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Who is the worst/most amoral character on the Sopranos?  

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My first thought went to Raphie, but I voted Christopher. He has the drug addiction, general mafia killer, and was also a rat via his writing/acting desires. 

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15 hours ago, thegroveisdark said:

Ralph set his horse on fire

Allegedly. 

9 minutes ago, The Big Guy said:

My first thought went to Raphie, but I voted Christopher. He has the drug addiction, general mafia killer, and was also a rat via his writing/acting desires. 

Poor Christopher.  He tried to give a dog some warmth and becomes the bad guy when the dog accidentally gets suffocated.

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9 minutes ago, The Big Guy said:

My first thought went to Raphie, but I voted Christopher. He has the drug addiction, general mafia killer, and was also a rat via his writing/acting desires. 

I think Christopher is a darkhorse. He had some redeeming moments - mainly some of the scenes with Adriana where he seemed to genuinely care for her and some of the scenes where he fought his substance abuse addiction. Of course, he also beat Adriana on a semi-regular basis and signed off on her murder. 

I think what made me dislike Chris so much was the way he treated laypersons. Particularly, he had that writer friend in the program that he just treated like pure dog#### (yes, the guy did delay on some payments but still). He kills him for no reason in one of the last few episodes - after the guy let him into his home to try to help Chris address his one of many backslides. Tony and some of the other guys seemed to really adhere to the unwritten rule that unless a civilian wrongs you that you leave them alone and/or treat them respectfully. Chris tried to sometimes - especially with the movie plotline - but couldn't ever really do it. And, instead, he treated them poorly (probably out of jealousy). 

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15 hours ago, Zow said:

Which upset Tony more than Ralph killing his "huoar". 

Tony's love for animals reoccurs throughout the series starting in episode one.

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9 minutes ago, Zow said:

I think Christopher is a darkhorse. He had some redeeming moments - mainly some of the scenes with Adriana where he seemed to genuinely care for her and some of the scenes where he fought his substance abuse addiction. Of course, he also beat Adriana on a semi-regular basis and signed off on her murder. 

I think what made me dislike Chris so much was the way he treated laypersons. Particularly, he had that writer friend in the program that he just treated like pure dog#### (yes, the guy did delay on some payments but still). He kills him for no reason in one of the last few episodes - after the guy let him into his home to try to help Chris address his one of many backslides. Tony and some of the other guys seemed to really adhere to the unwritten rule that unless a civilian wrongs you that you leave them alone and/or treat them respectfully. Chris tried to sometimes - especially with the movie plotline - but couldn't ever really do it. And, instead, he treated them poorly (probably out of jealousy). 

Let's not forget about him shooting that young worker in the foot at the bakery in Season 1. 

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15 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said:

Allegedly. 

He indirectly admitted it before Tony killed him. 

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2 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

He indirectly admitted it before Tony killed him. 

Not really.  Joe Pantoliano even later said that he played the scene as if Ralph did not kill the horse.  Just because Tony suspected him, and that Ralph was a POS, doesn't mean he did it.  I don't think Ralph killed the horse; he just didn't give a crap about it dying.

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6 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Tony's love for animals reoccurs throughout the series starting in episode one.

Very true. 

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3 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said:

Not really.  Joe Pantoliano even later said that he played the scene as if Ralph did not kill the horse.  Just because Tony suspected him, and that Ralph was a POS, doesn't mean he did it.  I don't think Ralph killed the horse; he just didn't give a crap about it dying.

I'm probably not remembering it correctly then but I think when he's saying "it's just a horse" he was basically admitting it. Admittedly it's open to interpretation.

 

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I voted Ralph - but thought Silvio should get a mention for one of the roughest hits in the show....

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3 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I'm probably not remembering it correctly then but I think when he's saying "it's just a horse" he was basically admitting it. Admittedly it's open to interpretation.

 

I believe that Chase has said that he never told Joey Pants intentionally and there was basically no answer.  Because in the end whether he did it or not, he wouldn't care anyway and Tony hated him anywhere and would have looked for an excuse regardless.

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14 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said:

Let's not forget about him shooting that young worker in the foot at the bakery in Season 1. 

that was just revenge on behalf of spider

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25 minutes ago, Zow said:

I think Christopher is a darkhorse. He had some redeeming moments - mainly some of the scenes with Adriana where he seemed to genuinely care for her and some of the scenes where he fought his substance abuse addiction. Of course, he also beat Adriana on a semi-regular basis and signed off on her murder. 

I think what made me dislike Chris so much was the way he treated laypersons. Particularly, he had that writer friend in the program that he just treated like pure dog#### (yes, the guy did delay on some payments but still). He kills him for no reason in one of the last few episodes - after the guy let him into his home to try to help Chris address his one of many backslides. Tony and some of the other guys seemed to really adhere to the unwritten rule that unless a civilian wrongs you that you leave them alone and/or treat them respectfully. Chris tried to sometimes - especially with the movie plotline - but couldn't ever really do it. And, instead, he treated them poorly (probably out of jealousy). 

He killed JT because he had admitted incriminating #### to him.

(not a defense, just saying not exactly for no reason)

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also, i don't think that amoral is the same as evil.

amoral implies that you really have no idea what you are doing.  i think that would apply more to ralphie.

evil implies that you do know that it's wrong but do it anyway.  that would apply more to tony soprano.

 

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21 minutes ago, Long Ball Larry said:

also, i don't think that amoral is the same as evil.

amoral implies that you really have no idea what you are doing.  i think that would apply more to ralphie.

evil implies that you do know that it's wrong but do it anyway.  that would apply more to Livia soprano.

 

fixed. 

and agreed with your thoughts - was what i was trying to say in my earlier post about "Mrs. S" (maaaan did she work that stunod Artie from her hospital bed).

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30 minutes ago, Long Ball Larry said:

also, i don't think that amoral is the same as evil.

amoral implies that you really have no idea what you are doing.  i think that would apply more to ralphie.

evil implies that you do know that it's wrong but do it anyway.  that would apply more to tony soprano.

 

Right and fair - which is why I left it opened. 

I think you're right though that if it was just limited to amoral that Ralphie wins. However, it seemed a big theme of the show (and ultimately what led to Dr. Malfie quitting) was whether Tony was a sociopath who couldn't be fixed. 

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1 hour ago, Kiddnets said:

I voted Ralph - but thought Silvio should get a mention for one of the roughest hits in the show....

He had two of them - Adriana and then the wire strangle in one of the last few episodes. 

Silvio always seemed to have a code, though, and stuck to it. He only got nasty if somebody broke the code.  He was probably the only guy on the show who I think could have fit right in and excelled in a normal office environment. Consummate professional and measured in tough dilemmas - despite being capable of absolute ruthlessness. 

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1 minute ago, johnnycakes said:

Surprised more people haven't picked Phil Leotardo.  

nahhh ... Phil was a calculating and ruthless player, but never really crossed the line with anyone who wasn't in the life - his schtick was par for the course.  

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44 minutes ago, Long Ball Larry said:

that was just revenge on behalf of spider

Haha, 'it happens."

49 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I'm probably not remembering it correctly then but I think when he's saying "it's just a horse" he was basically admitting it. Admittedly it's open to interpretation.

 

Right, I like that it was left open to interpretation. I don't think he killed the horse; others do.  None of us are wrong.

8 minutes ago, otb_lifer said:

nahhh ... Phil was a calculating and ruthless player, but never really crossed the line with anyone who wasn't in the life - his schtick was par for the course.  

He did threaten to shove a walkman in Chrissy's mom's box...

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15 minutes ago, otb_lifer said:

nahhh ... Phil was a calculating and ruthless player, but never really crossed the line with anyone who wasn't in the life - his schtick was par for the course.  

He really, really wasn't a fan of the LBGTQ movement...

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27 minutes ago, johnnycakes said:

Surprised more people haven't picked Phil Leotardo.  

I think he had been in prison for 20 years; if true, that probably explained some of his bitterness as well.

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10 minutes ago, Charlie Steiner said:

I think he had been in prison for 20 years; if true, that probably explained some of his bitterness as well.

Correct - he wore that like a badge of honor and didn't really respect anybody who hadn't done a bunch of time. I think it was implied, too, that he got the 20 and didn't snitch (which likely would have given him an avenue to a reduced sentence). 

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59 minutes ago, Long Ball Larry said:

you look like a puerto rican whore

the turd doesn't fall far from the f#ggot's a$$

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