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Maybe certain news channels should start running history segments between "My Pillow" and "Buy Gold" ads?
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Has the cure become worse than the disease? (1 Viewer)
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Oh, the news channel I'm watching for this hard hitting info? It's middle school history class. Seriously, go back and read about the events that led up to the Revolution. Protesting government oppression is literally how our nation got started, and protesting similar oppression now is the most American thing they can do. Oh, and just to head off this particular rabbit trail, literally nobody here is defending riots or looting, so attempting to equate them with the peaceful protests is a nonstarter.
supermike80
Footballguy
Have to go back over 200 years. Unreal---200 years!!!!!!!
I wonder if there were ever any peaceful protests that were successful since that time that didn't result in destruction.
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Amused to Death
Footballguy
supermike80
Footballguy
You guy are completely missing the point.
Go turn on CNN and come back when they help you
supermike80
Footballguy
There was that thing back in '63. Pretty peaceful. I mean just throwing out one at random.
[scooter]
Footballguy
supermike80
Footballguy
Yeah that seemed pretty effective and peaceful and no one was looted or died.
My point is(cant believe I have to spell this out but I have to understand where I am)
I find it hilarious that you guys have to go back centuries to find a riot / protest that used these methods and was a "good" one. Justifying violence and looting and murder using the Boston Tea Party or the American Revolution is just so silly.
There is ZERO justification for the violence and looting and murder happening in our cities. ZERO. Just as there was zero justification for the cop killing that poor man.
Stop it. You look ridiculous trying to defend this
[scooter]
Footballguy
I'm guessing that your source for US History didn't teach you about the Birmingham riot of 1963, then.
The conditions were not entirely dissimilar to what's happening now: whites commit violence against blacks; blacks (and white sympathizers) respond with peaceful demonstrations; minority of frustrated protesters turn to rioting.
Oh, and guess what happened? The supermikes of 1963 lumped all the protesters into one big category, wagged their figurative fingers, and said things like "This is ineffective and wrong!"
You have to be kidding. Those protests were met with all kinds of awful violence by those who refused to see them as equals. Fire hoses being set on them, dogs being set loose, oh and let's not forget the lynchings, because those were a thing, too.
supermike80
Footballguy
Oh brother. You gonna school me now? I love when you guys do this. You're getting off the point, just to try and show you "smart " you are by pulling up this little factoid. It's not impressive. If you have to go back over 200 years to find a justifying riot for what is happening today, then it clearly it is not an effective idea.
Point. But thanks. Yer super smert
supermike80
Footballguy
So now we know you don't know about the civil rights movement as well. Good to know.
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
supermike80
Footballguy
And you defend the rioters murderers and looters. I think you're worse. And don't you DARE say you don't...because you did multiple times, in this thread.
How dare you. You should be ashamed.
Only reason I even popped into this conversation. because I couldn't stand watching a person actually defend these riots using the Boston Tea Party. SHM
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supermike80
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HUNDREDS of them I guess. If you look at the mall, in the trees I guess there are a bunch of poor men hanging. But the media I guess didn't tell us about that during the march you see .John Blutarsky said:
supermike80
Footballguy
Which one? The one where I said its laughable Kal needed to look back over 2000 years to find an effective riot where people were killed and property was looted and so on? No..You didn;t do anything. You showed you don't follow well is all.
supermike80
Footballguy
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
We call them "the founding fathers".[scooter] said:
If you read anything I actually posted, I clearly stated that nobody is defending the rioters or looters, in fact I've said several times that the rioters and looters are part of the problem, but that wouldn't fit with your narrative, would it?supermike80 said:
You attempt to put words in my mouth that I never said, to support your version of an argument I never defended. You are being dishonest, and you are the one who should be ashamed.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
I haven’t been keeping up with all of the threads lately — have any of them had a discussion about the gut reactions that different people have to the looting and rioting? I think everyone largely sees these things as bad, but it seems like certain people are much more incensed about it than others.
And just so I’m not hiding the ball, I’d say I’m one of the people that isn’t especially concerned about people stealing some TVs from Target. Personally, I get much more outraged when I watch stuff like “Dirty Money” on Netflix — to me those are the really evil criminals.
ETA: This was not intended as another Trump-bashing post. I just realized that there are Dirty Money episodes about Trump and Jared Kushner but those aren’t the ones I was thinking about when I posted.
And just so I’m not hiding the ball, I’d say I’m one of the people that isn’t especially concerned about people stealing some TVs from Target. Personally, I get much more outraged when I watch stuff like “Dirty Money” on Netflix — to me those are the really evil criminals.
ETA: This was not intended as another Trump-bashing post. I just realized that there are Dirty Money episodes about Trump and Jared Kushner but those aren’t the ones I was thinking about when I posted.
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Stealthycat
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party[scooter] said:
I don't see anything about rioting, looting, burning city blocks, killing people ..... nothing.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Three days before the Boston Tea Party they set ablaze the Tea in Lexington. But they had the ocean to destroy the property in Boston. In both cases tea was historically thought to have been looted. Killing people??? Well if you exclude the War of Independence.
https://colonialtimesmagazine.com/the-lexington-tea-burning/
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Rich Conway
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I'm having a tough time distinguishing a legal or practical difference between "looting" and "destruction of private property (i.e. tea)". In both cases, group X takes something belonging to group Y. Seems to me the only difference is in what group X does with the property after taking it (keep for themselves versus destroy it).
dkp993
Footballguy
Just wait until Stealthy finds out about what they thought of and how they treated African Americans back then too. Mind blown.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Projections have been updated to an expected 201,000 US Covid-19 deaths by October 1.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/
https://covid19.healthdata.org/
The Commish
Footballguy
It would be interesting to see another poll on this now that we are further down the "cure" path. I'd definitely be changing my answer from "no" to "yes".
Rich Conway
Footballguy
You think the "lockdowns" are worse than the virus itself? Huh, would have figured you for the opposite.
The Commish
Footballguy
If you'll notice, we aren't doing what we are supposed to GB. The "cure" here, so far has been to create "guidelines" then not follow them to their end. We're opening up before we even reach the top of the first wave. That "cure" isn't going to get it. When I voted initially in this poll, I thought there might be a chance we could do the needful. As this "cure" unfolds, it's pretty clear that's not the case. As a result, I would absolutely change my vote. The path we are on is the equivalent of a prolonged "brown out" rather than a blackout for a period of time and returning, rather quickly, back to normal after the lines are fixed. Now, we're going to be playing whack-a-mole for quite some time and the uncertainty and lack of confidence is going to stall the economy/markets. This will be impacting us economically for the rest of this year and most of next. The alternative was to stay in place (as painful as it may have been) for 3-4 months and open back up with appropriate testing in place to combat flare ups so that we don't have to do massive shutdowns again because we can't figure out specifically where/how it's spreading. We had the opportunity to get out the scalpel but the American public has opted to operate with a sledge hammer.
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Rich Conway
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I'm still interpreting the original intent of the question as: Are the "recommended" actions to mitigate worse for the country than simply allowing the virus to happen (i.e. herd immunity strategy)?
I'm not sure how to properly phrase a poll question that incorporates "stupid #### the country will actually do instead of what we should do".
The Commish
Footballguy
Kind of why I thought it would be interesting to see how people answer the question now, vs then. When I answered the first time I interpreted it as "is staying in place going to kill more of us than the virus would?" because that was the talking point at the time. Of course it wasn't all that well thought out at the time....the answer was obviously "no", but now that we see the "cure" taking shape, I was left wondering if people would change their minds.
timschochet
Footballguy
Perhaps, in retrospect, this is who we are as a nation, it’s always been our collective personality. We’re simply incapable of a scalpel approach.
Rich Conway
Footballguy
Ah, that's not how I interpreted the original question. I interpreted it as "Are the recommended actions (i.e. lockdowns, stay-at-home, etc.) going to cause more damage (mostly economic) than the virus if we let it run rampant?" Put more simply, one could interpret it as "economy or health?" (of course, completely ignoring the fact that the economic damage would happen regardless because of the virus, not because of the mitigation).
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The Commish
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I don't think we are incapable, but there IS a segment of the population too lazy or uninterested to care. In my view, those people can be left behind. If they don't want to take the time to understand or learn, that's their choice. I just ask you not whine from an uninformed position. Leaders either drag those along who need help and are doing their best or cut their losses and leave behind those who have no interest in contributing to the greater cause. I also understand doing this would be detrimental to some political careers.
dgreen
Footballguy
[scooter]
Footballguy
I don't think the previous projections went to October. The last projection I recall was 145K by August 4th. (They are now projecting 149K deaths by August 4th.)
Manster
Footballguy
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Pretty sure they do. All of them. Not just the blue, not just the black - all of them.
Manster
Footballguy
Oh I agree, I was just being kind of a turd....you know the sac kings announcer lost his job for tweeting "All lives Matter", right?
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Manster
Footballguy
Oh well to get u up to speed, people are being cancelled for saying all lives matter
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Right now, the focus should rightly be on the black (once again). But thank you for trying to pick a fight with me by bumping a 2 month old post. I'm out.
Manster
Footballguy
Wow, really? You can at least appreciate the irony here, right? I wasn't trying to pick a fight at all.......Lighten up Francis
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
Bump to check the temperature of this thread. It looks like those states who stopped taking their antibiotics after a couple of days will definitely be making the cure worse than the disease.
The Commish
Footballguy
Yep...... the cure is definitely worse than the disease primarily because the solution relies on selfish people being unselfish.
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