Footballguy
This was exactly my thought....as you can see from this thread, the initial, incomplete totals are being taken as gospel.
TripItUp
Footballguy
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
If I'm a "pro-trump" guy or whatever tf this forum calls them these days, I'm sleeping much more peacefully after these results.
Max Power
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
You forgot my personal favorite twist in 2020:
@Otis makes a startling discovery when he realizes that eating healthy and exercise does in fact impact health and weight loss.
timschochet
Footballguy
I've been saying for over ten years that eventually the Democratic Party will go very progressive and the nation will as well. This is inevitable, due to a combination of demographics, the threat of climate change, and the incredible stupidity of the Republican party by pursuing a nativist agenda, even before Donald Trump.
I didn't expect it to be in 2020, and it may mean the re-election of Trump as white conservatives make one last desperate gasp for control. But that's all it will be: a last gasp. The future belongs to the ideas of Bernie Sanders. Better get used to it. I'm resigned.
ren hoek
Footballguy
Good news folks, I missed this. Apparently the totally unbiased Perez DNC is handling the results. //
Kendall Karson @kendallkarson
One Democratic official I spoke to is being told that the DNC is "taking over" the accounting of results. The official said this that to their knowledge, this has never happened before. We're expecting an announcement from IDP Chair Troy Price at 345 pm CT/ 445 pm ET
Kendall Karson @kendallkarson
One Democratic official I spoke to is being told that the DNC is "taking over" the accounting of results. The official said this that to their knowledge, this has never happened before. We're expecting an announcement from IDP Chair Troy Price at 345 pm CT/ 445 pm ET
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
hagmania
Footballguy
I posted basically the exact same stuff I did here in the big /r/politics Iowa megathread. Immediately two replies:
https://i.imgur.com/R2IuaN7.png
For the record, my response to "progressive purists" was as follows:
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
TripItUp
Footballguy
The immigrant population is a huge problem, including their influence on politics. Socialism does not work and they are turning us that way.
It will be the end of our greatness if we don't stop that political trend.
I was a clear Democrat 30 years ago...now it feels like I'm solid right at times.
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rockaction
Footballguy
I said you probably needed to relax just a bit with NH coming up, but I don't see how anybody can take these results without a heap of salt.
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
hagmania
Footballguy
You're still welcome to be a part of this great nation even after AI and robots take your job.
TripItUp
Footballguy
I'll be retired and hiding my money from the socialists when that happens.You're still welcome to be a part of this great nation even after AI and robots take your job.
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hagmania
Footballguy
Carry on, wish you all the best, hope the right loses every national election from here to eternity.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
That's a nice idea, but at this point the younger people all in on Bernie don't care for the superficial jumps in what you are calling "progressivism". Just because we put a gay individual or a woman as the face of our nation doesn't make it progressive. At the end of the day, it's about policy, and Pete is certainly not that. It's Bernie, and maybe Liz to a lesser degree. That's it.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I'm reluctant to make long-run predictions about politics because they usually end up being wrong -- in 1965 nobody would have predicted that Goldwaterism would take control of the GOP and win multiple elections easily -- but my take is a little different. I see the parties becoming even more racially aligned, with the GOP being the white party and the Democrats being the party of everybody else. Republicans will follow their European peers by embracing a welfare state model, which sort of negates the Sanders effect. In other words, both parties will be more economically left than they are now. The difference will be that Democrats will still be a little further left economically than Republicans, and identetarian issues will be more of a defining difference.
Shula-holic
Footballguy
I had a response typed up to you suggesting we should be hiding money by then somewhere other than here
Widbil83
Footballguy
This might be the worst news yet for Democrats honestly. If they can’t even reach 2016 levels when they were shooting for 2008 numbers, yikes.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/2/4/21122359/iowa-democratic-caucuses-results-turnout
TripItUp
Footballguy
I think this is accurate.
Do you agree as result of this move to the left, America will lose economic power and its influence over the world, relative to what it is now?
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TripItUp
Footballguy
I don't think its a conspiracy, I think they're just trying to release the results in a fashion that is accurate and that makes sense.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
It will be interesting to see turnout next week in a primary. Caucuses are so weird. I certainly wouldn't waste a night going.
hagmania
Footballguy
Hell yeah man, I'm glad people younger than me are fired up about policy.
If we rile up enough of them to vote we'll make those big jumps.
ren hoek
Footballguy
I don't think you have to be progressive to think his handling of the South Bend PD was suspect. Nor do you have to be one to think his national security background at the Truman Center and endorsement by the foreign policy blob is evidence his views are inline with the security state. He even tweeted his support for Juan Guaido, the self-declared fake president in Venezuela. The fact that establishment insiders, corporate news pundits, and virtually every billionaire under the sun is in love with this guy are an indication that he will serve the most powerful in this country.
This same group hates Sanders. And they're in love with Pete. By all means support who you like, but there is a 100% night & day contrast between the two of them.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I agree but it also gives Trump even more leverage if he loses the election to call BS. He had threatened it before and now he has a solid example of Democratic election shenanigans. This all seems headed for disaster.
TripItUp
Footballguy
I think they've recovered somewhat well here...and trust me, I'm not a fan of the Democratic party.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
The Iowa Democratic Party is incompetent. That's been the consistent theme of the past 24 hours.
caustic
Footballguy
Not a good number but I'll wait to see some other states' figures before sounding the alarm -- Democrats have become significantly weaker in rural areas over the last 12 years, so it doesn't necessarily surprise me that they can't reach 2008 levels in a predominantly rural state like IA.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Maybe but I don't think a reasonable take matters much. Most people are going to remember, the Democratic Primary in Iowa was fishy and Trump will be sure to point that over and over.
Rove!
Footballguy
Still plenty of room on the Trump Train. It's like the debt. it's always growing and never shrinks.I have zero faith in the DNC. What a
That one guy
Footballguy
Am I envisioning a caucus correctly, where I burst into wherever my local precinct is and proudly yell “Show me your Pete-rs!” and start high fiving Pete supporters as we congregate in our ever growing clique?
That sounds way better than a ballot box, honestly
That sounds way better than a ballot box, honestly
AAABatteries
Footballguy
What would be fantastic is if Trump helps put the final nail in Biden who he thought may be his biggest competition, only to lose to whoever steps in.
MAC_32
Footballguy
TripItUp
Footballguy
not in my opinion, Trump is winning the South...all that really matters is how Pete would do in the swing states of Florida, Michigan, etc...my understanding is that is a TBD.
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