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Politico: W.H. is likely to declare disaster under Stafford act to free up tens of billions of dollars in aid for local governments.

As of right now, the W.H. is not opposed to the Pelosi bill and Trump is considering signing it as long as it doesn’t include any surprises. House Democrats are drafting a bill that includes free testing, paid sick leave, and increased funding for unemployment insurance and food stamps.

 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Trump say yesterday he won't even be getting tested? Even after the Gaetz thing?

Even if he wasn't in contact with anyone, he should be the first person to take a test.

Leading. By example. You know, leadership.
Trump is the complete opposite of Harry Truman. The buck never stops at Trump's desk.

 
Totally not a dictatorship.
Technically they work for the administration, it's not quite the same.   If you contradict the boss, expect consequences.  Sometimes it is worth it to disobey in the name of the greater good, but this boss in particular has shown no mercy to anyone who calls out his fabrications and doesn't toe the administration line.

 
The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials.
This is madness. And from an administration that completely eliminated its pandemic threat section from the NSC no less.

 
The officials said that dozens of classified discussions about such topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.

Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls, the sources said.

“We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”

The sources said the National Security Council (NSC), which advises the president on security issues, ordered the classification.”This came directly from the White House,” one official said.
Who in Health and Medicine gets a security clearance?

 
The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials.
This is madness. And from an administration that completely eliminated its pandemic threat section from the NSC no less.
Reminiscent of Chernobyl.

 
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials.

The officials said that dozens of classified discussions about such topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.

Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls, the sources said.

“We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”

The sources said the National Security Council (NSC), which advises the president on security issues, ordered the classification.”This came directly from the White House,” one official said.

The White House insistence on secrecy at the nation’s premier public health organization, which has not been previously disclosed, has put a lid on certain information - and potentially delayed the response to the crisis. COVID19, the disease caused by the virus, has killed about 30 people in the United States and infected more than 1,000 people.

HHS oversees a broad range of health agencies, including the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which among other things is responsible for tracking cases and providing guidance nationally on the outbreaks.

The administration officials, who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity, said they could not describe the interactions in the meeting room because they were classified.

 
What a load of ####. Seriously. Trump dictating the info the public is allowed to hear. Nothing fascist about this.

Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls, the sources said.

“We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”

The sources said the National Security Council (NSC), which advises the president on security issues, ordered the classification.”This came directly from the White House,” one official said.

 
WHO has declared a pandemic: "WHO has been assessing this outbreak around the clock and we’re deeply concerned both by the alarming levels of spread and severity and the alarming levels of inaction. We have therefore made the assessment that covid19 can be characterized by "pandemic."

- NYT

 
Exponential growth often defies intuition. Here's an illustrative example.

Suppose that each lily pad in a pond reproduces once per day.

On day 1, there is 1 lily pad. On day 2, there are 2. On day 3, there are 4. On day 4, there are 8...

On day 48, the entire pond is covered.

How long did it take for half the pond to be covered?

47 days.
On day 40, how much of the pond was covered?

Less than 0.4%.
When a thing is growing exponentially, it can chug along being barely noticeable for quite some time, until all of a sudden it's everywhere very quickly.

 
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Exponential growth often defies intuition. Here's an illustrative example.

Suppose that each lily pad in a pond reproduces once per day.

On day 1, there is 1 lily pad. On day 2, there are 2. On day 3, there are 4. On day 4, there are 8...

On day 48, the entire pond is covered.

How long did it take for half the pond to be covered?

47 days.
On day 40, how much of the pond was covered?

Less than 0.4%.
When a thing is growing exponentially, it can chug along being barely noticeable for quite some time, until all of a sudden it's everywhere very quickly.
Please stop what you're doing and report to the WH for an emergency meeting Dr. Maurile.

 
The irony is that everything they are doing will only make the stock market worse. Without the proper messaging, it will be worse than it needs to be. Confidence that the government will be able to handle this is being destroyed by how they are acting.

If there is a deep state, time for them to step up and make sure these experts can get their message out to the American people.

 
And I like how "be careful...use common sense" is "fear mongering"...confident the venn diagram of those guys and the "gubment ain't gonna tell me wut I'ma gonna do" types are a big circle.

 
The irony is that everything they are doing will only make the stock market worse. Without the proper messaging, it will be worse than it needs to be. Confidence that the government will be able to handle this is being destroyed by how they are acting.

If there is a deep state, time for them to step up and make sure these experts can get their message out to the American people.
I heard a quote somewhere that I totally agree with. "If you prioritize stock market over human health, you end up helping neither." Very short sighted handling.

 
Exponential growth often defies intuition. Here's an illustrative example.

Suppose that each lily pad in a pond reproduces once per day.

On day 1, there is 1 lily pad. On day 2, there are 2. On day 3, there are 4. On day 4, there are 8...

On day 48, the entire pond is covered.

How long did it take for half the pond to be covered?

47 days.
On day 40, how much of the pond was covered?

Less than 0.4%.
When a thing is growing exponentially, it can chug along being barely noticeable for quite some time, until all of a sudden it's everywhere very quickly.
My favorite:

If a chessboard were to have wheat placed upon each square such that one grain were placed on the first square, two on the second, four on the third, and so on (doubling the number of grains on each subsequent square), how many grains of wheat would be on the chessboard at the finish?

18,446,744,073,709,551,615
 
“Dr. Fauci, who is testifying on Capitol Hill, just said there should be no large crowds,” Fox Business host Stuart Varney informed McEnany.

“Look, we have the commander-in-chief, we have the best health experts,” McEnany insisted. “We’re taking this day by day. We’re currently proceeding as normal. Joe Biden is suspending his rallies. He’s been dying to get off the campaign trail. He can only speak for seven minutes.”

“You will immediately be accused of chaos in the White House,” Varney interrupted. “The president goes ahead with holding his rallies. His top doctor — top medical guy — says don’t go with big crowds. I mean, you’re immediately going to be hit with this.”

“Look, the president is the best authority on this issue,” McEnany asserted. “He takes into consult the words of everyone around him.”

“So, I’ll leave it to the president,” she added. “Joe Biden is looking for an excuse to get off the campaign trail. And let me just add, the media’s best hope is for Donald Trump to suspend his rallies. They’ve been wanting to stop this, his avenue to speak directly to the American people.”

So sad. More conspiracy crap.

 
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I know what to make of it.  He was blowing the entire White House propaganda campaign out of the water (because he was under oath and had to tell the truth) and they pulled him out of the hearing and will likely be sending him to some underground lab in Siberia , check that, Alaska on a reassignment to better serve the Administration.

 
No Guarantee You'll Get Tested For COVID-19, Even If Your Doctor Requests It

Buried deep in this article:
All these diagnostic tests are considered "essential" under the Affordable Care Act, which means they are covered by private insurers, Medicare and Medicaid — at no cost to consumers. (Uninsured people can be billed for the test at whatever rate the doctor or hospital chooses).

Reminder, Trump is currently trying to eliminate the ACA entirely. I wonder how all of this would be covered under TrumpCare?

In the face of mixed messages and confusion about who can or should be tested for the coronavirus, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention posted updated guidance for doctors Sunday about when to test a patient.

The short answer is, if your doctor feels a test is appropriate, he or she can request the test. But a request doesn't guarantee that you'll get one.

Confused? You're not alone.

There's still a big gap between what the federal government is promising and what state and local labs can deliver.

Right now the CDC is telling doctors in its new guidance that they should use their own medical judgment and then "work with their local health departments to coordinate testing through public health laboratories." But those labs have a limited capacity to test, so some have been turning down doctors' requests.

The coronavirus test isn't simple, like the ones for the flu, strep or pregnancy. The kits detecting the novel coronavirus are configured more for a research lab than a hospital — and certainly can't be run in a doctor's office. It takes four to six hours to perform the tests on patient samples. And, while in principle tests can be run in batches of about 100, that's a challenge for smaller labs.

The contractor that is producing these test kits for public health labs is also mass-producing them for hospital labs, but it's unclear as of Tuesday to what extent hospital labs have acquired the kits, demonstrated that they are capable of getting reliable results, and begun testing.

Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar said Monday that over 1 million tests have been shipped and "are now out." Out where is not so clear. The American Hospital Association couldn't provide any information about the use of this test among its members.

"Our members are anxiously awaiting them," says Jan Emerson-Shea, vice president of external affairs for the California Hospital Association.

Kaiser Permanente, one of the major providers of health care along the heavily impacted West Coast, says it is currently sending tests from its patients to public health labs. Kaiser Permanente is developing its own test, but that may take several weeks, a spokesman tells NPR. Geisinger Health Plan, another large HMO in New Jersey and Pennsylvania, has not received test kits, either.

Two big commercial labs, Quest Diagnostics and LabCorp, have announced they have geared up to run tests. But if you are in the hospital or in precarious health, your doctor may not want to wait several days to get an answer from these labs. (Doctors and hospitals will collect the samples from patients — the lab companies do not want people potentially infected with coronavirus showing up in their waiting rooms).

State health departments can run the test that the CDC has been sending out. Federal health officials said they sent out enough kits to run 75,000 samples — among an at-risk population that is in the tens of millions, if not larger. And because doctors may submit more than one sample per patient, 75,000 tests will cover far fewer people. The samples are swabs from the nose and mouth or, in some seriously ill patients, may be fluid from the lungs.

Commercial companies are now working to develop tests that are faster and less cumbersome to run.

"Essentially, every company that has a molecular test is saying that they're working on a coronavirus test," says Dr. Mark Miller, chief medical officer of BioMerieux, a global testing company headquartered in France.

His company has a U.S. Defense Department grant to develop a test that will provide fast results. The company sells an automated instrument called the BioFire system, which can sit on the counter in a hospital laboratory and produce test results in an hour or less, Miller says. Of course, this test can only be run in labs that own this expensive piece of equipment, and most hospitals do not. Miller isn't ready to promise a delivery date for the rapid test.

Another testing company, Qiagen, is also trying to fast-track a rapid test. This company, headquartered in Germany, already sells a test that can analyze a nose or throat swab and look for 20 different viruses and microbes that can cause flu symptoms. Company CEO Thierry Bernard tells NPR that shortly after the coronavirus appeared, the company started working to add the new coronavirus to this panel of respiratory tests.

These 20 tests are run on a "simple cartridge that goes into a very simple reader, which is the size of your laptop," Bernard says, "So it's a very plug-and-play solution." Right now, Bernard says, only about 200 medical labs coast to coast have purchased these readers. But he says interest is growing rapidly.

In order to validate the test, Qiagen sent some of these kits to China to run them on people known to be sick with the novel coronavirus. With that data now in hand, Bernard says, the company has submitted an application to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to use the test commercially. He hopes to get a thumbs-up sometime this month. The test costs about $100 per run, he says.

All these diagnostic tests are considered "essential" under the Affordable Care Act, which means they are covered by private insurers, Medicare and Medicaid — at no cost to consumers. (Uninsured people can be billed for the test at whatever rate the doctor or hospital chooses).

The tests identify genetic material from the virus itself in fluids from the nose, mouth or lungs. That information allows doctors to identify people who are currently infected and potentially spreading virus. Those tests — versions of which are widely available elsewhere in the world — do not identify people who contracted the virus and have since recovered.

Scientists in China and Singapore have been using a different kind of test — one that detects antibodies in the blood. The CDC's version of this test is still being developed. "We do have a test working with some of the samples from the first patients," says Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the Center for the National Center for Immunization at the CDC. In a conversation with NPR on Friday she said, "As soon as we are sure about it, we will use it more broadly."
 
Your misrepresentations of my posts support your fear mongering agenda but don’t really interest me. Have fun. 
Can you detail what you mean by fear mongering agenda? It'd nice to be clear your understanding of that phrase.

 
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The government response in America can only be described as an unmitigated disaster.  There will be millions of cases of covid19.  The horse is out of the barn.  Trump's ridiculous statements on the front end and his primary focus on himself (like always) did not properly prepare the nation to get ready for this deadly virus.  You need real leadership in times like these and leadership is something Trump is not capable of.  

 
The government response in America can only be described as an unmitigated disaster.  There will be millions of cases of covid19.  The horse is out of the barn.  Trump's ridiculous statements on the front end and his primary focus on himself (like always) did not properly prepare the nation to get ready for this deadly virus.  You need real leadership in times like these and leadership is something Trump is not capable of.  
And it would have been so freaking simple, and easy.

"Ladies and gentleman, this virus is very serious and we will all have to make preparations and changes to our lives to keep it from spreading. As we always do, Americans will band together, do what needs to be done, and succeed. We have the best people on earth working on this around the clock. Just stay calm, and be sure to follow the advice of the CDC. Now, to give a more detailed briefing, here is MR. X from the CDC"

That's it. That's all he had to do. Tell people to take it seriously and listen to what the experts say. And then just GET OUT OF THE WAY.

Probably would've helped his chances in November, too. Show everyone you're actually able to handle a crisis.

 
I think Cult of personality is a more accurate label, IMO

A cult of personality, or cult of the leader, arises when a country's regime – or, more rarely, an individual – uses the techniques of mass media, propaganda, the big lie, spectacle, the arts, patriotism, and government-organized demonstrations and rallies to create an idealized, heroic, and worshipful image of a leader, often through unquestioning flattery and praise.

 
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Wait, I was assured by @GoBirds this is nothing more than a common cold. Who should I believe, GoBirds or the guy from NIH?
Well to be fair, the guy from NIH probably made that announcement after being scared to death by the mainstream media.
Somehow I doubt the head of Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health is being swayed by the media.

 
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