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My so-called 'attack' on you was in your dismissal of her as insincere based on your shallow viewpoint of the other side. I have yet to see sufficient justification to suggest she is insincere or a troll. What I see is a fairly impressive resume of a successful business woman and author in a profession which is largely dominated by social liberals. I see someone who is most likely not trolling as it will probably negatively impact her business.
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Do you not disagree with her? Calling some insincere or a troll is a cheap way to dismiss their points. That's it.
I don't disagree with everything she wrote. I certainly don't think she's lying about her experiences at the Trump rally. But that's because her experiences are in line with dozens of other first-hand accounts from Trump rallies over the past 4 years.
My take is that she’s a not-smart person.
You've taken an excellent last paragraph and subverted it with language that seems to validate what was written in the OP.
I wouldn't argue that's the case for some families.
The stuff about wearing a 'Make Speech Free Again' hat as her "small protest against cancel culture" was pretty cringe too. Not sure what to make of her motives or anything, I think she's genuine enough, but that stuck out in a "look at me" sense.
Excellent post. Particularly the first two points. Name calling and surrounding yourself with like minded people is how we've gotten in this situation. Changing hearts and minds with kindness and understanding are the only way we, all of us, get out.
I’ll have to read the thread but yeah this author is beyond naive (or this is fakish).
Dang, I'm sorry that I thought you were just goofing with the earlier post. Props to Mama Nipsey for the scoop.
100% legit. She's a heavy knitter. Kinda strange to think that in some alternate online universe she's posting away on her board. Wonder if there's any good shtick on that knitting board?
They did the same to me on here when I said I voted O show in 2008 nothing 2016 and now going Trump. I would have to be Just an ugly old troll to post that! Oh and my low post count cost me points with them too lol. Been here close to 20 years just not a heavy poster.
What was the shtickboard for women we supposedly had someone report from back in the day? The purse forum or something?
I might not be using the term right, but isn't this "identity politics"? She identifies with the members of a specific party so she's going to vote that way (instead of basing her vote on a politician's platform or something they have actually said or proposed). I just sort of started barely skimming at one point, so maybe I'm off.
And your post also explains why I feel most people who voted for Trump did so. Abortion, opposition to social programs, etc. I’ll repeat what I’ve said before - this key question for me is why did people vote for him in the primaries? There’s only two explanations that make any sense to me - either it was people who are tired of politicians or it was people who truly liked his style.
These are not mutually exclusive. There could also be people who liked his nationalistic message or his bigotry.
This is my conclusion. All evidence suggests that President Trump is wildly popular amongst Republicans. He has a 94% approval rating amongst Republicans, according to Gallup polling.
I think this is a super interesting question.
That's simply enough to answer...
I think it's exactly this.
That portion called into question everything else she wrote.
Has politics not always been about lofty promises and not so much follow through? His message is straight up populist of the nationalistic variety. It's pretty sad that y'all are succumbing to that particular rot. In Europe we've seen a few times what it leads to (not that it's been stamped out) and it's nothing good. But hey, 401K and trains on time....
I'm surprised it took this long for the tired "hey but 401 yo" shot.
Personally I would never go to a Trump, Sanders, Obama, Bush or you name the person rally.
We have also seen the results of what socialism brings which is even worse. And it is really not nationalism which is the problem but the racism/classism/anti-semitism that often accompanies it. IMHO, nationalism is a boogeyman of the left. The real culprit from the left or the right is the heavily centralized and unchecked concentration of power no matter what the excuse is for it.
Economy is a strong argument. I just have a real problem getting over the fact he describes me as a democrat, hating America and hating American values. Pretty regularly.
This, I know many people who don't love Trump but will vote for him anyways because they are personally benefiting (or in some cases, at least think they are) from Trump's policies, specifically from the economy. I don't think these are necessarily bad people, but I'd be lying if I said I don't look at them a bit differently for continuing to support a guy like Trump for their personal interest, especially those who would be well off regardless of if they were getting taxed at a higher rate.
Thanks. Understood. Can you give me a specific quote of what you mean on this? Obviously, he says a lot of negative things about Democrats. To make sure I understand you, can you give me one or two (I don't need 10) quotes? Thanks.
The main google search is largely multiple pages of Trump calling Lawmakers unAmerican and treasonous because they didn't applaud him at the SOTU. Which I suppose is bad enough.
It really little to do with nationalism. You have ruthless leaders who had a lust for power. They used class warfare, they used race, they used victimhood, they used religion. What they really believed was themselves and their insatiable quest for power. Leftist historians like to pick nationalism and ignore the social economic rhetoric which played an equally important role but uncomfortably aligns with their beliefs. The key to a good government is not to be warriors against nationalism or religion or social welfare. The key is to have checks and balances and limits to governmental powers.
