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23 minutes ago, TripItUp said:

sure, but does this socialism trend futher or hasten that along?

And why is it being overlooked by the younger generation pushing for progressive candidates?

On your first question, I'm not sure, though there's a distinction between democratic socialism and socialism socialism, as I know you know.

I'm not sure the younger generation cares so much about America being a world superpower.  I don't think people want America to fail, but rather realize the fallacy of American exceptionalism.  Many millennials and Gen Z'ers (though they can't really vote yet) have been dealt a #### hand financially.  We (millennials) will be the first generation to have a bleaker financial future outlook than our parents.  And with every passing generation, people become more and more socially progressive.  We like immigrants, we like LGBTQ+ people, we believe in religious freedom, etc.  Personally, I don't give a #### if I have 5% more in my paycheck if it means we're doing genuinely better for the less fortunate in society.  In summation, I don't think it's being overlooked by younger voters, it's just that we have other things that we care about more.  Just my two cents.

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Just now, sho nuff said:

Clearly he was listening to the dnc in his earpiece.

 

I have no idea...it was the worst coin flip i have ever seen.  

So you don't have an explanation. Could have just said so.

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Here’s one problem I see with Bloomberg: he can’t unite the party. 

I can see the Bernie Bros reluctantly supporting Buttigieg, Warren, Klobuchar, even Biden if that’s who the nominee is. But Bloomberg who they regard as an oligarch and member of Bernie’s hated “billionaire class”? I fear they would stay home in large numbers. Some of them would probably hope Donald Trump won, just in order to repudiate the centrist element within the Democratic Party. 

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Just now, ShamrockPride said:

So you don't have an explanation. Could have just said so.

I mean i don't have an explanation for how he flipped and caught it strangely either.  Clearly it must be the dnc rigging it against Bernie then.

Thats my whole point...that mess of a kid flipping that coin isn't evidence of anything.  Also...we probably should not decide things based on amy coin flip anyway.  

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3 minutes ago, ShamrockPride said:

Explain what he's doing turning over the coin after he's placed it in his hand. Please, I'm pretty confused. Maybe you could clear things up for me.

My take is the kid is panicking being under the spotlight.  

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5 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

Don’t forget Bloomberg.

Why exactly is the DNC allowing Bloomberg to debate Friday night in New Hampshire when he’s not even on the ballot?

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3 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Here’s one problem I see with Bloomberg: he can’t unite the party. 

I can see the Bernie Bros reluctantly supporting Buttigieg, Warren, Klobuchar, even Biden if that’s who the nominee is. But Bloomberg who they regard as an oligarch and member of Bernie’s hated “billionaire class”? I fear they would stay home in large numbers. Some of them would probably hope Donald Trump won, just in order to repudiate the centrist element within the Democratic Party. 

I don't think anybody besides Bernie is getting the hard core Bernie vote.  Everybody else will sign on to whoever the nominee is.

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Just now, Widbil83 said:

Why exactly is the DNC allowing Bloomberg to debate Friday night in New Hampshire when he’s not even on the ballot?

They aren’t.

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2 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

Why exactly is the DNC allowing Bloomberg to debate Friday night in New Hampshire when he’s not even on the ballot?

Money talks

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3 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Here’s one problem I see with Bloomberg: he can’t unite the party. 

I can see the Bernie Bros reluctantly supporting Buttigieg, Warren, Klobuchar, even Biden if that’s who the nominee is. But Bloomberg who they regard as an oligarch and member of Bernie’s hated “billionaire class”? I fear they would stay home in large numbers. Some of them would probably hope Donald Trump won, just in order to repudiate the centrist element within the Democratic Party. 

Yeah I’ve been thinking about that exact scenario.  Bernie has the most delegates to the convention, but only a plurality not a majority.  And then Bloomberg swoops in and spends a zillion dollars and manages to wrest the nomination away from Bernie.   That would not go well.

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40 minutes ago, TripItUp said:

sure, but does this socialism trend futher or hasten that along?

And why is it being overlooked by the younger generation pushing for progressive candidates?

Just stop.  You know how many times you've typed SOCIALISM in the last 24 hours?

No type of real socialism is rearing its head in this country. Not a chance. The two party structure that is completely controlled by corporate america and special interests will never let it happen.

Regulated capitalism is what we might ultimately get with Warren or Sanders. We can only hope that our elected officials actually protect us from corporations destroying the environment or trying to screw us over financially with predatory practices.   

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7 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

I don't think anybody besides Bernie is getting the hard core Bernie vote.  Everybody else will sign on to whoever the nominee is.

I like tim.  But the dems support is rigid.  And liberals get the bullet first.  That's your team.

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1 minute ago, urbanhack said:

Just stop.  You know how many times you've typed SOCIALISM in the last 24 hours?

No type of real socialism is rearing its head in this country. Not a chance. The two party structure that is completely controlled by corporate america and special interests will never let it happen.

Regulated capitalism is what we might ultimately get with Warren or Sanders. We can only hope that our elected officials actually protect us from corporations destroying the environment or trying to screw us over financially with predatory practices.   

He knows and he’s been doing it for a long time.  Just ignore him.

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9 minutes ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

Yeah I’ve been thinking about that exact scenario.  Bernie has the most delegates to the convention, but only a plurality not a majority.  And then Bloomberg swoops in and spends a zillion dollars and manages to wrest the nomination away from Bernie.   That would not go well.

Yeah and I’d be mad as hell for weeks and then happily vote for him because well, Trump.

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41 minutes ago, Nipsey said:

They might not release any more results tonight? Why are they not just releasing results as they certify them? What is up with this arbitrary rollout? This is absurd.

This is the absurd part?

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35 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Here’s one problem I see with Bloomberg: he can’t unite the party. 

I can see the Bernie Bros reluctantly supporting Buttigieg, Warren, Klobuchar, even Biden if that’s who the nominee is. But Bloomberg who they regard as an oligarch and member of Bernie’s hated “billionaire class”? I fear they would stay home in large numbers. Some of them would probably hope Donald Trump won, just in order to repudiate the centrist element within the Democratic Party. 

There's a faction of the Bernie Bros who won't support anyone but Bernie. You can't win them over. Apparently there is a faction of these people who back Bernie but then somehow voted for Trump over Hillary. Why do you bother trying to figure them out?

Bloomberg (or any good moderate candidate) will more than make up these votes by appealing to the normal voter who doesn't pay attention, doesn't care to follow this stuff but thinks Trump is an idiot/scumbag and doesn't want 4 more years of this but also thinks Bernie and Warren are too far left.

Isn't this "moderate appeal" the only thing that Biden can hang his hat on? It's not like anyone is inspired to vote for him or likes listening to him.

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37 minutes ago, The General said:

Bloomberg is a perfect transition from this Trump fiasco we find ourselves in. 

I’m basically here.  He may be the only candidate who could win the general.  

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7 minutes ago, ShamrockPride said:

I can't tell if this map means Bernie still has a chance?

I've heard some say it's just a map of population centers...

NYT has a pretty good map of where state delegates remain: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/02/03/us/elections/results-iowa-caucus-live-forecast.html?action=click&auth=login-google&module=ELEX_results&pgtype=Interactive&region=Navigation

 

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"I visited Shadow Inc.’s address listed in the Iowa Dems’ disclosure filings. It led to a WeWork in this trendy Washington alley (steps from Maydan and La Colombe). But a receptionist told me Shadow moved out last month to an unknown destination. ???"

 

https://twitter.com/b_fung/status/1224748898864041984

 

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1 hour ago, The General said:

Pete and her probably best combo for our sensible buyers.

Maybe but Pete might need some more testing before he’s road ready. 

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1 hour ago, The General said:

Pretty depressing that moderate Dems are left with this lot.

Biden - was not good at running for Prez when he was in his prime.

Pete - he's great speaker and all but a Mayor from South Bend Indiana.  

Klobuchar - like getting excited about purchasing a Camry.

For ####s sake Dems.

:lmao:

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The Iowa Caucus coverage on MSNBC is going great-

MSNBC’s @ZerlinaMaxwell:

“The Iowa caucus is the perfect example of systemic racism. 91% of the voters in Iowa are white. The reason why you see a drop in turnout, I’m just speculating here, it could be perhaps that white children are not in the cages...”

https://twitter.com/dailycaller/status/1224746735542657024?s=21

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3 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

The Iowa Caucus coverage on MSNBC is going great-

MSNBC’s @ZerlinaMaxwell:

“The Iowa caucus is the perfect example of systemic racism. 91% of the voters in Iowa are white. The reason why you see a drop in turnout, I’m just speculating here, it could be perhaps that white children are not in the cages...”

https://twitter.com/dailycaller/status/1224746735542657024?s=21

Might push “those people” not to vote Dem and maybe go GOP.

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1 hour ago, Capella said:

When is the last time Florida wasn’t a key swing state? 

Meant to italicize “the key swing state”. That’s only happened once, in 2000. Other times it was important but not decisive. 

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1 hour ago, Nipsey said:

They might not release any more results tonight? Why are they not just releasing results as they certify them? What is up with this arbitrary rollout? This is absurd.

What a joke lol

1 hour ago, dkp993 said:

Seriously. When your only choices are this group or Trump (to quote Easy Wind) “You know you’ve done stepped in some ####”.  
 

Is this seriously the best the greatest country on earth with 300+ million people can produce? Unbelievable. 

It really is unbelievable

turrible

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36 minutes ago, zoonation said:

I’m basically here.  He may be the only candidate who could win the general.  

What is his route to winning? He’s getting in too late. 

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Just now, Capella said:

What is his route to winning? He’s getting in too late. 

I'm sure it's better explained in articles but I think it goes like Pete wins Iowa, Bernie NH, Biden NH. Bloomberg does well on Super Tuesday because of chaos and no front runner candidate. He gains steam as a safe bet to beat Trump which is the main goal.

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19 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

The Iowa Caucus coverage on MSNBC is going great-

MSNBC’s @ZerlinaMaxwell:

“The Iowa caucus is the perfect example of systemic racism. 91% of the voters in Iowa are white. The reason why you see a drop in turnout, I’m just speculating here, it could be perhaps that white children are not in the cages...”

https://twitter.com/dailycaller/status/1224746735542657024?s=21

This is totally sane and not all an in-kind contribution to the Trump campaign.

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23 minutes ago, Widbil83 said:

The Iowa Caucus coverage on MSNBC is going great-

MSNBC’s @ZerlinaMaxwell:

“The Iowa caucus is the perfect example of systemic racism. 91% of the voters in Iowa are white. The reason why you see a drop in turnout, I’m just speculating here, it could be perhaps that white children are not in the cages...”

https://twitter.com/dailycaller/status/1224746735542657024?s=21

There we go

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1 hour ago, Amused to Death said:

CNN (Erin Burnett) saying more results are coming tonight.

I don’t understand why precincts are reporting in even if they are doing it manually.Why are they stuck at 62%? Almost as crazy as the original fiasco. Keep working around the clock and get it done.

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18 minutes ago, lazyike said:

I don’t understand why precincts are reporting in even if they are doing it manually.Why are they stuck at 62%? Almost as crazy as the original fiasco. Keep working around the clock and get it done.

Something major is wrong in the process, this can no longer be simply a reporting issue.  They could have reported results by courier now.  

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3 hours ago, Max Power said:

That was the plan all along.  :tinfoilhat:

Doesn't seem like a very good plan.  Have you noticed the makeup of those wishcasting a conspiracy here in the PSF?  Definitely not a good look from "Russia" to people suddenly caring about the popular vote instead of what matters in the percentages to people thinking this is a huge win for Trump somehow.  Many of the posts from today belong in Joe's hypocrisy thread as examples.

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Nevada Democratic Party abandons problematic app used in Iowa caucuses

The Nevada Democratic Party said Tuesday that it will not use Shadow Inc., the maker of the app that caused reporting issues in the Iowa caucuses, to power its state caucuses later this month, despite already paying tens of thousands of dollars to the Democrat-affiliated technology company.

In a statement, state Democratic Party Chairman William McCurdy II promised that Nevada's caucuses on February 22 will not be a repeat of Iowa's.

"We will not be employing the same app or vendor used in the Iowa caucus," he said. "We had already developed a series of backups and redundant reporting systems, and are currently evaluating the best path forward."

A person familiar with the Iowa app had previously told CNN that Nevada was also expected to use Shadow's software in a matter of weeks. 

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2 minutes ago, tonydead said:

:lmao: They still havent figured it out. 

You expected them to?

Meanwhile they are chanting  "4 more years!!" as we speak.

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Biden, Buttigieg or Klobacher  got to be the candidate.  Bernie aint gonna turn them out.  Old people scared of him.

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1 minute ago, Daywalker said:

Biden, Buttigieg or Klobacher  got to be the candidate.  Bernie aint gonna turn them out.  Old people scared of him.

Then I would counter, young people scared of them.

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6 minutes ago, ShamrockPride said:

Then I would counter, young people scared of them.

If they dont come out regardless dems dont deserve to win.  The moderate candidate has more upside plus safer.

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33 minutes ago, GoBirds said:

You expected them to?

Meanwhile they are chanting  "4 more years!!" as we speak.

Country has gone to h### in a hand basket. Might as well continue the trend.

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40 minutes ago, Daywalker said:

Klobacher the best candidate.  Has the least amount of “negatives.”

And almost no positives. 

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2 minutes ago, mcintyre1 said:

And almost no positives. 

smart and moderate

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1 minute ago, mcintyre1 said:

And almost no positives. 

Toyota Camry

Solid, dependable, not gonna leave you stranded

But might get stolen for parts

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Vegas has Bernie as a significant favorite to win the D nom fwiw 

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2 minutes ago, Capella said:

Vegas has Bernie as a significant favorite to win the D nom fwiw 

Can you actually bet on a presidential election in vegas?

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18 minutes ago, Capella said:

Vegas has Bernie as a significant favorite to win the D nom fwiw 

Not happening. Too much going against him. Including every coin flip known to man.

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3 minutes ago, ShamrockPride said:

Not happening. Too much going against him. Including every coin flip known to man.

Vegas has a pretty good track record with these kind of things.  They aren’t fond of losing money.

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