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Democratic VP candidates - Kamala Harris Is The Choice (1 Viewer)
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AAABatteries
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I haven’t followed the VP pick closely because it won’t move the needle for me either. So, assuming the poll is accurate, and I believe it is, I would see if there’s a candidate that would help in Florida. To me, that is the key state, as it usually is. I don’t know if one of these folks would help there or not.
I get the idea that the VP pick doesn't matter in this election, because this year will be a referendum on trump. However, as I mentioned earlier, I think it is critical from the standpoint of 2024. Biden has already acknowledged that he is a bridge candidate, it's highly unlikely he runs for re-election. Picking a VP who could be a strong candidate for 2024 seems beneficial to me. I suppose you could just have a ticket with no intentions on running in 2024, but it seems like you would be squandering an opportunity.
Assuming that a Biden presidency brings some normalcy back to the office, begins repairing the fractured alliances, and gets us back to a point where the president doesn't dominate the news every damned day for some new absurdity, it strikes me that the VP could really use that as a foundation for a 2024 candidacy. Experience in the #2 seat while the country was restored to order, ready to step up to the top seat. Perhaps it's overly simplistic, but it makes sense to me.
Assuming that a Biden presidency brings some normalcy back to the office, begins repairing the fractured alliances, and gets us back to a point where the president doesn't dominate the news every damned day for some new absurdity, it strikes me that the VP could really use that as a foundation for a 2024 candidacy. Experience in the #2 seat while the country was restored to order, ready to step up to the top seat. Perhaps it's overly simplistic, but it makes sense to me.
Juxtatarot
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I don't think there is a Florida needle-mover either. I hope Biden picks the candidate on his list that will be most effective in the role and could be the best president of the bunch. (I think that's Susan Rice.)
The Gator
Footballguy
This is the tricky part to handicapping the race.
The VP is a really quirky position in government. The role of the VP is largely dependent on the needs of the President.
The President might want someone to take the lead on domestic issues, or International issues. Or, maybe the President wants someone with legislative experience who can help shepherd bills through congress. Or, maybe there is a specific initiative that the VP will help drive.
Most of the time, its simply a filler position. But, this time there seems to be a greater sense that the VP would be the torch bearer in 4 years.
Ironically, I think it might be harder for a sitting VP to run - given that the campaigns will start in early 2022, and the candidates may need to distance themselves from specific Biden policies (even if embracing the entirety of a Biden presidency). And, I think Biden will take the same approach as Obama - he won't publicly endorse anyone until there is a candidate.
The General
Footballguy
Best pick IMO as well with just seeing interviews and how the names being thrown out there have handled them.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
I bet Biden will be excited to find out too:
https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-excited-to-find-out-who-he-picked-for-vp
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Mystery Achiever
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Well, since we're on the subject, do others have friends posting articles from the satire sites enraged because they think they are real?
I've seen form "both sides". The ultimate confirmation bias.
I've seen form "both sides". The ultimate confirmation bias.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Right up there with with those people thinking Paw Patrol was canceled. In their defense, it was the White House that reported it.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
If they don't know the difference between satire and real, then they're too stupid to vote.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Well, it was disturbing to see someone recently get all undone about the following quote from Ilhan Omar and urge all seniors to take note:
“These old people haven’t earned these entitlements! We need more funding for our infrastructure and education centers and the biggest government expense is social security entitlements for senior citizens. We will have these phased out completely by 2024. We need to look toward the future generations and provide them welfare benefits, not the past of these older generations. Their time is over. They ruined the economy and must be made to pay:
(Sorry, we'r getting o/t, but Joe needs another week to pick VP anyway....)
“These old people haven’t earned these entitlements! We need more funding for our infrastructure and education centers and the biggest government expense is social security entitlements for senior citizens. We will have these phased out completely by 2024. We need to look toward the future generations and provide them welfare benefits, not the past of these older generations. Their time is over. They ruined the economy and must be made to pay:
(Sorry, we'r getting o/t, but Joe needs another week to pick VP anyway....)
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Back on topic, following Church of Scientology and Cuba,today's walk back from the Bass campaign is that the church, which her statement claimed was in her district, is nowhere near her district. Bass' 15 minutes may have literally lasted 15 minutes.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Harris or Rice. Loser could end up the 2024 VP.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
I’m kinda thinking that Rice is the best pick strategically after I read this Politico article claiming that Republicans are hoping she gets picked so they can talk about Benghazi and unmasking and all that stuff.
If the pandemic is still killing lots of Americans (it will be) and the economy is still in the toilet (it will be), it seems like an absolutely terrible strategy for Republicans to be talking about Benghazi. But I don’t think they can help themselves.
If the pandemic is still killing lots of Americans (it will be) and the economy is still in the toilet (it will be), it seems like an absolutely terrible strategy for Republicans to be talking about Benghazi. But I don’t think they can help themselves.
And Benghazi brings the Russia taliban bounties Comparison. The latter is far worse
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I suppose there are some voters who would vote Trump over Biden simply due to picking Rice and concerns with Benghazi. But hardly any.
The Gator
Footballguy
I prefer Rice to Harris.
But the KHive twitter world is every bit as obnoxious as the Bernie Bro world. They will rant and rave if it’s not Harris.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
This is news to me and I'm somewhat skeptical. If Harris has so many fans why did she flame out in the primaries?
The Gator
Footballguy
KHive has lots of theories...
but, she flamed out because she ran a spectacularly poor campaign. It started with having two campaign managers who were not on the same page - one in Baltimore and 1 in Oakland. Then she started the campaign with a strategy of bypassing Iowa - only to realize she was not a big enough national candidate to pull that off. So, then she switched to focus on Iowa - but it was too late, and she lost all momentum.
I think she is an acceptable candidate - but a terrible campaign manager - and you need to be both to run for president
But KHive is very real, and very demanding that Harris is the only qualified VP choice
The Gator
Footballguy
I don’t think the choice between Harris and Rice - if that is the choice - will move the needle in either direction. I prefer Rice, but would be happy enough with Harris.
I think Biden will have a higher confidence level with Rice as someone else from the Obama administration. And ultimately Biden needs to go with the person with whom he thinks he can best work.
I think Biden will have a higher confidence level with Rice as someone else from the Obama administration. And ultimately Biden needs to go with the person with whom he thinks he can best work.
The Gator
Footballguy
Similar to Bernie Bro’s - a vocal subset of supporters for Kamela Harris. The “swarm” in support of Harris.
caustic
Footballguy
KHive is a pretty small (but tenacious) population on twitter. I’ve never seen such fanatical devotion to a presidential candidate who dropped out before Iowa. Bizarre stuff.
The General
Footballguy
I would have to think those people wouldn't be voting for Biden regardless.
If Trump wants to talk about Benghazi good luck would be my attitude if Rice were the pick.
Rich Conway
Footballguy
Would this KHive crew be satisfied if Biden also announced that Harris would be his AG? In a typical administration, that would be a more important position. In this potential one, though, I suppose the thought might be that AG would not be the springboard to POTUS?
What about SCOTUS? I imagine this KHive might like that quite a bit.
What about SCOTUS? I imagine this KHive might like that quite a bit.
The Gator
Footballguy
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Do any of the others on the short list have KHive equivalents? The Rice Pack? The Liz-ards? The Bassturbators?
Phil Elliott
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The General
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Juxtatarot
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fatguyinalittlecoat
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Phil Elliott
Footballguy
I don’t disagree with that, but would add most media also. One of the major story lines this year is how progressive does Biden go. Similar to when the Tea Party tried to take the GOP far right.The General said:
krista4
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Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
Current preference ranking:
Grisham
Duckworth
Rice
Harris
Grisham
Duckworth
Rice
Harris
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Just an observation......Axios reporting of it being down to Harris/Rice ( "nearly unanimous read that we get from more than a dozen people close to him") brings optics of reducing the field to the two light-skinned black women with white husbands.
The General
Footballguy
Kamala has always been the front runner since Amy dropped out. Safest pick.
Rice has been very impressive in the few interviews that I have watched and Biden knows her. Tough and cool demeanor. Maybe just because she hasn’t been an elected official but she also seemed way less of a bull####ter to me in the limited time I have seen her answering questions.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Biden talks about wanting someone whose strengths balance his. And is not concerned about his pick having nat'l defense or foreign policy experience because he considers that his specialty. A Rice pick doesn't fit this. It also, as I've said in here before, does nothing to branch out from Clinton/Obama Establishment World.
Drunken Cowboy
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wikkidpissah
Footballguy
the "Pod Save" people, at least one of whom was in the Obama administration, seem to think Biden has a special respect for Rice as a factotum, beyond her areas of expertise, which is the only reason he'd be willing to hand the Behghazi card back to the magpies by making her his Major Domo & heir apparent
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Okay, I admit it. I had to look up "factorum". I guess she is the one he has the most insight about.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
yeah, i likes my oldie words - you can't even say OKBoomer to em, only "balderdash!" & ####
i think Rice is effete (folderol!) and would never want her in a campaign, but i hear she's maybe even more "can do" than even Warren
i think Rice is effete (folderol!) and would never want her in a campaign, but i hear she's maybe even more "can do" than even Warren
Mystery Achiever
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The General
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Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Feels too backward-looking, though. I would think young people and progressives would want to branch out with some fresh blood, potentially imapcting enthusiasm and turnout, but just speculating.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Rice is filthy rich and might look down on "Poor Joe"
Rice’s first financial disclosure as an Obama White House official, filed in 2008, formed a parade of horribles for progressives. Her investments ranged from fossil fuels and large financial institutions to pharmaceuticals and holdings in Las Vegas casinos owned by the Republican megadonors Sheldon Adelson and Steve Wynn.
Rice had so many investments that a full analysis of her assets was only publicly released once, in 2009, by the Center for Responsive Politics. It estimated she was worth between $23.5 million and $43.5 million.
The TransCanada investment stands out from the others owing to the project’s political significance.
Despite the controversy surrounding the TransCanada investment in 2012, Rice clung to the stock and listed as much as $100,000 of it in her last public financial disclosure as she exited the White House in 2017 as national security advisor. She was appointed to that post after John Kerry beat her out as secretary of state in the aftermath of her handling of the attacks on the lethal attacks on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya.
Though Benghazi was more of a political liability for Rice than TransCanada at the time, her entire stock portfolio was part of an internal whisper campaign to undermine her chances, according to a Democratic official who recalled the behind-the-scenes jockeying.
A Rice spokeswoman would not discuss her investments or whether Rice shared her latest holdings with the Biden campaign.
“We are not going to comment on the vetting process,” the spokeswoman said, adding that the former ambassador filed financial disclosures as required throughout her tenure in the Obama administration. “Ambassador Rice is still a private citizen and will disclose her holdings if and when required by law and a return to service.”
wikkidpissah
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