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Pipes
Footballguy
Agreed. We were discussing that at work and we're all kind of wondering what's up. I hope he's not ill and that's is just some weird ESPN stuff going on right now.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Compared to Kiper, I always liked McShay. More info and less histrionics.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Wasn’t he considered for a front office job at one point last year?
I’ve actually come around on Kiper and have become to appreciate him more.
He’s on a segment on one of Peyton’s shows and it’s just remarkable how he got started at ESPN when not many people were doing draft analysis and has been doing this for so long. McShay is solid too though.
Faust
MVP
ESPN+ content - just published a short time ago:
2020 NFL draft rankings: Todd McShay's final top 300 prospects, plus position rankings
2020 NFL draft rankings: Todd McShay's final top 300 prospects, plus position rankings
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
does anyone actually pay for ESPN+? I pretty much ignore any of kiper/mcshay articles since they are always behind a pay wall.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
None. None of them are picking. But some do know more than others. Kiper is not one of them.
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Football Jones
Footballguy
I've paid for it in the past when I wanted to specifically look at something, but not sure I ever did more than 1 month.ILUVBEER99 said:
I like Daniel Jeremiah and Charles Davis (although he doesn't seem to be doing as much this year).
BoltBacker
Footballguy
To me Jeremiah is the prognosticator but that's a different question than which is your favorite draft analyst.
I also really enjoy Jeremiah as an analyst but would add Dane Brugler and Kyle Crabbs to the list if you want prospect analysis. I find myself disagreeing with Matt Waldman often but the way he talks about the NFL draft prospects might be the most interesting and in many ways the most honest. While most people will tell you where they rank Tee Higgins, where in the draft they expect him to go, and what his strengths are Waldman is more likely to explain the player and the type of situations that could make him excel. He doesn't seem nearly as wrapped up in rankings or probable draft spot as trying to make connections between specific skill sets and situations that would maximize that skill set(be it because of scheme or veterans around the rookie). Because of that Waldman's analysis stands out as the most different and probably the post-draft analysis I enjoy the most. Draft analysis has gotten so much better over the years there is really content for nearly any taste now.
If anything, the prognosticator angle is kind of snake oil anyway because the first trade blows up how all the other dominos were supposed to fall. There was a day when Kiper would actually get info nobody else had and would absolutely lose his #### on air if a GM made him look bad on television but fewer people claim to really know what's "going to happen" anymore. You can really tell by the way Kiper talks about the draft now because he equivocates much more than he used to. He can still be a blow-hard for sure but now he's kind of like the uncle you see at Thanksgiving every year and it's almost charming in an old-man-ranty way. At least he gets his opinions out quickly, in short bursts. There are several pod casters that insist you listen to their soliloquies about game of thrones or marvel super villains and various other navel gazing before they actually talk about football. Kiper is more along the old school Larry King "WE ARE ON THE AIR!" type of guy.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
The way NFL Network and ESPN are sharing a single broadcast this year in that deal they made, is it possible with all the personalities they have to give half the time to, he just got cut out of the broadcast in the negotiation process? Kind of awkward but would explain why he still released his personal rankings but isn't pushing any obvious ESPN-related stuff.
Idk, seems like a stretch because even if it's true he could still be doing all his normal stuff right up until the draft and then just shut up, rather than disappear 5 weeks early.
Idk, seems like a stretch because even if it's true he could still be doing all his normal stuff right up until the draft and then just shut up, rather than disappear 5 weeks early.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
It also doesn't explain why he would have seemingly ghosted on his own podcast with Kiper as mentioned earlier in the thread. That's the only way I know anything about him(I don't subscribe to cable). Since he went AWOL on the podcast I just assumed he had been doing more TV work but I guess that's not the case.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I think they used to have some giant package of football info(FBG, ESPN+, Outsiders, etc, etc) for a huge discount and I was a subscriber to that for a few years. Even then I didn't use the ESPN+ much if I'm being honest.ILUVBEER99 said:
Football Jones
Footballguy
Maybe McShay is depressed he's going to lose his $5,000 bet with Kiper about who goes first between Herbert & Love (he took Love).
Just kidding, I like McShay. The money is going to charity.
Just kidding, I like McShay. The money is going to charity.
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BoltBacker
Footballguy
Football Jones
Footballguy
Football Jones
Footballguy
I'm listening to one of FirstDraft's podcasts & McShay said in passing he's been sick, although, he gave no details (other than Kiper called to check on him). I got the vibe it wasn't serious.
Maybe that's why he kinda disappeared?
Maybe that's why he kinda disappeared?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
That would make sense. I kind of assumed he was either sick, a family member was very sick or he got suspended for flashing his wang to some female staff on a company zoom call.
MAC_32
Footballguy
The up-and-comer. Once they adapt to life in the machine the quality of their content is effected. Mayock was great when he first came up on NFLN, but eventually his analysis was replaced with trying to identify where players would go instead of who he thought was under valued. If you listen you could still pick up on who he clearly liked more than others though. Jeremiah is going through something similar right now. Matt Miller on Bleacher Report too. @BoltBacker mentioned him, but I hope Dane Brugler is the next one to get elevated. He'd be great on NFLN for a few years until the machine gets to him too.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Pipes
Footballguy
Johnny B. Goode
Footballguy
good to hear it wasnt a serious situation/reaction
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I just heard we get to be graced by the wisdom of Booger McFarland instead.
This does not seem like an improvement.
This does not seem like an improvement.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Boog has started out strong though telling Kiper how he doesn't know jack.
It was a lay up but hey good start.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
He was on Adam Schefter's podcast discussing his battle. I didn't listen just saw it on Adam's Instagram.
