timschochet
Footballguy
Even if that were possible at this point ( which for a whole lot of reasons it isn’t) the result would be either total chaos and a Trump victory or Bernie Sanders and a Trump victory.
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Former staffer accuses Joe Biden of sexual assault (1 Viewer)
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Clinton was a well known adulterer when he was running. The sexual harassment, sexual assault, and rape allegations were not well known until 1998. Was not enough to remove him.
timschochet
Footballguy
I think that the sexual harassment charge at least (Paula Jones) was widely known prior to the 1996 election.
Widbil83
Footballguy
Laugh it up. All these Kavanaugh crusading Democrat Senators aren’t saying a peep.
And just for laughs-
https://twitter.com/amyklobuchar/status/1173314685694828544?s=21
You may be right. I was thinking of the Wiley and Broderick stuff which came out later.
timschochet
Footballguy
HellToupee
Footballguy
That is troublesome that Ford testified to something under oath but yet told her attorney something else.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
squistion
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msommer
Footballguy
Let's do that with the 43+ women who have accused the incumbent first, then go for number 44(+)
timschochet
Footballguy
You guys will have plenty of time to pursue this once Biden is President. I might even join you at that point, probably will. If the evidence is clear I’ll demand his resignation.
But all that comes later. First we deal with the greater threat. This whole issue should be dismissed, swept under the rug, until after November.
But all that comes later. First we deal with the greater threat. This whole issue should be dismissed, swept under the rug, until after November.
timschochet
Footballguy
It’s only going to get better for Joe Biden:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/04/28/polls-show-trump-losing-ground-to-biden/amp/
That’s the good news. The bad news is that by the time he’s sworn in this nation is going to be in its worst economic crisis in history.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/04/28/polls-show-trump-losing-ground-to-biden/amp/
That’s the good news. The bad news is that by the time he’s sworn in this nation is going to be in its worst economic crisis in history.
Zegras11
Footballguy
Yes, it gets better. Must be weighing on his mind.
What we need is more “economic intercourse”
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1255053900304048128?s=20
What we need is more “economic intercourse”
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1255053900304048128?s=20
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msommer
Footballguy
The whole Reade thing is a deflection.
But we can do the 44(+) in chronological order if you like that better
Coach Morris Buttermaker
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timschochet
Footballguy
Only if you buy in to what is perhaps the dumbest and worst conspiracy theory ever. Otherwise no.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Then everyone bringing up an old possible rape should have it swept under the rug. Well done.
Mr Anonymous
Footballguy
I think you got confused about which thread you're in. This is the Rapey Joe Biden thread.
You're looking for this...
https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/773938-official-joe-biden-campaign-thread/page/90/?tab=comments#comment-22684563
msommer
Footballguy
This is patently untrue. My discarding of Reade's story is because her corroborating witnesses (last I checked) haven't corroborated anything
sho nuff
Footballguy
Why would she testify in front of Congress? Congress doesn't have anything to do with the primaries or election.
I think we have six or seven people who verified that Reade told them about Biden sexually assaulting her back in the year it happened. We have interns who corroborated Reade had her duties abruptly taken away about the time of the alledged assault. So we have a trail of evidence that collaborates the allegations and possible retribution by the Biden campaign.
Meanwhile the person you do believe never told anyone and every one of the alledged witnesses to the alledged party deny any party as she described even happened.
Glad you aren't showing any conformation bias here...
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timschochet
Footballguy
Thanks. You’re correct that it was posted in the wrong thread though it really doesn’t matter.
timschochet
Footballguy
Not everyone. Just those who are the only alternative to another 4 years of Donald Trump.
James Daulton
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Right now it's the neighbor and a friend. The brother has varied. The claim about the mother is believable. And it was two interns who said that Reade stopped overseeing them in the spring (Reade worked there until August, and she has given five different reasons why she left). I'm certainly not doubting Reade here but it would help to keep this straight.
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James Daulton
Footballguy
You are grossly overstating both the number of people "corroborating" her story and what they recall. Usually it's "she was upset about something"I think we have six or seven people who verified that Reade told them about Biden sexually assaulting her back in the year it happened. We have interns who corroborated Reade had her duties abruptly taken away about the time of the alledged assault. So we have a trail of evidence that collaborates the allegations and possible retribution by the Biden campaign.
Meanwhile the person you do believe never told anyone and every one of the alledged witnesses to the alledged party deny any party as she described even happened.
Glad you aren't showing any conformation bias here...
Why is this just coming to light now? Where's the actual proof? That defense was used sucessfully for both Trump and Kav, you wouldn't be suggesting it shouldn't apply to Biden too would you? Why that would be hypocritical.
And just an aside, if conservatives think this is a winning argument when we have Trump on tape using the Harvey Weinstein defense of "they let you do it", bring it on.
James Daulton
Footballguy
You're aware that Congress, not the people, confirm the SCOTUS right?
Again, let her testify and then let the multitude of Donnie's testify too. Fair is fair, right?
HellToupee
Footballguy
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/the-hypocrisy-on-tara-reade-is-a-national-disgrace/
The Hypocrisy on Tara Reade Is a National Disgrace
The EditorsApril 27, 2020 3:06 PM
Former Vice President Joe Biden speaks to the media in Washington, D.C., April 5, 2019. (Joshua Roberts/Reuters)
We do not know whether the accusations that Tara Reade has leveled against Joe Biden are true or false. That is a question of evidence and of inquiry that might be answered as time rolls on. We do know, by contrast, that the double standard that has been exhibited by Biden’s campaign and by the political press in tandem is a national disgrace. Both culturally and legally, due process must be habitually applied to nobody or to everyone. If, upon the most frivolous and protean of pretexts, it is routinely accorded to one faction while being denied to another, it is effectively lost.
The Hypocrisy on Tara Reade Is a National Disgrace
The EditorsApril 27, 2020 3:06 PM
Former Vice President Joe Biden speaks to the media in Washington, D.C., April 5, 2019. (Joshua Roberts/Reuters)
We do not know whether the accusations that Tara Reade has leveled against Joe Biden are true or false. That is a question of evidence and of inquiry that might be answered as time rolls on. We do know, by contrast, that the double standard that has been exhibited by Biden’s campaign and by the political press in tandem is a national disgrace. Both culturally and legally, due process must be habitually applied to nobody or to everyone. If, upon the most frivolous and protean of pretexts, it is routinely accorded to one faction while being denied to another, it is effectively lost.
James Daulton
Footballguy
How is it hypocrisy when the same standards conservatives use are being applied? Old claim only brought up during the election with zero actual evidence. I mean if Biden were on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women and justifying it by using the Weinstein defense, well surely everyone would consider him unfit.https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/the-hypocrisy-on-tara-reade-is-a-national-disgrace/
The Hypocrisy on Tara Reade Is a National Disgrace
The EditorsApril 27, 2020 3:06 PM
Former Vice President Joe Biden speaks to the media in Washington, D.C., April 5, 2019. (Joshua Roberts/Reuters)
We do not know whether the accusations that Tara Reade has leveled against Joe Biden are true or false. That is a question of evidence and of inquiry that might be answered as time rolls on. We do know, by contrast, that the double standard that has been exhibited by Biden’s campaign and by the political press in tandem is a national disgrace. Both culturally and legally, due process must be habitually applied to nobody or to everyone. If, upon the most frivolous and protean of pretexts, it is routinely accorded to one faction while being denied to another, it is effectively lost.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
So your first few lines are simply ridiculous and meant to get a reaction. Not a good look.
As for Kavanaugh...those were confirmation hearings...part of what happens with a Supreme Court Justice seeking lifetime appointment. That isnt something that happens with Presidential elections. Therefore there is no standard of a congressional hearing about a candidate. The comparison is simply not a valid one.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I don`t think it will give Trump any edge at all. A few short months ago Biden was viewed as one of the weaker candidates. If Biden has to step aside whoever takes his place will get the same amount of votes as Biden would have, maybe more Biden does not appeal to younger voters.
So you acknowledge there is corroboration from witnesses. And name one piece of evidence or corroboration from within 30-years of it happening supports Ford. The rationale you provided means you should believe Reade and not Ford.
James Daulton
Footballguy
The standard has been set. Ford has no direct evidence, the timing is dubious at best, and most importantly the same circumstances did not impact Kav getting the nomination. Trump and Kav set the precedent for what the standard of proof is.So you acknowledge there is corroboration from witnesses. And name one piece of evidence or corroboration from within 30-years of it happening supports Ford. The rationale you provided means you should believe Reade and not Ford.
If Biden were a SCOTUS nominee, then most definitely should have hearings on this. He's not, the voters have the info and will decide.
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squistion
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
It is pretty simple, IMO.
If you called for investigations into Kavanaugh, Trump, Fairfax, Franken, etc. and are completely dismissing any of these allegations against Biden, you are a hypocrite.
If you excused the behavior of Kavanaugh, Trump, Fairfax, Franken, etc., and thought it was all a partisan witch hunt, yet want Biden investigated, you are a hypocrite.
If you called for investigations into Kavanaugh, Trump, Fairfax, Franken, etc. and are completely dismissing any of these allegations against Biden, you are a hypocrite.
If you excused the behavior of Kavanaugh, Trump, Fairfax, Franken, etc., and thought it was all a partisan witch hunt, yet want Biden investigated, you are a hypocrite.
Travis the Chimp
Footballguy
For people like me with no dog in the fight, this is making the left look REALLY bad. The hypocrisy is off the charts. Hard to believe actually.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Agreed.
I have no dog in this fight, and it makes BOTH sides look bad, re: the hypocrisy noted in the moops post that I quoted above. It's comical the lengths some will go to, to criticize the other side while giving their side the benefit of the doubt.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Agreed, as an Independent Trump is still by far the best option. Leave sleepy Joe in the basement.
the moops
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
and....Lorraine Sanchez, who worked with Reade in the office of a California state senator in the mid-'90s, told Insider that she recalls Reade complaining at the time that her former boss in Washington, DC, had sexually harassed her, and that she had been fired after raising concerns.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I stated we will take it as a yes unless Squis refutes it and he did not refute it. So yes he believes Biden did something inappropriate.
squistion
Footballguy
Particularly since he is one of the regulars in the Trump 2020 HQs thread.
It is just as believable as all the Trump defenders here who claim they didn't vote for him.
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
The only partisan witch hunt was Kavanaugh which was certainly about protecting abortion, which she lied about under oath. There was zero to back up her claim that anything even happened let alone Kavanaugh being involved. Trump is slimely and undoubtedly guilty with far too many credible reports. Fairfax was probably guilty with two credible rape allegations from women with no motivation to lie. Franken was a victim of poor timing as his crimes were offensive but mostly just juvenal bs. Biden is probably guilty as the story is corroborated and fits his history of uncomfortable touching. Reade told her story to people while she still supported him politically.
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