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I don't think Pelosi's actions mean much in the end. The outcome of the presidential race is already cast in stone. Whichever democratic candidate ends up being the nominee doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of beating Trump.

The dynamic is humongous (& growing). Much of the cause of it falls on their own shoulders.

 

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6 minutes ago, Bozeman Bruiser said:

1. Pelosi ripping up the program was a disgrace.

2. It helps Trump because Americans saw first-hand how petty and deranged Nancy and the Democrats have become.

Trump is going to steamroll whatever wet blanket the Dems nominate and everyone knows it. I fully expect the tantrums to escalate to the point of rage and violence. (And right on cue there is Captain Cranks calling for rage and hate)

Approval of Trump's SOTU (CBS poll)

97% of Republicans

30% of Democrats

82% of Independents

 

Bottom line is that this country is doing great right now and the Democrats HATE it. If blacks, Hispanics, women, gays, middle class are doing well then they don't need the Democratic Party. 

For the die hards it is tough to admit they have been wrong about virtually everything for four years. And even harder to admit they fell for propaganda designed to destroy this country.

I believe in the American people though, they will overcome this era of hate and division sewn by a media and group of politicians who despise our country and our Constitution.

Nancy is done though. I think her ripping up the program was symbolic of that. 

Amazingly that's the same approval percentages as last year's speech.

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She ripped up paper. Its not like she took money from a kids with cancer charity. NOW we're supposed to worry about decorum? This entire administration has been over the line. I certainly wish we were better politically then we are, but here we are. Once again, the Dems are held to a higher standard than the president.

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6 minutes ago, Bozeman Bruiser said:

What lies?

I see this parroted by the haters. Even CNN acknowledged the speech rather than their usual bull#### "fact checking".

:confused: 

They did fact check it:

CNN‏ @CNN 15h15 hours ago

President Trump has given his annual State of the Union. Here's a fact check of his claims. #sotu

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/04/politics/fact-check-trump-state-of-the-union-2020/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_content=2020-02-05T03%3A31%3A28&utm_source=twCNN&utm_medium=social

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Definitely over the line but whether it hurts depends on what you mean by hurts.  Does it hurt whoever the D nominee is in defeating Trump?  Probably not.  Does it hurt in further dividing us and normalizing petty behavior in politics?  Yes.  I assume the former and voted no impact.

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37 minutes ago, Football Jones said:

I don't think Pelosi's actions mean much in the end. The outcome of the presidential race is already cast in stone. Whichever democratic candidate ends up being the nominee doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of beating Trump.

The dynamic is humongous (& growing). Much of the cause of it falls on their own shoulders.

 

What are you basing that on?  I do agree that the most important factor from here on out is who the nominee is - the only problem is I'm not sure anybody really knows or understands all the variables which impacts who will do well.

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15 minutes ago, squistion said:

:confused: 

They did fact check it:

CNN‏ @CNN 15h15 hours ago

President Trump has given his annual State of the Union. Here's a fact check of his claims. #sotu

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/04/politics/fact-check-trump-state-of-the-union-2020/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_content=2020-02-05T03%3A31%3A28&utm_source=twCNN&utm_medium=social

I didn't even need to listen or read the transcript to know that a compulsive liar would lie.

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I don't blame Joe for starting this thread -- it's clearly a hot topic of conversation today -- but I hate getting dragged into discussions like this. In a vaccuum, yes, I think it was inappropriate and that she shouldn't have done it. But I'm also wary anytime the right-wing cranks up the outrage machine over issues like this or the Baron Trump "joke" during the impeachment hearings. (Witness the ridiculous notion that tearing up a piece of paper with words written about the military on it is equivalent to "ripping up the military".) It's all done in such transparent bad faith that to even engage the argument is to validate the right's disingenuous strategy.

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53 minutes ago, Sheriff Bart said:

She should have taken a Sharpie, crossed out all of mistruths, then handed it to him. 

I take it back, she shouldn't have handed it to him, she should have slammed it down in front of him with both hands while looking up screaming "THIS IS MY HOUSE!!!!".

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Just heard on POTUS radio this morning that Nancy Pelosi may have broken the law and a US code  by tearing up the speech.  18US Code 2071, and they also named another code than I did not remember and could possible be removed from congress if they proceed.   Unreal....

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It's a great way for people that support the least respectful person on the planet and who are constantly calling other people easily triggered snowflakes to do what they do and get triggered over something minor and talk about a lack of respect in others, so I guess it probably helped Trump more than anything.

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2 minutes ago, Summer Wheat said:

Just heard on POTUS radio this morning that Nancy Pelosi may have broken the law and a US code  by tearing up the speech.  18US Code 2071, and they also named another code than I did not remember and could possible be removed from congress if they proceed.   Unreal....

I think the appropriate response should be "yeah she did something wrong, but she learned her lesson and won't do it again". I hear that's a valid response.

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1 minute ago, Amused to Death said:

I think the appropriate response should be "yeah she did something wrong, but she learned her lesson and won't do it again". I hear that's a valid response.

IT WAS A PERFECT TEAR! CONGRESSIONAL HARASSMENT!

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4 minutes ago, Amused to Death said:

I think the appropriate response should be "yeah she did something wrong, but she learned her lesson and won't do it again". I hear that's a valid response.

IT WAS A PERFECT TEAR! CONGRESSIONAL HARASSMENT!

"WE WILL RESPECT THE RULE OF LAW*!!"

*when it applies to the Dems

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26 minutes ago, Summer Wheat said:

Just heard on POTUS radio this morning that Nancy Pelosi may have broken the law and a US code  by tearing up the speech.  18US Code 2071, and they also named another code than I did not remember and could possible be removed from congress if they proceed.   Unreal....

Removed by who?

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7 minutes ago, Amused to Death said:

"WE WILL RESPECT THE RULE OF LAW*!!"

*when it applies to the Dems

Eh, if she technically broke the law I'm fine with her receiving whatever the appropriate punishment should be in cases like that (which I suspect isn't much more than a slap on the wrist).

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2 minutes ago, Mile High said:

Removed by who?

I have no idea.  This was discussed on POTUS radio and they are left leaning station.  I hope nothing happens to her.

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6 minutes ago, Mile High said:

Removed by who?

Presumably by a majority of the House, which is one reason it would never happen. (Other reason: common sense).

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19 minutes ago, zftcg said:

Presumably by a majority of the House, which is one reason it would never happen. (Other reason: common sense).

Exactly. 

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1 hour ago, AAABatteries said:

What are you basing that on?  I do agree that the most important factor from here on out is who the nominee is - the only problem is I'm not sure anybody really knows or understands all the variables which impacts who will do well.

I don't believe the democrats ever had a good chance of winning, anyway, once Trump got a foothold on the economy & employment. Without getting into politics, Trump has now become the president of the people. People like me who aren't overly political. Much of it has to do with blue's antics. All you really have to do is open your eyes to see the dynamic.

I'm an independent in theory, but I've more or less become a republican due to my disgust over a few of the left's stances. The democratic party is in trouble. It's all about the game with the vast majority of them. It's not about who can be a great POTUS, but who can beat Trump. The answer is nobody.

The bottom line is I could care less about his tweets. I simply like to see a president who can get #### done.

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I thought this was a reaction in the heat of the moment and was going to let it slide.  To hear Pelosi planned it as a show is extremely petty. 

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1 hour ago, Amused to Death said:

She ripped up paper. Its not like she took money from a kids with cancer charity. NOW we're supposed to worry about decorum? This entire administration has been over the line. I certainly wish we were better politically then we are, but here we are. Once again, the Dems are held to a higher standard than the president.

I don't think anyone believes the president has decorum.  They are held to the same standard.

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20 minutes ago, Football Jones said:

I don't believe the democrats ever had a good chance of winning, anyway, once Trump got a foothold on the economy & employment. Without getting into politics, Trump has now become the president of the people. People like me who aren't overly political. Much of it has to do with blue's antics. All you really have to do is open your eyes to see the dynamic.

I'm an independent in theory, but I've more or less become a republican due to my disgust over a few of the left's stances. The democratic party is in trouble. It's all about the game with the vast majority of them. It's not about who can be a great POTUS, but who can beat Trump. The answer is nobody.

The bottom line is I could care less about his tweets. I simply like to see a president who can get #### done.

The #### he has gotten done is the economy and jobs?  Jobs is fair and he's done great there - the economy is complex, he's done great for those of us with 401k's and money in the market.  I'm not sure how great he's been for farmers and some others.  Outside that I feel it's been a mixed bag but I have always thought the phrase "it's the economy, stupid" is almost underrated - people vote with their pocketbooks much more than their conscience.  I and most in this forum are fortunate that we can do both or neither.

 

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As someone who hasn't voted since Clinton.  I will be voting for Trump.  

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4 minutes ago, bucksoh said:

As someone who hasn't voted since Clinton.  I will be voting for Trump.  

This seems like a weird thread to state that. Is it because of Pelosi?

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They caught her on video doing a test rip under the table to make sure she was strong enough to do it in front of everyone. 🤣🤣🤣😂

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1 minute ago, Weebs210 said:

They caught her on video doing a test rip under the table to make sure she was strong enough to do it in front of everyone. 🤣🤣🤣😂

She's 150, what did you expect?

 

That said, I have no problem with it. It was a paper full of lies, why keep that around? Recycle it, then it'll be useful for something.

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1 hour ago, Summer Wheat said:

Just heard on POTUS radio this morning that Nancy Pelosi may have broken the law and a US code  by tearing up the speech.  18US Code 2071, and they also named another code than I did not remember and could possible be removed from congress if they proceed.   Unreal....

If that is the case, I guess we could remove Trump from office for that too... https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/10/trump-papers-filing-system-635164

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5 minutes ago, whoknew said:

This seems like a weird thread to state that. Is it because of Pelosi?

Yes and the Democrats in general

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2 hours ago, Bozeman Bruiser said:

1. Pelosi ripping up the program was a disgrace.

2. It helps Trump because Americans saw first-hand how petty and deranged Nancy and the Democrats have become.

Trump is going to steamroll whatever wet blanket the Dems nominate and everyone knows it. I fully expect the tantrums to escalate to the point of rage and violence. (And right on cue there is Captain Cranks calling for rage and hate)

Approval of Trump's SOTU (CBS poll)

97% of Republicans

30% of Democrats

82% of Independents

 

Bottom line is that this country is doing great right now and the Democrats HATE it. If blacks, Hispanics, women, gays, middle class are doing well then they don't need the Democratic Party. 

For the die hards it is tough to admit they have been wrong about virtually everything for four years. And even harder to admit they fell for propaganda designed to destroy this country.

I believe in the American people though, they will overcome this era of hate and division sewn by a media and group of politicians who despise our country and our Constitution.

Nancy is done though. I think her ripping up the program was symbolic of that. 

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14 minutes ago, bucksoh said:

As someone who hasn't voted since Clinton.  I will be voting for Trump.  

Dude, you have like 5,000 kids - you need to vote for whoever gives you the most free stuff.

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5 minutes ago, bucksoh said:

Yes and the Democrats in general

I understand if you'd rather not discuss it, but can you tell me what specifically it is about Pelosi and the Democrats that drives you to Trump?

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1 hour ago, Summer Wheat said:

Just heard on POTUS radio this morning that Nancy Pelosi may have broken the law and a US code  by tearing up the speech.  18US Code 2071, and they also named another code than I did not remember and could possible be removed from congress if they proceed.   Unreal....

Hopefully Trump peruses this.

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over the line.

5 minutes ago, bucksoh said:

Yes and the Democrats in general

Is there nothing that Trump has said or done that has offended you in the last few years? Calling the press the enemy of the people? Calling women dogs? Racist insults? Any of that bother you at all? Or is all that meaningless, while Pelosi ripping up the speech is just appalling?

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It was petulant and silly. But so was awarding Limbaugh the medal. Just more examples of both sides doing divisive things that annoy the rest of us that aren't part of their respective rabid fan bases. It's why we want term limits. 

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38 minutes ago, Weebs210 said:

They caught her on video doing a test rip under the table to make sure she was strong enough to do it in front of everyone. 🤣🤣🤣😂

She had to make sure she wasn't going to look more foolish than she already does.  

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39 minutes ago, whoknew said:

I understand if you'd rather not discuss it, but can you tell me what specifically it is about Pelosi and the Democrats that drives you to Trump?

The whole impeachment process is a joke and taking away from their jobs but if it wasn't for that they would be trying some other way.

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41 minutes ago, timschochet said:

over the line.

Is there nothing that Trump has said or done that has offended you in the last few years? Calling the press the enemy of the people? Calling women dogs? Racist insults? Any of that bother you at all? Or is all that meaningless, while Pelosi ripping up the speech is just appalling?

Trump is laughable.  But to me I don't watch the news or pay attention to Trump.  If a republican did what Pelosi did they would be calling for treason.  It was way over the line and shows they need new leadership in the Democratic party.

 

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59 minutes ago, Weebs210 said:

Hopefully Trump peruses this.

Why?  Do you actually think it will ho anywhere?  Really?

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12 minutes ago, bucksoh said:

Trump is laughable.  But to me I don't watch the news or pay attention to Trump.  If a republican did what Pelosi did they would be calling for treason.  It was way over the line and shows they need new leadership in the Democratic party.

 

Republicans and Trump have done far worse and people didn't call for treason.  I find that assertion to be quite with merit.

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Pelosi is laughable.  One of many divisive figures in DC that is harming the country.

Her antics last night are symbolic of everything that is wrong in DC.   

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Pro Trump and No (net) effect.

Also Not Over the Line. It was unbecoming and childish. Maybe if she had ripped up his copy that would be over the line. And awesome to watch.

To me it's ALL political theater so it's hard to get too excited about who doesn't attend, or who walks out, or who sits or doesn't clap. 

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Anti-Trump, Over the Line, Some/Minimal Effect.

Trump is over the line every single day, while Pelosi has tried to stay above the fray and "be the adult" throughout.  She shushed the applause at the vote for impeachment and held off on pursuing impeachment until the facts demanded she act.  I don't understand why at the last minute she would give in and very visibly stoop to the unprofessional level.  It was a bad look for the actual adults watching and wondering why both sides are now acting petulant (and I'll say Schiff's opening of the inquiry and the applause in the House also qualify).

In terms of votes, it probably doesn't move the meter much, but she gave up the "high ground" that she valued so much for one defiant act.  Anti-Trump liberals surely took pleasure but they are going to vote against him anyway.  For Independents, I doubt it was a positive move to win them over.

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57 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Why?  Do you actually think it will ho anywhere?  Really?

No, but either did the Dems and this sham. So may as well pay it forward.

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I find this akin to Hillary calling Trump supporters deplorables.  They were both unforced errors that can do nothing but lose votes in the next election.  

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Anyone that this moves the needle for has their priorities way out of whack, IMO.  

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15 hours ago, bucksoh said:

Yes and the Democrats in general

I don't believe you.  

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16 hours ago, Weebs210 said:

They caught her on video doing a test rip under the table to make sure she was strong enough to do it in front of everyone. 🤣🤣🤣😂

Pathetic. Makes it just look like theatre. You wanna do that I'm fine with it, but with it being inauthentic, it just makes her look like she's searching for .gifs/meme fame.

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