The General
Footballguy
It’s a fact that the lower educated voter block going hard for Don was what got him in the WH.
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Democratic VP candidates - Kamala Harris Is The Choice (2 Viewers)
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Zow
Footballguy
Well, I'm not sure what the bold means anymore. I really struggle to identify with many of them.
The days of McCain, Romney, Kasich, and other Republicans I did found to be good candidates and qualified and respectful people seem to be waning if not gone. But, presently, I'm still a registered Republican.
BladeRunner
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There's a reason why you guys keep saying that. And it's not because you're trying to build bridges.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Zow
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My point is that Trump won over a demographic where Trump himself didn't appear to fit. I made this point in response to the point that Kamala Harris can't win over the demographic of the average black voter because she doesn't entirely fit the demographic.
BladeRunner
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So you can continue to demean them. That's all it is. That's all The reason you do it.
Burn bridges, don't build them am I right?
BladeRunner
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The General
Footballguy
Its just the stats.
It’s smart on Trump’s part, it’s how he won.
It doesn’t take away from the observation that it’s odd that Trump, a silver spoon elitist snob appeals to them.
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[scooter]
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What? I'm merely pointing out that your candidate is doing exactly what you seem to be complaining about. He demeaned his supporters right to their face.
Zow
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I was directly responding to this portion of your post, "I don't think the daughter of a slave owning Jamaican and an elitist from India who hasn't been through "the struggle" blacks talk about is going to a) shred anyone and b) able to shore up the "black" vote."
My point is that I thought the same about Trump being able to win over the non-college educated blue collar group vote. I was way off. Oddly Michael Moore correctly called it. So, I'm suggesting that while I may initially agree about your point with Kamala, we just had a very recent example whereby whether a particular candidate fits into a partucilar demographic doesn't seem to be completely controlling on whether said candidate will win over that demographic.
Zow
Footballguy
I'm not a registered democrat. I also don't view politics as two binary teams.
I find Trump to be an embarassment to our nation and the walking embodiment of everything wrong with the Republican party. Like a poster above I would also vote for a steel rod over Trump. That sentiment doesn't mean I've somehow changed my ideological perspective on several political issues.
whoknew
Footballguy
I don't understand these responses. Its true - there was an education gap in the 2016 election results. That's not an insult. Its a fact.
Drunken Cowboy
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The Gator
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Jesse Lehrich @JesseLehrich · 3h
already emphatic tweets of support for the Kamala pick from:
– Bernie
– Warren
– Pete
– Klobuchar
– Bloomberg
– Yang
– Susan Rice
– Gretchen Whitmer
– Stacey Abrams
– Karen Bass
not bad on the unity front.
Shane Goldmacher @ShaneGoldmacher· 2h
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I'd say the Democratic Party, as a whole, are happy and excited about this pick, and are ready to move forward to the General Election, where they know they will have to work hard to get out the vote, and convince Americans that the best way forward is with Biden/Harris in 2020.
already emphatic tweets of support for the Kamala pick from:
– Bernie
– Warren
– Pete
– Klobuchar
– Bloomberg
– Yang
– Susan Rice
– Gretchen Whitmer
– Stacey Abrams
– Karen Bass
not bad on the unity front.
Shane Goldmacher @ShaneGoldmacher· 2h
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I'd say the Democratic Party, as a whole, are happy and excited about this pick, and are ready to move forward to the General Election, where they know they will have to work hard to get out the vote, and convince Americans that the best way forward is with Biden/Harris in 2020.
Joe Summer
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As a half Asian woman, I agree. I was going to vote for Trump but this pick convinced me to switch my vote.
Zow
Footballguy
Right. And nobody (at least not me since I apparently started this ####storm) is suggesting that more education = more intelligence/smarter.
Point is that Trump, a highly educated, born into wealth man who never worked a manual labor job in his life and literally lived in a home with gold trim somehow appealed to men who didn't attend college and work blue collar/manual labor jobs making no more than an average wage. As such, it stands to reason that Harris may be able to win over a demographic that she doesn't exactly fit into either.
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The General
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Drunken Cowboy
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Nia-Malika Henderson made a good point that given electoral history picking a women of color is hard to consider a safe pick. However given that Joe had committed to picking a woman she is likely the safest pick. She has been considered the favorite the whole time. Picking her rocks the boat the least. Given he is currently in a very strong position, that seems smart.
Cowboysfan8
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A big reason Trump won is because people are sick of the same old same old retread bull#### in DC
Imo
Drunken Cowboy
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This is exactly how I feel and probably how most of the country feels.IvanKaramazov said:
Drunken Cowboy
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The General
Footballguy
Totally agree that played a role.
Four years later enough people see that he’s in over his head I believe.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Zow
Footballguy
Let's hope. Anecdotally though, I haven't seen to many of my friends and colleagues change their minds. Most who seem to share my sentiment still voted against Trump in 2016 (albeit they may have voted for Johnson). Most people I know who voted for Trump will be doing so again in 2020. Again, this is just my anecdotal world which consists of personal conversations and, primarily, facebook and this website.
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whoknew
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Cowboysfan8
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If I had to bet I’d bet he gets smoked this time.
I was just saying I don’t think it’s odd that he got the ppl to vote for him that he did last time.
Going against Hillary didn’t hurt either of course
Cowboysfan8
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Ramblin Wreck
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Whatever. Biden could have picked Kim Jong-Un and this board would be justifying why it's a great choice. SHOCKED you guys ignore Harris' history and want to focus on Trump supporters. SHOCKED
The General
Footballguy
Zow
Footballguy
The bold was certainly a factor. Though, oddly, it was upper to upper middle class white women who drastically shifted against Hillary.
My recollection is that Trump received about the same number of votes in total as Mitt Romney. So, arguably, his win resulted more from two factors: 1) Hillary turned out a significantly fewer amount of votes compared to Obama; 2) Trump successfully re-arranged the Republican votes in swing states and in particular demographics (such as blue collar men and upper middle class women).
The General
Footballguy
But he didn’t pick Kim Jong (probably a better bet for Trump’s cabinet tbh).
People aren't focusing on Trump supporters it was brought up during the conversation.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
I think based on the early attacks against her, she is s better choice than I was expecting. It seems particularly lame. Trump's comments are she is nasty and super liberal. The nasty comment is just his continued sexism. Trying to paint her a super liberal seems a big stretch even for Trump.
I myself would have been SHOCKED if ANY pick by Biden didn’t draw huge dismay from Trump supporters and/ or “conservatives” here. Go figure.
Joe Summer
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In terms of total numbers, Trump got 2 million more votes than Romney did.
In terms of the percentage of votes relative to the voting-eligible population, Romney has the edge — 27.39% to 27.27%.
But I do agree that Trump successfully re-arranged certain demographics in several swing states.
Aerial Assault
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wikkidpissah
Footballguy
she was the favorite, BUT
1) i am certain Biden promised Klobuchar the VP slot to get her out of the race and that was dashed by her prosecutorial history, so appointing another former prosecutor is counterintuitive
2) i know a li'l bit about the East Bay Way in politics and, while it's a good corrupt, it's corrupt
3) i've followed national campaigns for 50 yrs and covered one as an honest-to-god member of the national press train and i've never seen a candidate nominate a veep with a stronger personality than his
4) the President's performance has made this a dont-screw-it-up campaign for the Dems and Sen Harris has more possible political liabilities than any non-leftist candidate in the field
didnt think they'd doubledown on wrongheadedness, but i guess that's the fashion...
Zow
Footballguy
In 2008, when a McCain supporter errantly accused Obama of being a Muslim terrorist, McCain corrected her and assured her that Obama was a "good family man."
In 2016, when a Trump supporter errantly accused Hillary of [insert from the plethora of bogus claims here], Trump tweeted it as truth.
CurlyNight
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Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
On the anniversary of the Charlottesville march. Trump only sees fine people on one side.
Who woulda thunk it....that a little girl, who was bused to school, would someday be the running mate of the man who tried to stop it because he didn't want his kids going to school in a racial jungle?
Or that same woman, who said that she believed the sexual assault claims made against a man...would choose to stand with that same man and back him during a campaign?
Of course...Kavenaugh received a different treatment from her when she believed THAT woman.
This woman is a true, profile in courage and convictions!
Over/under...times Harris calls President Trump a "racist"...after all, that is her job now.
Or that same woman, who said that she believed the sexual assault claims made against a man...would choose to stand with that same man and back him during a campaign?
Of course...Kavenaugh received a different treatment from her when she believed THAT woman.
This woman is a true, profile in courage and convictions!
Over/under...times Harris calls President Trump a "racist"...after all, that is her job now.
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OrtonToOlsen
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Great job, Kev...you absolute carpet-covered toilet seat lid of a human.
We went to the same college, FFS.
Red Hot Tamales
Footballguy
Zow
Footballguy
Um have you not been following along in this thread? A college education doesn’t mean you’re smart.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Disappointing selection by Biden, but not a surprising one. I suspect the extreme left is pitching major fits over this one.
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