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5 minutes ago, The General said:

Thanks. Do you have a link? Every article I have read this morning is crap on details.

It's the CNN article.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/25/politics/stimulus-senate-action-coronavirus/index.html

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Under the plan as it was being negotiated, individuals who earn $75,000 in adjusted gross income or less would get direct payments of $1,200 each, with married couples earning up to $150,000 receiving $2,400 -- and an additional $500 per each child. The payment would scale down by income, phasing out entirely at $99,000 for singles and $198,000 for couples without children.

 

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3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Are they also taxing that $1200?

I figure that's going back at some point one way or another.

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4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Are they also taxing that $1200?

Can't imagine they tax it now. One way or another unless the make some magical change to your income tax. Of course I will act like I never got it on my return. 

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2 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Can't imagine they tax it now. One way or another unless the make some magical change to your income tax. Of course I will act like I never got it on my return. 

Impressed, as always, with your bluster.

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7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Are they also taxing that $1200?

I thought it was an advance payment or some such trickery. Similar to the Bush shopping 300/600 we got.

Tax people will correct me.

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Just now, The General said:

I thought it was an advance payment or some such trickery. Similar to the Bush shopping 300/600 we got.

Tax people will correct me.

Haven't seen the detail...but yeah, probably an advance on next year's taxes.

Wait for the blame game come return time next year.

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1 minute ago, The General said:

I thought it was an advance payment or some such trickery. Similar to the Bush shopping 300/600 we got.

Tax people will correct me.

I never got a clear understanding on that - and that may be on purpose.

If its just a payday loan - the masses are not going to be happy when they find out.

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3 hours ago, The Commish said:

No...I do.  I know exactly what it is.  I also know exactly how you've defined it.  You've told me yourself.  It's what allows me to observe you trying everything in your power to somehow make this different from the exact same things you were railing against just a few weeks ago.  

If we go by real definitions of socialism, this package nor the most popular proposals by Bernie are that.  What isn't true is that one set of proposals IS socialist and one set ISN'T, but it's entertaining to watch you try and wish them to be different.

NONE of this sideshow changes the fact that the House passed it's legislation on to the Senate making your comment that the Dems are holding things up completely false.

Well said.  The House did its job. They might not have done the BEST job.....but they did it.  

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3 hours ago, The Commish said:

No...I do.  I know exactly what it is.  I also know exactly how you've defined it.  You've told me yourself.  It's what allows me to observe you trying everything in your power to somehow make this different from the exact same things you were railing against just a few weeks ago.  

If we go by real definitions of socialism, this package nor the most popular proposals by Bernie are that.  What isn't true is that one set of proposals IS socialist and one set ISN'T, but it's entertaining to watch you try and wish them to be different.

NONE of this sideshow changes the fact that the House passed it's legislation on to the Senate making your comment that the Dems are holding things up completely false.

They held it up on Monday and Tuesday.  I have no idea why you suddenly think that they didn't.

But it is entertaining watching you contort yourself so much to try and spin this. I hope you have a good chiropractor. 

And you still have no idea what socialism is.

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13 hours ago, Daywalker said:

She has never been more popular.

Not with younger people. We have a bunch of people older than my grandparents in charge. 

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Why is the GOP holding up this bill?

 

MCCONNELL’s office has sent Senate Republicans a draft of the emergency coronavirus bill to chiefs of staff, legislative directors and staff directors: "Will send the final final text as it’s completed/updated.”

On a GOP conference call, leadership said the text isnt final.

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3 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

They held it up on Monday and Tuesday.  I have no idea why you suddenly think that they didn't.

But it is entertaining watching you contort yourself so much to try and spin this. I hope you have a good chiropractor. 

And you still have no idea what socialism is.

What changed in the bill that you don't like?

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6 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

Why is the GOP holding up this bill?

 

MCCONNELL’s office has sent Senate Republicans a draft of the emergency coronavirus bill to chiefs of staff, legislative directors and staff directors: "Will send the final final text as it’s completed/updated.”

On a GOP conference call, leadership said the text isnt final.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-03-24/congress-white-house-stimulus-deal-coronavirus

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What changes were made during the compromising over the past 2 days that people are so upset about?

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2 minutes ago, The General said:

What changes were made during the compromising over the past 2 days that people are so upset about?

I don't know.

Only "big" change I see reported is oversight on the slush fund, and a prohibition on Trump businesses getting money.

Everything else seems like it has been reported for a while.  I think the Dems had been trying for additional items related to 2020 election (money for vote by mail, for example) that was dropped.  I still don't understand the details on the individual checks - stimulus money, or tax loans.

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Hmm - maybe Dems did get some money for 2020 elections:

 

The enormous spending bill expected to be released Wednesday morning will include $400 million in election assistance, according to two sources who have seen a summary of the bill from appropriators.

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40 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

I never got a clear understanding on that - and that may be on purpose.

If its just a payday loan - the masses are not going to be happy when they find out.

From what I recall from 2009 it was an advance tax credit. If you received the full payment you didn't need to do anything on your tax return but if you were eligible and didn't receive a check you could claim the credit on the tax return.  If you received a payment and were subsequently over the income limit you did not need to pay it back.  

I have no idea if this will be structured the same way. :shrug:

 

 

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48 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

I never got a clear understanding on that - and that may be on purpose.

If its just a payday loan - the masses are not going to be happy when they find out.

Do the corporations also have to pay it back?

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2 minutes ago, Tom Hagen said:

From what I recall from 2009 it was an advance tax credit. If you received the full payment you didn't need to do anything on your tax return but if you were eligible and didn't receive a check you could claim the credit on the tax return.  If you received a payment and were subsequently over the income limit you did not need to pay it back.  

I have no idea if this will be structured the same way. :shrug:

This was my understanding when they first started talking about this last week - they referenced the Bush checks.

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1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Are they also taxing that $1200?

I’m sure they will

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1 hour ago, BladeRunner said:

They held it up on Monday and Tuesday.  I have no idea why you suddenly think that they didn't.

But it is entertaining watching you contort yourself so much to try and spin this. I hope you have a good chiropractor. 

And you still have no idea what socialism is.

That was the Senate....these start in the House.  This level of information can be found in the musical genius of Schoolhouse Rock.  And to be clear, I am absolutely confident of what socialism is.  I use the dictionary definition of the word.  What you guys have bastardized it into, is a different story.  You're right have no idea what "socialism" is in that sense.  And it seems neither do you.

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2 hours ago, Thunderlips said:

Well said.  The House did its job. They might not have done the BEST job.....but they did it.  

Yeah, i"m not sure what alternate universe our GB Bladerunner is living in :shrug:

Oh, and I don't disagree at all that it wasn't the best job.  I'd go as far as saying it was a pretty crappy job, but they did it.

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2 hours ago, The General said:

First article I am seeing looks like they settled on if you make over 75k or 150k in the household you get nada. $500 per kid.

What are they going to base this income off of? 2018 adjusted gross income? Many businesses won't know the effect of the coronavirus on their business until the end of the year. 

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150M total for Kennedy Arts and National Endowment of the Arts in order to pass it.  Remember this in November people.   bacon at its finest.

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4 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

150M total for Kennedy Arts and National Endowment of the Arts in order to pass it.  Remember this in November people.   bacon at its finest.

That is barely a bacon bit.

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3 hours ago, The General said:

First article I am seeing looks like they settled on if you make over 75k or 150k in the household you get nada. $500 per kid.

Regardless of income?

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12 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

That is barely a bacon bit.

So, you're in favor of wasting money on the Arts in order to save Americans?  Got it.

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Lisa Desjardins@LisaDNews

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35m

And yes, there may now be a problem w the deal. *Sens* Graham, Scott, Sasse have written a statement - in their view, the bill motivates employers to fire people and put them on unemployment.

Under Senate rules, in order to vote anytime in next 4 days, every senator must agree.

 

:oldunsure:

 

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Just now, JohnnyU said:

So, you're in favor of wasting money on the Arts in order to save Americans?  Got it.

Not at all what I said...so please don't put words in my mouth.

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1 minute ago, Sinn Fein said:

Lisa Desjardins@LisaDNews

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35m

And yes, there may now be a problem w the deal. *Sens* Graham, Scott, Sasse have written a statement - in their view, the bill motivates employers to fire people and put them on unemployment.

Under Senate rules, in order to vote anytime in next 4 days, every senator must agree.

 

:oldunsure:

 

Id guess quite a few places already did so with the uncertainty the last few weeks.  And some of their employees probably happy they did so they could try and collect while congress drags their feet.

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Just now, sho nuff said:

Not at all what I said...so please don't put words in my mouth.

You said it was a bacon bit, meaning not much money and I disagree.  The Dems force this pork in the deal in order to pass it, so yes, what I said is true.

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Just now, JohnnyU said:

You said it was a bacon bit, meaning not much money and I disagree.  The Dems force this pork in the deal in order to pass it, so yes, what I said is true.

Yes...it was a small amount of any bit of the overall budget and even that bill.  That much is statistically true.

I also would not call it waste on the arts either.

None of which is me saying I agree with it..also, until you see the whole bill...to just complain about Dems is pretty funny, even if it is expected.

So no...what you said to me about my thoughts...was not true.

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1 minute ago, sho nuff said:

So no...what you said to me about my thoughts...was not true.

I disagree

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5 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

So, you're in favor of wasting money on the Arts in order to save Americans?  Got it.

to be fair, it's "The Arts" (i.e. television, movies, games, books, music, etc.) that we're all relying on right now to get through the various Shelter In Place orders in effect. 

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Just now, Quint said:

to be fair, it's "The Arts" (i.e. television, movies, games, books, music, etc.) that we're all relying on right now to get through the various Shelter In Place orders in effect. 

I believe I read 25M for cleaning?  Maybe I'm mistaken on that, or not, not going to go reread it.

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14 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

So, you're in favor of wasting money on the Arts in order to save Americans?  Got it.

What are they spending this money on?

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59 minutes ago, lazyike said:

What are they going to base this income off of? 2018 adjusted gross income? Many businesses won't know the effect of the coronavirus on their business until the end of the year. 

No clue on this one.

19 minutes ago, Zow said:

Regardless of income?

I could see arguments for this both ways. I'd think if you are over 100K you are hosed. But no clue.

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1 minute ago, The General said:

What are they spending this money on?

Includes $25 million in funding for the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts in Washington D.C. That is down from the $35 million that was included in the recent Democratic-proposed House legislation.

The Senate bill also provides $75 million to each the National Endowment for the Arts and the National Endowment for the Humanities. That is down from the $300 million for each that was in the House stimulus bill.

That $25 million for the Kennedy Center is designated to helping the center "prevent, prepare for, and respond to coronavirus, domestically or internationally, including deep cleaning and information technology to improve telework capability and for operations and maintenance requirements related to the consequences of coronavirus."

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36 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

150M total for Kennedy Arts and National Endowment of the Arts in order to pass it.  Remember this in November people.   bacon at its finest.

Arts and cultural orgs employ about 3% of the working population.

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Just now, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

Arts and cultural orgs employ about 3% of the working population.

3% hmm.  

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1 minute ago, JohnnyU said:

Includes $25 million in funding for the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts in Washington D.C. That is down from the $35 million that was included in the recent Democratic-proposed House legislation.

The Senate bill also provides $75 million to each the National Endowment for the Arts and the National Endowment for the Humanities. That is down from the $300 million for each that was in the House stimulus bill.

That $25 million for the Kennedy Center is designated to helping the center "prevent, prepare for, and respond to coronavirus, domestically or internationally, including deep cleaning and information technology to improve telework capability and for operations and maintenance requirements related to the consequences of coronavirus."

The 25 mil to clean does seem excessive, that place better be sparkling :lol:

The 75 mil to the NEA could be used to do a lot of good though.  Lots of local arts around the country going to be hurting. A good investment IMO.

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23 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

Lisa Desjardins@LisaDNews

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35m

And yes, there may now be a problem w the deal. *Sens* Graham, Scott, Sasse have written a statement - in their view, the bill motivates employers to fire people and put them on unemployment.

Under Senate rules, in order to vote anytime in next 4 days, every senator must agree.

 

:oldunsure:

 

Can the public view the Bill? Lots of people with expertise have plenty of time for a critical review.

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37 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

That is barely a bacon bit.

It is sickening that this was held up in order to get this.  People are in desperate need and this is what had to be done.    

  

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3 minutes ago, zDragon said:

It is sickening that this was held up in order to get this.  People are in desperate need and this is what had to be done.    

I think the much larger part to hold up was how the 500 Billion was to be allocated - with no oversight. 

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6 minutes ago, zDragon said:

It is sickening that this was held up in order to get this.  People are in desperate need and this is what had to be done.    

  

I don't think there is any real facts out there saying this was all held up because of this.

 

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2 minutes ago, The General said:

I think the much larger part to hold up was how the 500 Billion was to be allocated - with no oversight. 

If that was the case then we wouldn't have the extra crap in it.  This was held up to get pet projects in while Americans were desperate.  There is no way to spin this in a positive light.

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Did I see you Americans are getting a one-time $1200 check to cover COVID unemployment? Because Canada just announced $2000/month for the next four months.

 

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19 minutes ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:
56 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

150M total for Kennedy Arts and National Endowment of the Arts in order to pass it.  Remember this in November people.   bacon at its finest.

Arts and cultural orgs employ about 3% of the working population.

Artists gotta eat too.

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