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was watching a replay of Randy Johnson's perfect game last night, and the announcers blagged on about which baseball record is toughest to beat. 

 dude said that according to the oddsmakers, Joe D's 56 game hitting streak has the least amount of probability. 

whaaa?? 

to me, it's Cy Young's 511 career wins - no one will ever come remotely close, you'd need to average 20 wins per year for 25 seasons to still be 12 short of breaking it.   this will stand forever, so i won't include it in this pole. 

so let's look at these 2, alongside the 56 straight ...

i think one that is tougher than 56 straight, and it's rarely talked about - Johnny Vander Meer's back to back no- hitters.  

to break that record one would need to throw three consecutive no-hitters.   

yeah, no. 

i'll also toss Ripken's 2,632 consecutive games up in here, seeing as how that's gonna take the better part of 14 and 1/2 seasons of appearing in every game to break.  

as far as Joe D's 56 straight, Rose threatened with 44, iirc - so he was in the ballpark - 

but no pitcher has ever tossed back to back no hitters to even remotely challenge Vander Meer -

and Ripken more than doubles the cat in third place (we all know about Gehrig, but Everett Scott did hold the previous record with 1,307) ... the closest current guy was Alcides Escobar, who topped out at 421 straight - less than 20% of Ripken's mark. 

 

sooo ... who ya got as toughest to beat after Young's 511?

:popcorn:

 

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1 minute ago, otb_lifer said:

was watching a replay of Randy Johnson's perfect game last night, and the announcers blagged on about which baseball record is toughest to beat. 

 dude said that according to the oddsmakers, Joe D's 56 game hitting streak has the least amount of probability. 

whaaa?? 

to me, it's Cy Young's 511 career wins - no one will ever come remotely close, you'd need to average 20 wins per year for 25 seasons to still be 12 short of breaking it.   this will stand forever, so i won't include it in this pole. 

so let's look at these 2, alongside the 56 straight ...

i think one that is tougher than 56 straight, and it's rarely talked about - Johnny Vander Meer's back to back no- hitters.  

to break that record one would need to throw three consecutive no-hitters.   

yeah, no. 

i'll also toss Ripken's 2,632 consecutive games up in here, seeing as how that's gonna take the better part of 14 and 1/2 seasons of appearing in every game to break.  

as far as Joe D's 56 straight, Rose threatened with 44, iirc - so he was in the ballpark - 

but no pitcher has ever tossed back to back no hitters to even remotely challenge Vander Meer -

and Ripken more than doubles the cat in third place (we all know about Gehrig, but Everett Scott did hold the previous record with 1,307) ... the closest current guy was Alcides Escobar, who topped out at 421 straight - less than 20% of Ripken's mark. 

 

sooo ... who ya got as toughest to beat after Young's 511?

:popcorn:

 

Two grand slams in the same inning against the same pitcher.

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10 minutes ago, otb_lifer said:

nice. 

but i'm hoping to settle a bet with the three i listed. 

:coffee:

While Ripken's records isn't likely to be beat, if some one really set out to do it, it would seem possible at least. While back to back to back no-hitters isn't literally impossible for all intents and purposes it sure seems to be (heck three complete games in a row would be a feat in modern baseball).

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Went with Ripken, as improbable as the other two are there’s still a chance

in today’s game I just don’t see anyone playing that long without a day off.  You’d have to be an absolute superstar to even garner that kind of everyday PT, and with the investment teams make in these guys any minor nagging injury is going to get them a day of rest

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1 minute ago, Dr. Octopus said:

While Ripken's records isn't likely to be beat, if some one really set out to do it, it would seem possible at least. While back to back to back no-hitters isn't literally impossible for all intents and purposes it sure seems to be (heck three complete games in a row would be a feat in modern baseball).

yep, exactly what i think as well. 

it's attrition vs achievement 

your point about 3 consecutive complete games, let alone no-hitters, really hammers it home.  

 

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4 minutes ago, Dan Lambskin said:

Went with Ripken, as improbable as the other two are there’s still a chance

in today’s game I just don’t see anyone playing that long without a day off.  You’d have to be an absolute superstar to even garner that kind of everyday PT, and with the investment teams make in these guys any minor nagging injury is going to get them a day of rest

as i said above, it's a case of attrition - not to downplay it, but the other two will require some amazing luck/talent - showing up for 2,663 is not easy, but i think it's easier - someone sets out to do that, it can be done. 

no player can set out to do the other two simply by showing up. 

ftr, i don't see it (2,663) happening. 

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Just now, BroncoFreak_2K3 said:

Cy Young’s 511. The game is altogether different now

thanks for reading the body :thumbup:

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consecutive games will be the easiest of the three. Most guys keep themselves in great shape.

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I think the hitting streak is the "easiest". I dont know which of the other two is hardest, but neither will happen. 

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10 minutes ago, Getzlaf15 said:

consecutive games will be the easiest of the three. Most guys keep themselves in great shape.

Doesnt matter. Players rarely play the 16 or so years needed to get to 2600. Additionally, I think only 5 players played all 162 last year, so essentially, no current players have a chance. 

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Can we toss in Cy Young's loss record too? 

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1 minute ago, Zow said:

Can we toss in Cy Young's loss record too? 

 

46 minutes ago, otb_lifer said:

nice. 

but i'm hoping to settle a bet with the three i listed. 

:coffee:

:coffee:

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47 minutes ago, otb_lifer said:

was watching a replay of Randy Johnson's perfect game last night, and the announcers blagged on about which baseball record is toughest to beat. 

 dude said that according to the oddsmakers, Joe D's 56 game hitting streak has the least amount of probability.

 

This is what I went with.

B2B no-hitters.  Somebody with crazy stuff with luck to play a crappy team twice in a row could do it.  Would need a little luck with the teams and in the field.  The starting streak is unbelievable and to be honest, I don't think it will ever be broken but it could.  Plenty of MLB players don't miss games because of real injuries.  IF a manager decides to play his best player every game and they play through small injuries it could be done.  The reason it won't is load management and salaries but I think it would be the easiest to accomplish if someone just let it happen. 

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Voted the consecutive games.  Heard a fun little fact the other day that when Ripken started the streak in the beginning, he went up against Gaylord Parry (Perry?) who started pitching in MLB when JFK was in office.  Towards the end of the streak, Ripken faced Bartolo Colon who pitched into the Trump presidency.  Thought that was neat as a history nerd.

So I voted, but as a huge fan, I'd like to mention Nolan Ryan's 5,700+ strike outs.  Randy Johnson is #2 at 4,800.  That's an astounding gap.

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Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

This is what I went with.

B2B no-hitters.  Somebody with crazy stuff with luck to play a crappy team twice in a row could do it. 

twice only ties it :shrug:

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4 minutes ago, Zow said:

Can we toss in Cy Young's loss record too? 

So long as we can toss Nolan Ryan's walk record too. ;)

 

Sorry OTB, I'll try to keep it on point. 

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Three no-hitters in a row seems like an impossibility but flukey things can and do happen in sports.  I just can't envision the modern athlete breaking Ripken's record.  Not with 'load management' and new-wave managers trying to out fox the game of baseball.  The hitting streak to me is there for the taking.  I could see some of these young cats gunning for it.  Trout or Yelich or Betts have a lot of baseball ahead of them and they are so f'n good at being selective and putting the ball in play.

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38 minutes ago, otb_lifer said:

yep, exactly what i think as well. 

it's attrition vs achievement 

your point about 3 consecutive complete games, let alone no-hitters, really hammers it home.  

 

Poll does not say complete game no-hitters. Do combined no-hitters count for this purpose?

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it's 2663, for a similar reason as the 511. the money in the game & whole load-management (FFA term for troll suspension?) thing have made it virtually oompossible

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Posted (edited)
32 minutes ago, otb_lifer said:

thanks for reading the body :thumbup:

Wow, can’t even agree with the OP. Tough crowd today.

2663 is pretty much unattainable as well IMO.

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Just now, Don Quixote said:

Do combined no-hitters count for this purpose?

nope.

i specified breaking Vandy's mark, which was consecutive complete game no hitters.

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Just now, BroncoFreak_2K3 said:

Wow, can’t even agree with the OP. Tough crowd today.

:lmao:

i needed a vote - if you gave one, thanks :thumbup:

 

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57 game hit streak, pitching is just way too good, never happening again... 

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Posted (edited)

Nobody will ever break Cal Ripken's consecutive games played record that came in over 16 MLB seasons of playing every single game.

First of all you have to be good enough to last at least 17 seasons in MLB which is a feat in itself, second you have to never be injured and if you play FBB you know how red flags are on your roster everyday and how difficult that is.

Third you have to have a manger willing to put you in 162 times a year.   Ripken got a great start on his streak as his dad Cal Ripken SR was his manager while getting the streak going.  Once it turned into the Ironman streak no manager wanted to break it even when he was struggling and needed a rest.   I think the longest active streak now is around 250 games.

 

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1 minute ago, fantasycurse42 said:

57 game hit streak, pitching is just way too good, never happening again... 

it's lagging behind 15 (no hitters) to 15 (2,663) to 5 in votes atm.

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Went with games played streak.  No one is going to beat that one.  3 consecutive no-nos is probably impossible, but who knows.  

Another record that is not going to be touched is Pete Rose's 4256 hits.  No way no how.  Still can't believe he's not in the HOF.  Probably after he passes.  

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Posted (edited)

Voted 2663, since that is a long career that most players don't get, on top of a multitude of reasons to miss a game due to injury/sickness/having a baby/bereavement etc. Plus I imagine there will be more effort to rest players in the future for health reasons, kind of how much more rare it became for a NFL RB to get 400+ carries (or even 350) again. In the top 50 RB carries/year there is 1 RB from the last 10 years (Murray in 2014). Granted there are changes to the game that also affect that, but in general I think coaches for the most part are less likely to run players into the ground as fast as they did in the past.

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2,663 is the most likely to fall on this list, imo. 

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Posted (edited)

Other: Walter Johnson’s 110 complete game shutouts. 

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Just read about the bet - voted 3 no-no’s
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Posted (edited)

As stated above, Ripken's record will undoubtedly stand because today's game - and today's players - are not set up to achieve that milestone between injuries, lineup maneuverings, player desire, etc. 

That said, statistically speaking, I think it has a better chance of happening than three straight no-hitters if a superstar wants to break Ripken's record badly enough. With no-hitters, there are an inordinate number of variables that have to play out perfectly to pitch one no-hitter, let alone three of them in succession.

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24 minutes ago, otb_lifer said:

 

:coffee:

I also doubt that any Niner team will break the greatest record of all time at 15-1... ;) 

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1 minute ago, Zow said:

I also doubt that any Niner team will break the greatest record of all time at 15-1... ;) 

2007 Pats down?

:D

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2 minutes ago, otb_lifer said:

2007 Pats down?

:D

Still not as good as the '72 Dolphins :coffee: 

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I am shocked it's so close.  3 consecutive no-hitters will never ever happen.  Think of it this way - the other records have already been achieved, right?  2 consecutive no-hitters has been done only 1 time in history.  If the poll was to repeat that, I would've voted Ripken's streak.

 

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1 minute ago, TheWinz said:

I am shocked it's so close.  3 consecutive no-hitters will never ever happen.  Think of it this way - the other records have already been achieved, right?  2 consecutive no-hitters has been done only 1 time in history.  If the poll was to repeat that, I would've voted Ripken's streak.

 

Yeah this was my vote given the way the poll has been written in that somebody has to break it by eclipsing is (I'd probably give equal improbability to breaking the two grand slams in one inning record because just getting that third AB is so improbable). 

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This is a very easy choice to me.  Ripkens record may be the "easiest" to break however with the money in today's game and the knowledge of nutrition/fitness there is no reason to go after that record.  Days off are part of the way to stay fresh for the important games that matter and since the money is so good players don't need to play as long as they once did.  I am sure some may play for that long but a day off in year 3 and they start over.   There is no incentive to beat it.

 

The other two would take a lot of luck (especially hitting streak) and likely won't happen but all it takes is someone on a hot streak in one season to get it done.  That seems more likely than someone playing day in and day out for 16 and a half years

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2 minutes ago, Zow said:

Yeah this was my vote given the way the poll has been written in that somebody has to break it by eclipsing it

it's not how it's written, it's flat out statistical reality - one has to throw three straight to best it - that's fact, not semantics. 

ftr, in Vandy's start after the two straight, he carried a no-hitter into the 4th  ... so dude went 21 straight no hit innings. 

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19 minutes ago, fantasycurse42 said:

2,663 is the most likely to fall on this list, imo. 

Even if the players are good enough to last that long, would anyone even want to go after that streak? 

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12 minutes ago, zamboni said:

As stated above, Ripken's record will undoubtedly stand because today's game - and today's players - are not set up to achieve that milestone between injuries, lineup maneuverings, player desire, etc. 

That said, statistically speaking, I think it has a better chance of happening than three straight no-hitters if a superstar wants to break Ripken's record badly enough. With no-hitters, there are an inordinate number of variables that have to play out perfectly to pitch one no-hitter, let alone three of them in succession.

and the money in the game. i know it's a different sport, but i heard yesterday that mediocre QB Alex Smith has booked over $160million in lifetime earnings. There ain't a precaution a person wouldnt take to protect that kind of earning potential, no matter how determined to dance all the dances they might be

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Ripkens record will never be approached. Load mgmt will see to that. 

Ripken wouldnt have even had a chance to break gehrigs in today's game.

Three no hitters will probably never happen either and load mgmt would play there as well, but you just never know how talented a future guy could be and could straddle a season or even personal leave or load mgmt IR trips. 

The longest streaks lately are what 400 games? Not only do you have to stay healthy and not have a team load manage you, you also have to remain the statistical better play analytically every day for 16 years? Yeah, nope. 

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I went Ripken and  thanks for making me go down a 60 minute you tube wormhole of home run videos. ;)

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No pitcher has ever thrown 3 consecutive no-hitters.  Here are a few other things that have never happened, but are more likely...

- Back to back perfect games
- Perfect game with 27 strikeouts
- 5 HR's in a game
- Hitting for the cycle twice in the same game

I don't think some people are really getting the magnitude of 3 no-no's.  It's like Usain Bolt running sub 9 seconds!  :)

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11 minutes ago, otb_lifer said:

50 votes in ...

23 Ripken

22 Vandy

5 Joe D

:popcorn:

Well, at least 22 voted correctly

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3 minutes ago, TheWinz said:

No pitcher has ever thrown 3 consecutive no-hitters.  Here are a few other things that have never happened, but are more likely...

- Back to back perfect games
- Perfect game with 27 strikeouts
- 5 HR's in a game
- Hitting for the cycle twice in the same game

I don't think some people are really getting the magnitude of 3 no-no's.  It's like Usain Bolt running sub 9 seconds!  :)

 

:goodposting:

 

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I agree with the 3 straight no hitters being the hardest.

"2,663 Consecutive Games Played" is literally a participation trophy.

 

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