Ilov80s
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Looks like the Raiders have come out and said Bowden is a RB so that is great news for Edwards.
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WR Bryan Edwards, LV (2 Viewers)
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If you wanted to use analytics to create a more perfect diamond in the rough prospect, I am not sure you could.
Freshman breakout on a bad team where he accounted for a huge portion of the offense with bad QB against the best conference in football and many top flight CBs. Only hole I guess is that he didn't declare until a senior
That's not to say he 100% will pan out but I think he is undervalued at the moment. I prefer his profile to Aiyuk's, Claypool's and possibly Shenault's (though that's close)
Freshman breakout on a bad team where he accounted for a huge portion of the offense with bad QB against the best conference in football and many top flight CBs. Only hole I guess is that he didn't declare until a senior
That's not to say he 100% will pan out but I think he is undervalued at the moment. I prefer his profile to Aiyuk's, Claypool's and possibly Shenault's (though that's close)
Might belong better in that thread but my concerns with Claypool: Beyond being a 21 year old breakout I can't think of a single WR for Claypool as a pro comp. A slot WR that big with limited route running chops whose biggest skill is jump balls.
Maybe they move him to TE but not sure he'd be up for that (and the payout it comes with when contract time comes) and they did introduce him as a WR
The Steelers liking him does draw my interest as it would for any WR prospect, but I still have my reservations
I just see Edwards as an easier to project guy in an NFL offense
His athleticism is remarkable regardless of position. But it isn't ideal that he is both raw and a late breakout. Generally you'd expect later breakouts to have more polish. And I am not sure he has much incentive to convert to TE. It means you get paid less
Interesting player for sure though
As for Edwards I bet he starts to creep into the starting X role late in the year and goes into 2020 as the starter.
Looking at the Raiders cap I see no way Tyrell Williams is on the team beyond this season
Not only that, but he broke out as a 17 year old. So even with the senior declare he still is only 21 for a few more months. He’s just gotta stay healthy.
JetMaxx
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How well have you scouted him? Tell us what you don’t like so we can respect your strongly positive evaluation.
I think very highly of Edwards, but not sure how big the pie is going to be in Vegas.Like I said before, feels eerily similar to the Ravens TEs when they took Hurst way earlier than Andrews but Andrews turned out to be the super stud between the two. Keep in mind when going between Ruggs and Edwards
There is not much I see that I don’t like. This is why I am high on him. Here is a draft profile. But I think the positives far outweigh negative of the strength weaknesses list. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/bryan-edwards/32194544-5715-7935-d52c-2e0bf57adf37JetMaxx said:
I like he did well against SEC competition. I like his size and athleticism. I also see on player profiler he is very high percentile rated in college dominator and breakout age. I don’t see really anything that I don’t like just looking at his play and physical attributes. They mention he had concentration issues leading to drops. I assume this can be worked on.
I don’t like all of the WR on raiders roster that are projected ahead of him. He may find himself 4th WR. Because I think they love Renfrow in the slot. Ruggs has draft collateral and speed on his side to command a starting role. Williams probably ahead of Edwards to start the season. I think they may put him ahead of Agholor. This is the only think I don’t like, is the situation.
Having said all of this if you don’t respect my strongly positive evaluation then it won’t matter at all to me.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I look forward to Ruggs taking out a loan based on his draft position.
This is a decent video where they discuss some attributes and flaws, pre draft...
https://youtu.be/6v1AJ78Mvc8
https://youtu.be/6v1AJ78Mvc8
Not sure if was already posted, but this explains his situation... not great for redraft but great for dynasty...
https://rotoheat.com/bryan-edwards-2020-dynasty-outlook/
https://rotoheat.com/bryan-edwards-2020-dynasty-outlook/
LawFitz
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Unless you play in or with LV, LA or Oak peeps, you are getting this dude on the super cheap come rookie drafts. Risk/reward profile is compelling, because he seems the only of the rookie Raider WRs to fit the traditional alpha NFL WR1 profile. These three Raiders rookie WRs are all complimentary to one another, and to Waller, Renfrow and Jacobs. The OL is easily top 10 and might push for top 3. Gruyock has the OL lined and deep with talent. My main (and they are potentially major) concerns about the O are Carr/Marriota as potentially never elite signallers and depth behind Jacobs being of the non-exist. Maybe Bowden becomes a legit RB2. I doubt it. More likely, best case, he's a Randall Cobb or Percy Harvin or lower-end, he's comp'ble to Mr. Flashy (Cordarrelle P). Speaking as a non-dynasty guy, but one who's read thousands of dynasty thoughts on these boards over the years, so be free to salt grain me as you need. My return salt runs thin.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
@LawFitz I was a little bit surprised to hear the Raiders offensive line being discussed as a top 10 unit in the league.
Looking it up though the Raiders were 6th last year according to FBO they were 13th in 2018.
Looking at the draft, the focus has not been on offensive line since 2018 where they selected Kolton Miller 15th overall and Brandon Parker 65th overall. Miller is a starter. The rest of the lineup looks like were added in free agency.
I am astonished with how much progress they have made without that much investment. The Vikings have been trying to get good there for a lot longer than that but not as successfully.
Looking it up though the Raiders were 6th last year according to FBO they were 13th in 2018.
Looking at the draft, the focus has not been on offensive line since 2018 where they selected Kolton Miller 15th overall and Brandon Parker 65th overall. Miller is a starter. The rest of the lineup looks like were added in free agency.
I am astonished with how much progress they have made without that much investment. The Vikings have been trying to get good there for a lot longer than that but not as successfully.
rockaction
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Just a joke about the word choice by Bear.
I am all for being diverse in how we phrase things. It bugs me when I get stuck on a certain word too many times.
In this case I don't think collateral is synonyms with capital.
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh, I missed that on Bear's end. I'm having buyer's remorse on Ruggs these days. We'll see what happens.
Back to Edwards: I've seen him on jet sweeps and jet screens. It's an interesting watch. Not normally the position I'd put him in, but South Carolina did it quite a bit. It eased my mind about his top-end athleticism everyone is worried about because of the broken foot and no combine.
I'm waiting to see what this and next season bring, COVID permitting.
His usage on jet sweeps and such is a good point. He was used as an occasional punt returner as well. They def seemed to think he was one of their more dynamic players with the ball in his hands.
Milkman
Footballguy
Biabreakable
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Contextualization Of WR Bryan Edwards’ 2019 Pass Targets At South Carolina (4 Games)
However the Raiders are planning to use Henry Ruggs at the Z WR position and Edwards at the X position where he will be on the line and its not as easy to scheme open.
Looking at evaluators comments about Bryan Edwards I find a consistent pattern where they question Edwards ability to beat press coverage. He is a WR who is better at the top of his routes and at the catch point than he is at the beginning of his routes to create early separation. Add to this the Raiders plans to play him at X it seems a less than ideal fit for his skill set. He is going to need to get better with his releases and beating the jam at the X position.
As the author says, we need to evaluate prior seasons as well to get a more complete picture, but last season he was used on short passes that allowed Edwards to show off his terrific after the catch abilities. This type of use seems more suitable for the Z WR position that lines up off the line of scrimmage and easier to motion before the snap.
However the Raiders are planning to use Henry Ruggs at the Z WR position and Edwards at the X position where he will be on the line and its not as easy to scheme open.
Looking at evaluators comments about Bryan Edwards I find a consistent pattern where they question Edwards ability to beat press coverage. He is a WR who is better at the top of his routes and at the catch point than he is at the beginning of his routes to create early separation. Add to this the Raiders plans to play him at X it seems a less than ideal fit for his skill set. He is going to need to get better with his releases and beating the jam at the X position.
https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/06/raiders-oc-greg-olson-says-wr-henry-ruggs-will-start-in-slot/amp/#click=https://t.co/8A8e2Lnd4K
Raiders OC says Ruggs will start in the slot. Edwards szn?
Raiders OC says Ruggs will start in the slot. Edwards szn?
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
Oh great so I guess I'm going to cut him when I shouldn't. JK that's a fantastic comparison and I'm cautiously optimistic that this late 2nd rookie pick will be a home run.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Raiders WR Corp is going to be difficult for fantasy football. Maybe it will work itself out as the season progresses but I’m not sure who will be the most targeted WR. I thought Renfrow would pick up in 2020 where he left off last season but I’m not sure that he is a starter now. Who knows? Maybe Gruden will use the 4 main WRs as interchangeable parts at the beginning of the season and let the production determine playing time.
I never got the Renfrow love. I thought he benefited from the lack of options for the Raiders down the stretch. I did think he’d be the slot guy this year with Ruggs/Williams on the outside. I’m all over Edwards in dynasty but was planning on this being a “redshirt” year for him until Tyrell was let go in 2021. I wasn’t thinking about drafting him for redraft until now. Was going to monitor his snap% and keep an eye on injuries to the others. He’s a beast though and if he’s forcing his way on to the field early, I don’t think he’s going to leave it very much. I’ll probably grab him late in redrafts and see how the snap shares shake out the first couple weeks.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
The Renfrow love is due to his production. He doesn’t look like a great athlete but his production was legit. He ran solid routes and was faster/quicker than most thought. He got a lot of targets and produced. The Raiders would be foolish to not use him.
He got a lot of targets late in the season when Tyrell was banged up. I doubt it was ever the Raiders plan to have him lead their receivers in targets last year or in the future, hence adding a first round Wr and another big time talent in Edwards. Taking nothing away from his production- it was good and he looked good doing it, but he did it as one of the only options and now if everyone stays healthy he’s probably 3rd or 4th amongst wrs for targets.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Renfrow should move down the list but he proved he can play well enough to be on the field. Tyrell is the real wild card. Can he stay healthy enough to be on the field or is Renfrow pressed into action again as the WR3. This is assuming that Ruggs and Edwards deliver as expected as well. Sometimes, highly drafted players don’t pan out or take a year or so to figure it out. As a Raider fan, I hope Ruggs and Edwards play so well that the become the WR1 and WR2 that the Raiders desperately need.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Im getting excited now.
I still think Edwards a better fit at the Z position than the X.
Watching Carr and Adams in college Carr would just yolo it to Adams A LOT and as he says Adams almost always would come down with the ball. If he is feeling that trust with Edwards already look out.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Choo choo
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I believe the fantasy community at FBGs overvalued Edwards. He didn't accomplish a lot in college, but most made excuses because of bad QB play. While some of that is true, I think underachieved greatly in college, so call me a skeptic.
Didn’t accomplish a lot? He’s 4th all time for receiving yards in the SEC! I know the counter is he played 4 years and numerous guys would have more had they played 4 rather than 3, but as you mention he did that with crappy Qb play, and he missed 4-5 games, and he was very young for his class. He’s only a couple months older than Jrs Reagor, Ruggs, Higgins. About 5 months older than Lamb and Jeudy. He was starting in the SEC at 17!
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yeah I cant agree with JohnnyU statement about Edwards not accomplishing much in college.
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