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It's almost as interesting to see how much traction the Trump minions get with their repeated 'it's no big deal' , 'it's the media persecuting us' shtick...

I'm guessing not much in this case...you can lie your way out of lots of things but this is not one of them

 
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killface said:
It's almost as interesting to see how much traction the Trump minions get with their repeated 'it's no big deal' , 'it's the media persecuting us' shtick...

I'm guessing not much in this case...you can lie your way out of lots of things but this is not one of them
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But it works on keeping his base.  Its all over social media with Trump supporters talking about the media hyping it.  Pretty clear that base will never leave him...they seem to be all in no matter what.

 
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sho nuff said:
But it works on keeping his base.  Its all over social media with Trump supporters talking about the media hyping it.  Pretty clear that base will never leave him...they seem to be all in no matter what.
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as many have correctly pointed out (not to generalize) but his base is consistently older and unhealthier so when they all start getting severely sick and dying we will see how much it sticks..

 
It's dangerous is what it is.

If people are convinced it's no big deal, just like the flu, the media is overblowing it, they're not gonna take it seriously.

And that's going to lead to more people getting it, and more people dying.

 
killface said:
as many have correctly pointed out (not to generalize) but his base is consistently older and unhealthier so when they all start getting severely sick and dying we will see how much it sticks..
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His base is also mostly rural. People in cities are the ones at much greater risk. I’m not sure which factor is more important, or if they just cancel each other out.

 
BladeRunner said:
I think there's no doubt that the media is playing this Corona virus up hoping this will sink Trump.

They are making a much bigger deal out of this than I think it really is.  The regular flu is going to kill a far more lot of people this year.  Where's the panic on that?
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I don't think there is panic but there is a higher level of concern over Coronavirus because of the unknown factor.   Ultimately it may or may not turn out to be as deadly as the flu but we don't know that at this point and that is why it is getting the reaction it is getting.   I do think some of it is an overreaction but sometimes it is better to err on the side of caution.

Not everything in this world revolves around Trump although he sure seems to think that it does.

 
killface said:
as many have correctly pointed out (not to generalize) but his base is consistently older and unhealthier so when they all start getting severely sick and dying we will see how much it sticks..
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Really, older and unhealthier (is that even a word)

Care to provide anything factual to back this up

 
BladeRunner said:
I think there's no doubt that the media is playing this Corona virus up hoping this will sink Trump.

They are making a much bigger deal out of this than I think it really is.  The regular flu is going to kill a far more lot of people this year.  Where's the panic on that?
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Sure, Italy is shutting it's country completely down just to sink Trump.  Yep, nothing to see here.   

 
Megla said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
His base is also mostly rural. People in cities are the ones at much greater risk. I’m not sure which factor is more important, or if they just cancel each other out.
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So are you suggesting that Rural people are older and unhealthier
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I don't understand how you get that from what Maurile wrote.

ETA:  Wait I just figured it out, never mind.

 
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killface said:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/the-republican-party-has-an-older-voters-problem.html

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2019/12/09/healthy-states

These facts are pretty obvious.  Old people skew republican and the midwest bible belt states are uniformly unhealthier, least educated and tend to have more unwanted pregnancies
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So let me make sure I understand

All Repub are Trumps supporters, all the voters in the state's your link sited vote Repub or Trump.

Got it

 
Megla said:
but his base is consistently older and unhealthier

His base is also mostly rural.
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Maurile's point about them being rural was that people in rural communities are less susceptible because they interact with fewer people on a regular basis.  They aren't taking the subway to work or working in crowded office buildings or going to big concerts and sporting events.  

 
Asked if he's been briefed that up to 100M could ultimately be exposed, Trump: "I've been briefed on every contingency you could possibly imagine. Many contingencies. A lot of positive. Different numbers, all different numbers, very large numbers, and some small numbers too."
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Seven! 24! 358!

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Maurile's point about them being rural was that people in rural communities are less susceptible because they interact with fewer people on a regular basis.  They aren't taking the subway to work or working in crowded office buildings or going to big concerts and sporting events.  
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I didn't dispute that aspect of what he posted

 
killface said:
as many have correctly pointed out (not to generalize) but his base is consistently older and unhealthier so when they all start getting severely sick and dying we will see how much it sticks..
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Might need to start calling it the Red Hat Flu.

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Maurile's point about them being rural was that people in rural communities are less susceptible because they interact with fewer people on a regular basis.  They aren't taking the subway to work or working in crowded office buildings or going to big concerts and sporting events.  
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Even isolated Alaskan towns got decimated by Spanish flu.  These things find their way around.

Found this when looking, which describes how some areas were able to delay transmission and had vastly reduced fatality rates because of it (hopefully Tim will take note).

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20181023-the-places-that-escaped-the-spanish-flu

Moral of their story:  “These communities basically shut themselves down,” explains Howard Markel, an epidemiological historian at the University of Michigan who was one of the authors of the study. “No one came in and no one came out. Schools were closed and there were no public gatherings. We came up with the term ‘protective sequestration’.

 
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killface said:
as many have correctly pointed out (not to generalize) but his base is consistently older and unhealthier so when they all start getting severely sick and dying we will see how much it sticks..
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Why would that matter.  His base were farmers who were hurt by his policy.  They still support him in droves.

 
Megla said:
but his base is consistently older and unhealthier

His base is also mostly rural.
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NBA players are disproportionately likely to belong to racial minorities.

NBA players are usually tall.

It does not follow that racial minorities tend to be tall (or that tall people tend to be non-white).

 
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Dr Steven Brule said:
I wonder how many who chant Socialism will destroy America will get behind Trump on this as a necessary move to stabilize the economy.  I'd guess the % is high despite the obvious hypocrisy.  
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They've continued to support him despite handing out billions of taxpayers dollars to bail out farmers. The ideas don't even matter at this point, they're all in on the guy unless they're personally negatively effected by Trump, and even at that point I'm sure a good portion would still stick with him.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
NBA players are disproportionately likely to be racial minorities.

NBA players are usually tall.

It does not follow that racial minorities tend to be tall.
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The player pools here are not even close, the NBA represents such a small subsection of the overall populist,  the same can't be said about 'Trump's Base'  but I think you know I was speaking to the generalization about Trump supporters' ages and  health.  If not then my bad

 
Megla said:
The player pools here are not even close, the NBA represents such a small subsection of the overall populist,  the same can't be said about 'Trump's Base'  but I think you know I was speaking to the generalization about Trump supporters' ages and  health.  If not then my bad
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You seemed to think that if Trump supporters tend to be rural and also tend to be old, that must mean rural people tend to be old.

I was pointing out the flaw in that logic with what I thought was a clearer example of why it’s wrong.

 
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CNBC reports that at today’s lunch, GOP members floated not just a temporary payroll tax cut but a permanent elimination of the payroll tax. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/trump-pitched-0percent-payroll-tax-rate-for-the-rest-of-this-year-white-house-officials-say.htm

There was also discussion of making the payroll tax rollback permanent, said the official, who declined to be named. Payroll taxes are used to fund Medicare and Social Security. When asked about the potential cost of a payroll tax cut, the official pushed back and asked why there is always a focus on the cost of tax cuts.
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Maurile Tremblay said:
You seemed to think that if Trump supporters tend to be rural and also tend to be old, that must mean rural people tend to be old.

I was pointing out the flaw in that logic with what I thought was a clearer example of why it’s wrong.
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You know what I meant

Are you purposely leaving out 'unhealthier"

 
"There was also discussion of making the payroll tax rollback permanent, said the official, who declined to be named. Payroll taxes are used to fund Medicare and Social Security. When asked about the potential cost of a payroll tax cut, the official pushed back and asked why there is always a focus on the cost of tax cuts."

 Sounds like old people are going to pay for most of this.

 
"Sorry, grandma, we won't be wiring your SS in to your account this month."

I wonder if they can keep making the payments until the election? Because after that, if they win, they can do anything they want.

 
KPD said:
Even isolated Alaskan towns got decimated by Spanish flu.  These things find their way around.

Found this when looking, which describes how some areas were able to delay transmission and had vastly reduced fatality rates because of it (hopefully Tim will take note).

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20181023-the-places-that-escaped-the-spanish-flu

Moral of their story:  “These communities basically shut themselves down,” explains Howard Markel, an epidemiological historian at the University of Michigan who was one of the authors of the study. “No one came in and no one came out. Schools were closed and there were no public gatherings. We came up with the term ‘protective sequestration’.
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Nobody's saying that rural communities are immune from communicable diseases.  That would be stupid.

But communicable diseases do probably spread more slowly in rural communities.  We generally have lots of personal space and aren't packed together in large numbers very often.  As others have repeated ad nauseam, slowing down the spread of a disease like covid-19 is important because it reduces the likelihood of having your hospital system overwhelmed.

 
Megla said:
You know what I meant

Are you purposely leaving out 'unhealthier"
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I posted what I thought you meant. Was I wrong? If so, I don’t know what you meant.

Add ‘unhealthier’ or whatever other adjective you want back in. The logic doesn’t change. If a group of people are disproportionately both gronnit and floocy, that does not mean that gronnit people tend to be floocy.

Another example: Trump supporters are disproportionately white. Trump supporters are also disproportionately male. That does NOT mean that white people are disproportionately male.

 
A permanent elimination of payroll taxes is just a permanent elimination of Medicare and Social Security, isn't it? How many among the GOP base who receive those benefits would happily back this payroll tax elimination without realizing the implications?

 
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