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3 minutes ago, Challenge Everything said:

Need to save Harris for AG and later for SCOTUS if a seat opens. 

Need to save Obama for SCOTUS. Trump brought up the Supreme Court in his campaign and while I don’t think Biden should bring it up, if it is brought up from the Right, abide  should be ready with a short list with Obama near the top  

Need a younger, more Progressive, on the ticket. Not Warren, and AOC is too young. I’m not sure who might be in that 45-55 age range. 

Never going to happen but Nina Turner fits that bill

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4 minutes ago, huthut said:

Not trying to sell you on Biden, but in my mind the most optimistic scenario of Biden winning would be something like Virginia, where even though Northam and others are pretty conservative, they have still be passing some legislation that seems more progressive than they are as a whole.

It could just as easily be more "compromise to a Republican position before negotiations start" as well, which would be a pessimistic scenario.

Yea don't get me wrong he's still better than Trump and gun to my head I'd rather seem him win.  I'm in NY where Biden is going to win by 30 points anyway so I have some flexibility... if I lived in Ohio or something maybe I'd hold my nose and do it.

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21 hours ago, Stuart_Little said:

I voted Harris when this thread started but would like to withdraw that vote and write in Tammy Duckworth. She makes a lot more sense than anyone else in the field, all who have significant negatives and limited upside. Apparently Bob Dole talked her into entering public life while she was recovering at Walter Reed after the Blackhawk she was piloting was shot down by a rocket-propelled grenade in Iraq (which cost both her legs). Plus, she's awesome.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammy_Duckworth#cite_note-63

 

absolutely, unless there are skeletons.

extremely likable, fierce, youngish, seems smart, disabled veteran hero, female Senator of color from the midwest (yeah Illinois, but maybe support would bleed into nearby states), with more experience than the last two presidents, but not a long time D.C. insider.  and another democrat would take her seat.

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50 minutes ago, Challenge Everything said:

Need to save Harris for AG and later for SCOTUS if a seat opens. 

Need to save Obama for SCOTUS. Trump brought up the Supreme Court in his campaign and while I don’t think Biden should bring it up, if it is brought up from the Right, abide  should be ready with a short list with Obama near the top  

Need a younger, more Progressive, on the ticket. Not Warren, and AOC is too young. I’m not sure who might be in that 45-55 age range. 

Obama would be a great choice but he turns 59 in August and may too old as he wouldn't serve as long as a 40 something selection.

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Dan Merica @merica

Rep. James Clyburn tells reporters that Amy Klobuchar's chances of becoming Biden's running mate have been damaged by the unrest in Minnesota: “We are all victims sometimes of timing... This is very tough timing for Amy Klobuchar."

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1 hour ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

I voted for Warren in the MD primary this coming Tuesday specifically to try to influence Biden's choice.  I'm hoping other people are thinking the same way.

As a Warren supporter myself I want her on the ticket for lots of reasons, including the fact that I think whoever the VP is will be the Democratic nominee in 2024.

That said, Liz on the ticket hurts the Senate math big time, right?  So I'm torn. 

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1 minute ago, tommyGunZ said:

As a Warren supporter myself I want her on the ticket for lots of reasons, including the fact that I think whoever the VP is will be the Democratic nominee in 2024.

That said, Liz on the ticket hurts the Senate math big time, right?  So I'm torn. 

For the same reason, it is unlikely Biden picks her. I can't imagine he wants her to be the 2024 nominee. Ideology is part of that. It also just needs to be someone under 60.

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2 minutes ago, tommyGunZ said:

As a Warren supporter myself I want her on the ticket for lots of reasons, including the fact that I think whoever the VP is will be the Democratic nominee in 2024.

That said, Liz on the ticket hurts the Senate math big time, right?  So I'm torn. 

Yes, no, maybe...

As I understand it, the rules as they exist today would allow the governor to appoint someone to fill that seat, should Biden/Warren win, for a period of about 4 months until a special election would occur.  However, I believe it's also possible that a D controlled state legislature could modify those rules between now and then.

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1 minute ago, Drunken Cowboy said:

For the same reason, it is unlikely Biden picks her. I can't imagine he wants her to be the 2024 nominee. Ideology is part of that. It also just needs to be someone under 60.

Someone not a senator in a state that could flip, someone not old, someone not an unpopular governor during the current situation.

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7 minutes ago, Leroy Hoard said:

Someone not a senator in a state that could flip, someone not old, someone not an unpopular governor during the current situation.

Sure, those are all good.  Personally, I'm still holding firm on my number one criteria being "someone who is not Donald Trump".

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23 minutes ago, tommyGunZ said:

As a Warren supporter myself I want her on the ticket for lots of reasons, including the fact that I think whoever the VP is will be the Democratic nominee in 2024.

That said, Liz on the ticket hurts the Senate math big time, right?  So I'm torn. 

Yeah it's a drawback but it's impossible to tell how significant a drawback.  If the Senate is split 50-50 then yeah, that's terrible.  If Dems have a seat or two to spare, or are a seat or two short, it's not as big a deal to lose that vote temporarily.  I think I'm willing to take the risk because I view her as far superior to the alternatives that appear to be under serious consideration.

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59 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

Dan Merica @merica

Rep. James Clyburn tells reporters that Amy Klobuchar's chances of becoming Biden's running mate have been damaged by the unrest in Minnesota: “We are all victims sometimes of timing... This is very tough timing for Amy Klobuchar."

Clyburn saved Biden. August is far away but that does not bode well for Klobucher.

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Can we redo the poll without Klobuchar as an option? 

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Biden in an interview I am watching just went on about having to prosecute bad cops. About not remaining silent. Can’t see how Klobuchar isn’t off the list. 

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8 minutes ago, The General said:

Biden in an interview I am watching just went on about having to prosecute bad cops. About not remaining silent. Can’t see how Klobuchar isn’t off the list. 

It's one thing to make a generic statement about prosecuting bad cops. It's another thing to make a specific statement about George Floyd where you invoke the word "justice." That's too much of a liberal code word for many undecided voters.

She's done.

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1 hour ago, squistion said:

Obama would be a great choice but he turns 59 in August and may too old as he wouldn't serve as long as a 40 something selection.

Does Obama want this? I'm quite ignorant, but I can't imagine the quality of life for a Supreme Court Justice would be acceptable to a former President. Chained to a courtroom in Washington DC? Ugh. 

It seems like a weird job for a dude that's already held the most prestigious job title in the world, has a bunch of money, and hasn't practiced law in 25 years. 

Is there any way he could officially be a Justice and just have some lackey sitting in court for him while he travels? 

 

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1 minute ago, pollardsvision said:

Does Obama want this? I'm quite ignorant, but I can't imagine the quality of life for a Supreme Court Justice would be acceptable to a former President. Chained to a courtroom in Washington DC? Ugh. 

It seems like a weird job for a dude that's already held the most prestigious job title in the world, has a bunch of money, and hasn't practiced law in 25 years. 

Is there any way he could officially be a Justice and just have some lackey sitting in court for him while he travels? 

 

All the Obama and wife stuff are nothing. Neither one wants or needs that after 8 years in the spotlight.

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3 hours ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

Katie Porter!!

 

3 hours ago, KiddLattimer said:

Never going to happen but Nina Turner fits that bill

I've seen Porter some because she makes good videos, informs her voters, and was part of the impeachment (I believe) questioning. Interesting but doubtful, imo. But, would not mind hearing more.

Nina Turner, have not heard about her but would like to know more. Snippets to point to?

Tammy Duckworth... have not heard anything about, so, probably out due to lack of name recognition.

It is nice to see that there are some around other than the Big 4 that get talked about although Ayanna Pressley, I have liked what I have seen from her.

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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1266528606055874560

Sen. Kamala Harris:

"America is in pain right now because that man, George Floyd, should not be dead. He is dead. He is dead and black blood stains the sidewalks of America. And so when we are watching the protests, it is an expression of deep pain." @MSNBC

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1 hour ago, Challenge Everything said:

Nina Turner, have not heard about her but would like to know more. Snippets to point to?

She's the president of Our Revolution and was the co-chair of Bernie's campaign. Before that an Ohio state senator. Very progressive, very inspiring woman. Delivers a great speech and doesn't deal with bull #### well. She has a VERY strong progressive personality that I guarantee the DNC / Donors would not accept. Here's a great speech she delivered at the Queens rally... very timely message, especially with everything going on right now. 

She's been flirting a bit with some 3rd party platforms (for the future).  If any progressive has a chance at being the lefty version of Ross Perot in 2024 it could be her. 

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Demings is going to be the pick.  

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Ex-president appearance fees for an evening are double what a supreme court justice makes in a year......I love me a long shot, but that's just never going to happen.

 

Kamala Harris is getting the next supreme court seat if Biden wins.

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Hooter's current short list....

1) Demings (4-1 or better at offshore sportsbooks is some serious +ev)

2). Bottoms

3) Grisham

4) Rice

5) Baldwin

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, hooter311 said:

Hooter's current short list....

1) Demings (4-1 or better at offshore sportsbooks is some serious +ev)

5) Baldwin

As in Tammy Baldwin? No chance in hell she is the VP candidate.

Demings is too new, imo.

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1 minute ago, timschochet said:

I’ve said all along it will be a black woman. 

Firmly believe that the job was klobuchar's before this debacle.

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16 hours ago, Max Power said:

Can we redo the poll without Klobuchar as an option? 

Can get rid of Whitmer too.   Her wealthy, privileged whitey woman background won`t cut the mustard now.

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46 minutes ago, Challenge Everything said:

As in Tammy Baldwin? No chance in hell she is the VP candidate.

Demings is too new, imo.

We're all new to the current state of the world.

Demings has the support of Biden's wife and was fundraising on Friday with her and the Women for Biden organization. I do think Demings was behind Rice until the last couple weeks.  I agree that it's very unusual for the pick to not be a senator or governor but Kamala is the only black female of either designation at the moment.  

Sewell is single and I do believe that is going to be enough to keep her out of contention.

 

The majority of people marching and chanting "I can't breathe!" In my city last night were white.  It would be wonderful if we could rise above the race issue and pick the most qualified candidate...but I'm not going to hold my breathe.

 

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3 minutes ago, Da Guru said:

Can get rid of Whitmer too.   Her wealthy, privileged whitey woman background won`t cut the mustard now.

She's also has her share of controversy over the last week. 

The boxer and the boat stuff.

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58 minutes ago, Challenge Everything said:

As in Tammy Baldwin? No chance in hell she is the VP candidate.

Demings is too new, imo.

Tammy could swing Wisconsin.  Otherwise, outside of Madison and Milwaukee, this state has only gotten more red since the last election.  The polls are wrong.

 

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3 minutes ago, hooter311 said:

The majority of people marching and chanting "I can't breathe!" In my city last night were white.  It would be wonderful if we could rise above the race issue and pick the most qualified candidate...but I'm not going to hold my breathe.

Why would you assume that Biden will not pick the "most qualified candidate"?

 

The problem I see with statements like that is that there is no single objective criteria list for identifying the single most qualified person for the job.  There are so many variables, and someone may be great at some aspects of the VP role, and will need some help in other areas.  And, so much depends on how Biden wants to use the VP position.

 

I just think its better to think in terms of this:  There is a certain level of aptitude that we want in a VP; once you pass that threshold, it becomes too difficult to objectively weigh the candidates.

 

Yes, I know it vexes some that Biden has ruled out all men for the position.  But, there are so many qualified female leaders in this country, that, in this election, at this time in our history, a woman VP will be better than a similarly qualified male candidate.  (The same might not be true had the Presidential nominee been a woman).  But, a mixed-gender ticket provides advantages that an all-white male ticket would be missing.

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7 minutes ago, hooter311 said:

Tammy could swing Wisconsin.  Otherwise, outside of Madison and Milwaukee, this state has only gotten more red since the last election.  The polls are wrong.

:shrug:

Its more about turn-out, than how red the rural part of the state is relative to the urban areas.

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2 minutes ago, [scooter] said:

Biden never should have committed to picking a woman.

Why exactly?

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10 minutes ago, hooter311 said:

Tammy could swing Wisconsin.  Otherwise, outside of Madison and Milwaukee, this state has only gotten more red since the last election.  The polls are wrong.

Don't disregard what is happening in Waukesha, Fox Cities, Racine, and Kenosha. Younger, more educated, voters are in those areas and are younger... think 30-45 years old with families. Those areas are moving away from Republican strong holds and while the counties may still be red, they are much more purple than in the past. Northern Wisconsin is as backwards as it ever was, however, Trump has not been kind to farmers and moving 10-20% of farmers to vote Blue, would be huge.

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13 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

Why would you assume that Biden will not pick the "most qualified candidate"?

Because he began the search with a limited pool.  Maybe a women is the most qualified candidate, maybe not.    

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1 hour ago, hooter311 said:

Hooter's current short list....

2). Bottoms

Leaders emerge in times of crisis...this woman has got the goods.

What I see happening on the streets of Atlanta is not Atlanta. This is not a protest. This is not in the spirit of Martin Luther King, Jr. This is chaos," an impassioned Lance Bottoms said at a news conference.

"A protest has purpose. When Dr. King was assassinated, we didn't do this to our city," she said. "If you want change in America, go and register to vote. ... That is the change we need in this country."

"There was a black reporter who was arrested on camera this morning, who works for CNN. They are telling our stories, and you are disgracing their building," she said. "We are no longer talking about the murder of an innocent man. We're talking about how you're burning police cars on the streets of Atlanta, Georgia."

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/05/30/keisha-lance-bottoms-full-address-atlanta-protests-vpx.wgcl

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/atlanta-mayor-to-vandalizing-protesters-this-is-not-a-protest-this-is-chaos/ar-BB14MW7x?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

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20 minutes ago, Trey said:
24 minutes ago, [scooter] said:

Biden never should have committed to picking a woman.

Why exactly?

One, because you are eliminating 50% of the candidate pool.

Two, because it becomes an extended audition for the people on the perceived short list.

Three, in the case of a perceived front-runner like Klobuchar, your "candidacy" can be prematurely derailed if you say the wrong thing.

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Just now, [scooter] said:

One, because you are eliminating 50% of the candidate pool.

Two, because it becomes an extended audition for the people on the perceived short list.

Three, in the case of a perceived front-runner like Klobuchar, your "candidacy" can be prematurely derailed if you say the wrong thing.

It’s always that way for parts 2 and 3. Once the “short list” is leaked, the scrutiny follows. 
 

As for 1... We’ve been limiting our candidate pool to white men for the better part of 300 years. I think it’s okay at this juncture to value a woman’s perspective when there are hundreds and thousands that have equal or better resumes and experience than their male counterparts. 

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8 minutes ago, [scooter] said:

One, because you are eliminating 50% of the candidate pool.

Two, because it becomes an extended audition for the people on the perceived short list.

Three, in the case of a perceived front-runner like Klobuchar, your "candidacy" can be prematurely derailed if you say the wrong thing.

You are eliminating a lot more than 50% of the pool when you factor in that the VP is likely a high ranking politician. There are only 9 female governors. 26 female senators. 101 female representatives

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Just now, the moops said:
11 minutes ago, [scooter] said:

One, because you are eliminating 50% of the candidate pool.

Two, because it becomes an extended audition for the people on the perceived short list.

Three, in the case of a perceived front-runner like Klobuchar, your "candidacy" can be prematurely derailed if you say the wrong thing.

You are eliminating a lot more than 50% of the pool when you factor in that the VP is likely a high ranking politician. There are only 9 female governors. 26 female senators. 101 female representatives

That's a good point, and it also factors into #2 and #3. With such a smaller pool, you're increasing the likelihood that someone like Klobuchar would get tagged as a front-runner in May.

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1 hour ago, Sinn Fein said:

Why would you assume that Biden will not pick the "most qualified candidate"?

 

The problem I see with statements like that is that there is no single objective criteria list for identifying the single most qualified person for the job.  There are so many variables, and someone may be great at some aspects of the VP role, and will need some help in other areas.  And, so much depends on how Biden wants to use the VP position.

 

I just think its better to think in terms of this:  There is a certain level of aptitude that we want in a VP; once you pass that threshold, it becomes too difficult to objectively weigh the candidates.

 

Yes, I know it vexes some that Biden has ruled out all men for the position.  But, there are so many qualified female leaders in this country, that, in this election, at this time in our history, a woman VP will be better than a similarly qualified male candidate.  (The same might not be true had the Presidential nominee been a woman).  But, a mixed-gender ticket provides advantages that an all-white male ticket would be missing.

Every poll I've seen shows that the voters want Warren as the candidate however party politics and the power of wall street are going to make sure that never happens.  Biden will not choose someone that would be a risk at trying to upstage him and the party will not turn over her Senate seat with the majority this close.

For the record, I'm pretty fat on the conservative spectrum.  I'm attempting to approach this market with an open mind and and empty heart because I think it's softer than a ball of dough.

 

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1 hour ago, [scooter] said:

That's a good point, and it also factors into #2 and #3. With such a smaller pool, you're increasing the likelihood that someone like Klobuchar would get tagged as a front-runner in May.

To be fair, Joe owes his super Tuesday win to Amy.  Had she not dropped out at the last hour and handed him her state that was had sanders as a decent favorite.

He wouldn't be doing amy a favor with the nomination, he would be returning one.

Historically, the first candidates hyped are generally red herrings and the publicity is intended to stroke their ego and/or appease the party.  Which is why Kamala has been dead money from the start.

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2 hours ago, Snotbubbles said:

Because he began the search with a limited pool.  Maybe a women is the most qualified candidate, maybe not.    

Just imagine, one of the qualifications for Joe Biden is that he wants a female VP?  In which case, there are no qualified male candidates who are being excluded.

 

I can think of several reasons why gender could be a qualifying factor for Joe.  First, it sends a strong message to female voters that Joe values a female perspective in a leadership role.  Second, irrespective of Joe's feelings, having a diversity of opinions and perspectives is important when you are trying to govern everyone - not just the white males.  Third, for women and girls around the country, the symbolic gesture alone to break that particular glass ceiling is immense. Having role models that look like you is important for society - and lifts everyone up.

 

My guy was, and still is Buttigieg.  I would love nothing better than for him to get some experience as a VP for Joe, and then be in position to run for President again in 4 years.  But I also am the father to two teenage daughters, and I see how important it is to them to have a female leadership voice, and I recognize that is a value that makes everyone better.

When it comes to the VP role there really is no "most qualified" person.  Its a binary choice - you are either qualified, or you are not.  And, there are many ways to become qualified.  You don't have to be a senator or a governor to be "qualified".  There is no singular path to leadership.

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13 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

Just imagine, one of the qualifications for Joe Biden is that he wants a female VP?  In which case, there are no qualified male candidates who are being excluded.

 

I can think of several reasons why gender could be a qualifying factor for Joe.  First, it sends a strong message to female voters that Joe values a female perspective in a leadership role.  Second, irrespective of Joe's feelings, having a diversity of opinions and perspectives is important when you are trying to govern everyone - not just the white males.  Third, for women and girls around the country, the symbolic gesture alone to break that particular glass ceiling is immense. Having role models that look like you is important for society - and lifts everyone up.

 

My guy was, and still is Buttigieg.  I would love nothing better than for him to get some experience as a VP for Joe, and then be in position to run for President again in 4 years.  But I also am the father to two teenage daughters, and I see how important it is to them to have a female leadership voice, and I recognize that is a value that makes everyone better.

When it comes to the VP role there really is no "most qualified" person.  Its a binary choice - you are either qualified, or you are not.  And, there are many ways to become qualified.  You don't have to be a senator or a governor to be "qualified".  There is no singular path to leadership.

I think that Biden is only going to pick someone seen as having the qualifications to be President. That has generally meant being a senator or governor. 

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1 hour ago, hooter311 said:

To be fair, Joe owes his super Tuesday win to Amy.  Had she not dropped out at the last hour and handed him her state that was had sanders as a decent favorite.

He wouldn't be doing amy a favor with the nomination, he would be returning one.

Historically, the first candidates hyped are generally red herrings and the publicity is intended to stroke their ego and/or appease the party.  Which is why Kamala has been dead money from the start.

He owes Liz a lot for Super Tuesday too... even giving Bernie a fraction of her vote it would have totally changed the outlook. 

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if this all (i'm not following) knocks Klobuchar out, t'would be foolish to switch to Harris because one of the lessons would be the vulnerabilty any DA's caseload attaches to them in this gotcha age

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The more I read about Duckworth the more impressed I am. Amazing story.

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3 hours ago, Sinn Fein said:

Just imagine, one of the qualifications for Joe Biden is that he wants a female VP?  In which case, there are no qualified male candidates who are being excluded.

 

I can think of several reasons why gender could be a qualifying factor for Joe.  First, it sends a strong message to female voters that Joe values a female perspective in a leadership role.  Second, irrespective of Joe's feelings, having a diversity of opinions and perspectives is important when you are trying to govern everyone - not just the white males.  Third, for women and girls around the country, the symbolic gesture alone to break that particular glass ceiling is immense. Having role models that look like you is important for society - and lifts everyone up.

 

My guy was, and still is Buttigieg.  I would love nothing better than for him to get some experience as a VP for Joe, and then be in position to run for President again in 4 years.  But I also am the father to two teenage daughters, and I see how important it is to them to have a female leadership voice, and I recognize that is a value that makes everyone better.

When it comes to the VP role there really is no "most qualified" person.  Its a binary choice - you are either qualified, or you are not.  And, there are many ways to become qualified.  You don't have to be a senator or a governor to be "qualified".  There is no singular path to leadership.

I liked Buttigieg too.  I liked his policy stances and he was very even keeled on the debate stage.  I think he would make a good leader.  Too bad the DNC is offering up Biden.  He blows.

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