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The outrage and hatred for this guy is how much of a sanctimonious **** he was about his lie and how he went after people viciously who called him out and were threatening to expose him. He ruined people’s lives or tried to.
I guess I see a point there. but I imagine the second anyone commits to cheating, it is established that you will do whatever you can to deny accusations.
Most cheaters in that sport just pretended the tests were false, blamed it on ridiculous stuff like tainted meat and faded away.
My dislike for Armstrong stemmed not so much from doping as from how vehemently and viciously he attacked people who accurately reported on his doping.
It’s really full circle IMO. Guy mentioned yesterday that the difference between EPO riders and non-EPO riders was 10%. Difference between first and last in the Tour was 2%. Everyone was using. His “friends” that outed him were using too... AND got paid to out Lance. They’re just as big of dbags as he is.
Have you watched "Stop at Nothing"?
Don't think we can really ever know if he wasn't taking in his teens. I mean the same sort of faith that he didn't take it could be used to point out his ball cancer was perhaps caused by putting stickers on his taint.
A shame he was in the era that you had to dope or had no chance. IMO, he may have been the greatest cycling athlete ever - I'd regard it as very likely he's the best that's ever been. As a kid at 15 he comes off the bike ahead of Mark Allen - GTFO. That's beyond mind boggling.
The ‘greatest cyclist ever’ title is tough for me because he only rode the Tour. There’s no doubt he is the best the Tour de France has ever seen. The run of 7 is one of the top athletic accomplishments of our lifetime. I’m not sure this 30/30 can do it justice. I expect, by the end, viewers will know he was every bit the competitor and every bit the ###hole that Jordan was, and that was both on and off the bike.
This was my take away from the first episode. I didn't realize that this was how he got started on the bike. That is a lot of raw talent from a 15 year old.
Mark Allen was the best triathlete of his generation. I guess a modern equivalent would be a 15 year old kid beating Galen Rupp through 20 miles in a marathon or beating Phelps until the freestyle leg of the 400IM. It's hard to comprehend the natural talent there. The only equivalent even close that I can think of was watching tape of LeBron in high school and knowing he was, at 17, in the top echelon of NBA talent in school there.
I mean Froome et al are all presumably taking drugs to get that physique. I think the better question is if he would have done those drugs as well or just stuck with the time trials/classics/one-day races like Cancellara.
He could roll on a few people for bagging. No indication that will ever happen.
There's a reason why the phrase "never meet your heroes" is a thing. They are fallible just like the rest of us.
Watch the doc. The teams that got in EPO early absolutely dominated. In that era you absolutely had to dope to be competitive.
I still remember watching that MFer sprint up Alpe d'Huez. Pretty much stood the whole way. I think that segment record is still good. Jaw dropping what that guy could do on a hill.
That Icarus you mentioned is great.CletiusMaximus said:
He was like the Brooks Koepka of cyclingThe General said:
Yes, this. All this. I feel the exact same way about OJ. I won't give him a second more of my time or attention.
