IvanKaramazov
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If you were Joe Biden, would you voluntarily put yourself in the position of being the only obstacle separating Hillary Clinton from the presidency?
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In addition, a lot of people, myself included, have zero desire to see Hillary in office. Never mind the fact that if they run and win, Trump's supporters are going to scream bloody murder about trying to undo 2016, or some other such nonsense.
Are there really no other choices than the 5 listed here? I mean other than Amy the other 4 are probably NON STARTERS, full stop.
whoknew
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Leroy Hoard
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Tough comment around here. When they have no logical response, attacking the poster is all they have.
Sho actually thought people were talking about how hot Stacy Abrams is. Seriously.
Leroy Hoard
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sho nuff
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Hotness talk of supermodel in another thread...I think people believed the article was claiming that.
sho nuff
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pollardsvision
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I'm not sure, but I do think Warren makes a lot of sense.
I wanted a moderate, but once all the non-80 year old moderates had dropped out, I voted for her.
Out of her, Trump, Pence, and Biden, she's easily the sharpest. That'd be true of any VP he picks, but especially Warren.
Biden picks her and he both throws a bone to the progressives and picks the most experienced, qualified candidate should she need to step in (given Biden's age and general wherewithal, it's important).
A progressive on the ticket is risky, but I think it makes sense because progressive agendas only gain steam in times of crisis (this is one of those), and the entire point of Biden is so he can win over moderates in swing states. If he can't actually do that, what's the point? He needs to do his job, then let her go get disgruntled progressives.
I wanted a moderate, but once all the non-80 year old moderates had dropped out, I voted for her.
Out of her, Trump, Pence, and Biden, she's easily the sharpest. That'd be true of any VP he picks, but especially Warren.
Biden picks her and he both throws a bone to the progressives and picks the most experienced, qualified candidate should she need to step in (given Biden's age and general wherewithal, it's important).
A progressive on the ticket is risky, but I think it makes sense because progressive agendas only gain steam in times of crisis (this is one of those), and the entire point of Biden is so he can win over moderates in swing states. If he can't actually do that, what's the point? He needs to do his job, then let her go get disgruntled progressives.
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Thunderlips
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Out of the list....I'd say Harris.
I think it's going to be Susan Rice. She has experience on a big stage. Being in the Executive Branch won't intimidate her. She harkens back to Obama.
I think it's going to be Susan Rice. She has experience on a big stage. Being in the Executive Branch won't intimidate her. She harkens back to Obama.
BobbyLayne
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Vegas agrees with @Leroy Hoard
2020 Democratic Vice Presidential Betting Odds
Candidate Odds
Kamala Harris+160
Amy Klobuchar+575
Elizabeth Warren+600
Gretchen Whitmer+650
Michelle Obama+800
Stacey Abrams+1000
Hillary Clinton+1700
Catherine Cortez Masto+2000
2020 Democratic Vice Presidential Betting Odds
Candidate Odds
Kamala Harris+160
Amy Klobuchar+575
Elizabeth Warren+600
Gretchen Whitmer+650
Michelle Obama+800
Stacey Abrams+1000
Hillary Clinton+1700
Catherine Cortez Masto+2000
timschochet
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Because he’s mocking me by using the phrase “full stop.” I use that a lot. But it’s only when I’m right, full stop.
timschochet
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Abrams is way too low on that list. She’s a reasonable choice; Michelle Obama isn’t.
Leroy Hoard
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I'd say the front runner is Klobuchar - but she would be very low on my own personal list.
But, she seems to be the one least making a public push for the position - either on her own, or by her surrogates. I figure the louder the public push, the less likely the choice is for the position.
But, she seems to be the one least making a public push for the position - either on her own, or by her surrogates. I figure the louder the public push, the less likely the choice is for the position.
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Dan Lambskin
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I think Warren is horribly unlikeable and might turn more voters off than she would bring on
Summer Wheat
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The PSF is even making the mild mannered, funny Leroy nasty as of late. This is a tough joint for sure.
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Drunken Cowboy
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BobbyLayne said:
timschochet said:
Money put on Clinton, Warren, or Obama is thrown away. Not going to happen.
Grisham is far more likely than any of those three.
I except Harris as Attorney General not VP.
pollardsvision
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Maybe. Likability is hard to quantify.Dan Lambskin said:
What I do know is that she was just in the same primary field as the "FBG overwhelming favorite for VP", Klobuchar. 494,000 Democrats cast their vote for Klobuchar. FBG's 2nd favorite choice, Harris, received 800 freaking votes (of course because she dropped out so early because her campaign was a dumpster fire).
The unlikable Warren got 2,600,000 votes. Somebody "likes" her.
Yes, I know the field was awfully crowded for moderates. Hell, let's throw in Pete (850,000 votes). If he were female, no doubt he'd be popular choice for VP.
So, if you combine all the votes for the beloved Amy, Pete, and Kamala, and then double them, you have almost as many people that "liked" Elizabeth Warren. Almost. This, in a time when the Democratic Party was absolutely desperate for an electable, lucid moderate.
If you believe this election is about turn out and that the progressive wing of the Party feels like they've been neglected once again, I think Warren makes a lot of sense.
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fatguyinalittlecoat
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I’m a Warren supporter but this feels pretty misleading. Warren stayed in the race on Super Tuesday, Klobuchar and Buttigieg didn’t. That’s a big reason for the vote disparity.
pollardsvision
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Excellent point. Best I can tell, Warren had about 800,00 votes heading into Super Tuesday.
KiddLattimer
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Plus I don't think she's as big a draw to Berners as some people think.Dan Lambskin said:
Warren's campaign spent $33 million, most of which was raised in the early stages.
Klobuchar's campaign spent $12 million, the vast majority of which wasn't raised until after New Hampshire.
There's a correlation between money and votes.
https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/summary?cid=N00033492
https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/summary?cid=N00027500
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pollardsvision
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Klobuchar being vettted.
From a glance, it's clear the Twitterverse is not excited. It's also clear they don't understand that vetting does not equal picking.
I don't envy Biden here. The Party is so divided. Whoever he picks is going to anger a big chunk of them.
From a glance, it's clear the Twitterverse is not excited. It's also clear they don't understand that vetting does not equal picking.
I don't envy Biden here. The Party is so divided. Whoever he picks is going to anger a big chunk of them.
KiddLattimer
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@robrousseau
folks, when you have a far left radical like Joe Biden at the top of the ticket, you need to bring in a Klobuchar-like figure to appeal to those moderate swing voters. the adults in the room understand this
folks, when you have a far left radical like Joe Biden at the top of the ticket, you need to bring in a Klobuchar-like figure to appeal to those moderate swing voters. the adults in the room understand this
squistion
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Joe Biden is a far left radical?
Okie Dokie Pokie. That should come as a surprise to those who are labeling Biden as a center right candidate and no different than any generic Republican.
KiddLattimer
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I've heard he has the MostJoe Biden is a far left radical?
Progressive Platform Ever 
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msudaisy26
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This is just my opinion, but I feel like it is Whitmer. She has been viewed as extremely liberal since becoming the Governor of Michigan. She checks all the boxes, young, female and liberal. Almost as if she is a way to get the "Bernie Bros" to hold their nose and vote for Biden and hope he is a one term president and gives way to his VP.
Plus she has fought a lot of GoP in court and citizens protesting as if she doesn't care about re-election for governor. Just my 2 cents.
Plus she has fought a lot of GoP in court and citizens protesting as if she doesn't care about re-election for governor. Just my 2 cents.
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pollardsvision
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Don't judge me, but I actually made a variation of Amy's Hot Dish for dinner. I added some roasted Anaheim chiles, but otherwise, her recipe.
Anyway, we desperately need mail in voting. Not just because of Covid, but if too many people eat this Hot Dish, they'll feel like they have a lead brick inside them and can't muster the energy to leave the house.
Anyway, we desperately need mail in voting. Not just because of Covid, but if too many people eat this Hot Dish, they'll feel like they have a lead brick inside them and can't muster the energy to leave the house.
caustic
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Interestingly, Abrams’ relative success in 2018 was due to inroads with white voters. Her margins among nonwhite voters were actually worse than Hillary’s in 2016. https://medium.com/@CatalistAnalytics/what-happened-in-the-georgia-gubernatorial-election-32e06254c0ab
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caustic
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Democrats have supermajorities in both chambers of the MA legislature, so it’s likely they’d change the rules regarding Senate vacancies if Warren is picked. They’ve already done it twice in recent history — in 2004 to keep Gov. Mitt Romney from replacing John Kerry, and in 2009 so that Gov. Deval Patrick could temporarily replace Ted Kennedy with a Democrat who would vote for the ACA.
hooter311
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It won't be Kamala Harris. Her trajectory is towards the attorney general and/or supreme court justice.
It won't be Warren. They need her in the Senate and strategically there is too much risk she attempts to outshine Biden on the campaign trail. From her point of view it may make more sense to strengthen her position for a 2024 run and maintain some distance from jumping on team Biden.
It won't be Abrams. You don't attempt to strong arm the position on national television like she did on the View. Joe is old school.
The Corona response is going to make it unlikely for Whitmer to be able to accept the nomination and avoid career ending backlash of abandoning her state during a crisis after imposing more restrictions than the rest of the country.
Generally the nomination goes to a senator or a governor but the combined affects of both Corona and a tight Senate majority might open the door for someone like Mayor Bottoms from Atlanta.
The job is 100% Michelle Obama's of she wants it. I don't think she does, but I could be wrong or she could change her mind.
Turnout is going to improve the ticket's chances so there is a ton of racial pressure to choose an African American or Latino.
Strategically, if team Biden determines that Demings will secure them Florida, she should arguably be the current favorite.
Klobuchar, Demings, Matso, and Grisham are all +EV at current sportsbook odds.
If something catastrophic were to happen to the Biden campaign after the convention, the party would almost certainly have to turn to Hilary because they wouldn't have time to position anyone else and have any type of chance. If it does end up being Hillary, Castro from Texas would be her most likely vp.
It won't be Warren. They need her in the Senate and strategically there is too much risk she attempts to outshine Biden on the campaign trail. From her point of view it may make more sense to strengthen her position for a 2024 run and maintain some distance from jumping on team Biden.
It won't be Abrams. You don't attempt to strong arm the position on national television like she did on the View. Joe is old school.
The Corona response is going to make it unlikely for Whitmer to be able to accept the nomination and avoid career ending backlash of abandoning her state during a crisis after imposing more restrictions than the rest of the country.
Generally the nomination goes to a senator or a governor but the combined affects of both Corona and a tight Senate majority might open the door for someone like Mayor Bottoms from Atlanta.
The job is 100% Michelle Obama's of she wants it. I don't think she does, but I could be wrong or she could change her mind.
Turnout is going to improve the ticket's chances so there is a ton of racial pressure to choose an African American or Latino.
Strategically, if team Biden determines that Demings will secure them Florida, she should arguably be the current favorite.
Klobuchar, Demings, Matso, and Grisham are all +EV at current sportsbook odds.
If something catastrophic were to happen to the Biden campaign after the convention, the party would almost certainly have to turn to Hilary because they wouldn't have time to position anyone else and have any type of chance. If it does end up being Hillary, Castro from Texas would be her most likely vp.
Punxsutawney Phil
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A vote for Klobuchar is a vote for Trump. Hillary didn't get the black vote, and Biden sure as hell isn't going to get it with a white running mate. Especially after his comment "if you vote for Trump your not black". Gillum would have been great, but I think Abrams & Harris are meh at this point. Michelle Obama is likely the only one who can save the ticket at this point.
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