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You Can't Be Kidding Me With Sanders (1 Viewer)

I'm supposed to worry about Trump's authoritarianism when the Politburo and Pravda are calling?

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You're not making me vote for Trump, are you?

Are you ####### serious? This guy is left of Mother Jones.

No, he hasn't been vetted. In the least. Wait for that. Good luck in the general.

SIncerely,

RA
I have been saying since 2015 in these forums, that this country will never elect an avowed Socialist. Maybe in the future, but not in 2020.

If the Democrats select him as their nominee, it is over and Trump is reelected.

 
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I have been saying since 2015 in these forums, that this country will never elect an avowed Socialist. Maybe in the future, but not in 2020.

If the Democrats select him as their nominee, it is over and Trump in reelected.
Trump and Sanders as the respective heads of their parties and the main two viable alternatives in the Presidential election marks the absolute brokenness and cravenness of our politics.

 
I'm never voting Trump regardless.  Honestly, there was like a 95% chance that I was voting L anyway, no matter who the Democrats nominated.  The only real issue for me was whether I would vote L while rooting for somebody like Buttigieg or Klobuchar, or this.

I'm fortunate in the sense that I don't stand to lose much in a Trump vs. Sanders election.  I'm well-off, but not to the degree that Sanders wants to to target.  And Sanders wouldn't be able to enact many of his policy preferences regardless given the predicted makeup of congress.  So I actually have the option of sitting this out and watching the world burn. That's a very live option if this is the match-up we're given.

 
I'm never voting Trump regardless.  Honestly, there was like a 95% chance that I was voting L anyway, no matter who the Democrats nominated.  The only real issue for me was whether I would vote L while rooting for somebody like Buttigieg or Klobuchar, or this.

I'm fortunate in the sense that I don't stand to lose much in a Trump vs. Sanders election.  I'm well-off, but not to the degree that Sanders wants to to target.  And Sanders wouldn't be able to enact many of his policy preferences regardless given the predicted makeup of congress.  So I actually have the option of sitting this out and watching the world burn. That's a very live option if this is the match-up we're given.
Yeah, my "you're making me vote Trump..." is total hyperbole. I sat out the last one; I'll sit this one out. 

 
Sanders cut his teeth hanging around in ####ty banquets and union halls his whole life. This is what happens when pay a guy that much money to rabble rouse from somewhere in the arcane segments of academia in the Northeast.

This is what I grew up with.

Why I'm a gosh darn right-winger in those parts. 

 
Thanks. Can you elaborate more on why you think this?
As I have linked probably a dozen times (and I don't feel like looking it up again) Gallup runs a poll every year for factors, among voters, that will disqualify a candidate from being elected President (paraphrasing). The biggest disqualifier when I first noted this in 2015 and since then, is Socialism (haven't see the most recent poll but I doubt that that changed). As of 2015 and going forward, most voters would have prefered a homosexual (like Mayor Pete) or a candidate who is Jewish, Catholic or a minority, rather than a Socialist, which was at the bottom of the list.

 
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Its really going to come down to youth vote/not-typical voter coming out in the big Midwest battleground states versus how many hold their nose and vote Trump over the specter of their perception of Bernie’s “Communism”. The Blue States will get much bluer, the Red states will get redder. 
 

And social media is going to be craaaaazy the next several months. The nastiness and no-holds barred takes are getting amped to 11 everywhere. Haymakers abound. It’s going to be so insanely ugly. :popcorn?:

 
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As I have linked probably a dozen times (and I don't feel like looking it up again) Gallup runs a poll every year for factors that will disqualify a candidate from being elected President (paraphrasing). The biggest disqualifier when I first noted this in 2015 and since then, is Socialism (haven't see the most recent poll but I doubt that that changed). As of 2015, most voters would have prefered a homosexual (like Mayor Pete) or a candidate who is Jewish, Catholic or a minority, rather than a Socialist, which was at the bottom of the list.
I think Sanders has a better shot at beating Trump than Mayor Pete because he can get the vast majority of Latinos and African Americans over Trump and Mayor just can’t get them energized. In addition as I have said before folks in the battleground states are not ready to put a gay man in the White House.

 
The general is going to be the highest election turnout in American history. The liberals are going to be fired up. The conservatives are going to be fired up. My god, i'm taking vacation days. This is going to be glorious. 
It’s going to be WWF. They may actually fight during one of the debates.

 
I think Sanders has a better shot at beating Trump than Mayor Pete because he can get the vast majority of Latinos and African Americans over Trump and Mayor just can’t get them energized. In addition as I have said before folks in the battleground states are not ready to put a gay man in the White House.
With Bernie, Democrats are dead in the water in November. Pete will probably only do marginally better, but at least I see him having a shot and I recall people in 2008 saying American will never elect a black man as President.

 
Its really going to come down to youth vote/not-typical voter coming out in the big Midwest battleground states versus how many hold their nose and vote Trump over the specter of their perception of Bernie’s “Communism”. The Blue States will get much bluer, the Red states will get redder. 
 

And social media is going to be craaaaazy the next several months. The nastiness and no-holds barred takes are getting amped to 11 everywhere. Haymakers abound. It’s going to be so insanely ugly. :popcorn?:
I live in PA - the suburbs of Philadelphia. And I'm saying this honestly (not fear mongering) that suburban women in my area are not going to get excited to turn out for a candidate whose predominant platform is messing with their kids' health insurance with forced Medicare participation (which would never pass Congress anyway which makes this all more infuriating). I don't know that it is very debatable that suburban women are much more important and a more reliable voter base to determine the outcome of this election. I'm not necessarily saying they go back to Trump, but they may stay home which has the same effect.

All I can say is that I am resigned that Bernie has to be the nominee unless something really changes in the next month or so. Even if it is a contested convention, they have to give it to him, assuming he has the plurality, or else we are handing Trump the election because there will be an uprising from the left. And I plan on doing everything in my power to register as many young people as possible and get them out to vote. There are 5 colleges within a 10 mile radius of my house and I've already reached out to some local democratic party officials to see how I can help with the general election. This is pretty scary to me. I feel as if all we need to do as a party is nominate a non-scary (policy-wise) likable candidate and do a full court press to get out the vote. Even then it would have been iffy, but there would be a chance. Apparently it looks like we are choosing the nuclear option and I have no choice but to get on board and do my best to support it.

 
I don't agree with how Bernie would solve a lot of his policy issues, but I'm voting the morals, not the policies.  Unless Bernie sets a new record on executive orders and National emergencies, I'm not concerned his policies pass Congress.

 
Its really going to come down to youth vote/not-typical voter coming out in the big Midwest battleground states versus how many hold their nose and vote Trump over the specter of their perception of Bernie’s “Communism”. The Blue States will get much bluer, the Red states will get redder. 
 

And social media is going to be craaaaazy the next several months. The nastiness and no-holds barred takes are getting amped to 11 everywhere. Haymakers abound. It’s going to be so insanely ugly. :popcorn?:
The youth almost always under performs on turnout. Maybe this year will be different.

 
I have been saying since 2015 in these forums, that this country will never elect an avowed Socialist. Maybe in the future, but not in 2020.

If the Democrats select him as their nominee, it is over and Trump is reelected.
I get the sentiment, and do hear some early predictions of Trump being able to take 40 states vs. Sanders, but just have a hard time seeing Trump winning anything, if at all, other than a very close race. Same for Sanders. I think it's more of a toss-up.

 
Trump and Sanders as the respective heads of their parties and the main two viable alternatives in the Presidential election marks the absolute brokenness and cravenness of our politics.
Yes it does. And if our system were any good, it would have never fractured the depths that it has the past few decades. A good system prevents such immense falls in efficiency and stability. It's time to burn it down and start anew.

 
His popularity with that crowd is staggering. Every college campus in the fall is going to be overrun with students ready to get out for him. I’m hopeful. 
It's for real.  Polls cannot accurately measure his support either.  I'm not buying for a second that Bernie can't beat trump.  He was more popular in MI and WI than Hillary.  Could he swing a big college state like FL?  

 
Let’s not lose focus. If Bernie is the nominee that’s who you vote for. It’s a two party system. Let’s rescue our country and work out the minutia later. Please.
Sorry, M4A is a non-starter. 

And a lot of other stuff, but, let's start with that. No thanks. 

 
I don’t think people realize how heavy is he going to get the young crowd to turn out. 
They’re already out for him in these primaries. He needs more than just kids who think he’s going to pay for college.  Trump would kill him. No one is going to vote in a socialist when the economy is up and unemployment is down. I’m not saying that’s due to Trump, but moderates are going to rock the boat that far. If those two are the nominees, I’ll vote whichever D comes in 2nd. 

 
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They’re already out for him in these primaries. He needs more than just kids who think he’s going to pay for college.  Trump would kill him. No one is going to vote in a socialist when the economy is up and unemployment is down. I’m not saying that’s due to Trump, but moderates are going to rock the boat that far. If those two are the nominees, I’ll vote whoever D comes in 2nd. 
None of those kids are paying attention now like they will be in the fall. A presidential election dwarfs this nonsense going on now and momentum is a thing in politics. 

 
You're not making me vote for Trump, are you?

Are you ####### serious? This guy is left of Mother Jones.

No, he hasn't been vetted. In the least. Wait for that. Good luck in the general.

SIncerely,

RA
Sanders is doing exactly what Trump did in 2016. He's using his enthusiastic voting block (of roughly 35% of the party) to beat a divided field. And the rest of the field is too stubborn and too egotistical to drop out.

The difference in 2016 is that Republicans are dutiful party-line voters, so the vast majority of them held their noses and voted for Trump in the general election. The same can't be said for Democrats -- the Bernie Bros stayed home in 2016, and their right-leaning counterparts are going to stay home in 2020.

You'd think that Democrats would have learned their lesson after the debacle of 2016, but.....nope.

 

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