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31 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

Lets use Seinfeld as an example. Seinfeld sn't as funny now because we've all heard the punchlines a million times. Yadda yadda yadda. No soup for you. I'm out. I was in the pool. The jerk store called and they're running out of you. So many quotable lines that were amazing when it first aired, and now they're just... good. 

Then there's the moviefone one - why don't you just tell me the name of the movie you want to see?  Total anachronism now. Hilarious back then. 

Small group of 4 adults who hang out daily in New York City?  Formulaic now.

The high speed sarcastic quips? Been done a million times now.  If anything, it's noticable that they stop for the audience/laugh track. 

The idea of a quirky neighbor who somehow has all the money they need? Done to death. 

Is it still good? Sure. But if you sat down to watch it today it wouldn't be the cultural phenomenon it was 20 years ago.

I get what you are saying, but what I am saying is that IMO if you say something like this about a show or movie then it probably isn't an all-time great.   The greatest pieces of art need to stand up over time.    JMO but you can't say that Seinfeld is a great show if you can't sit down and watch it and find it funny still.   I could watch stuff like Arrested Development over and over, same with Curb, so I say they are great.  Seinfeld suffers a bit from the above, so it's knocked down my rankings a bit.  

But you said great comedies shouldn't hold up, and I just can't get behind that.  Caddyshack shouldn't be great if you only laughed at it with your buddies when you were drunk in college, but it's not funny now.  :shrug:

 

 

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15 hours ago, bostonfred said:

Contact, Signs, Phenomenon, Armageddon and Gravity were all great movies.  The Matrix sequels weren't bad either. 

I like Armageddon and Gravity. I also like the first Matrix sequel and including the Philosophy 101 stuff. 

Contact was meh but I don't have an inherent problem even if the "alien" was,

 

her father. 

 

Signs just totally fails though given the premise. The aliens chose a planet where their kryptonite is the most prevalent substance? And glasses of the substance is enough to keep them away but the molecules of the substance in the air isn't enough to keep them from randomly standing on barn roofs for no reason? So dumb. And I say this as a guy that really liked The Village. 

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If you take out Boogie Nights, all of PT Anderson's films are about the same formula - unlikable characters, bad soundtracks, an hour too long and suck out any positive or happy feelings by the end. He's probably the most overrated director in the history of film.

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4 minutes ago, Mr. Mojo said:

If you take out Boogie Nights, all of PT Anderson's films are about the same formula - unlikable characters, bad soundtracks, an hour too long and suck out any positive or happy feelings by the end. He's probably the most overrated director in the history of film.

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25 minutes ago, Zow said:

I like Armageddon and Gravity. I also like the first Matrix sequel and including the Philosophy 101 stuff. 

Contact was meh but I don't have an inherent problem even if the "alien" was,

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her father. 

 

Signs just totally fails though given the premise. The aliens chose a planet where their kryptonite is the most prevalent substance? And glasses of the substance is enough to keep them away but the molecules of the substance in the air isn't enough to keep them from randomly standing on barn roofs for no reason? So dumb. And I say this as a guy that really liked The Village. 

The alien in Contact only chose the form of her father.

And the "but...water!" criticism of Signs is weak. Oxygen can be lethal to humans, depending on concentration levels so...what the heck are we doing breathing this stuff!?

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I like the talent of Jennifer Lawrence but hate every one of the Hunger Games and X-Men movies.

Even in the movies I like of her's she isn't a good fit for the character she plays.  

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17 minutes ago, Bracie Smathers said:

I like the talent of Jennifer Lawrence but hate every one of the Hunger Games and X-Men movies.

Even in the movies I like of her's she isn't a good fit for the character she plays.  

When you say "talent", you mean.....you know....

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33 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:
1 hour ago, bostonfred said:

Lets use Seinfeld as an example. Seinfeld sn't as funny now because we've all heard the punchlines a million times. Yadda yadda yadda. No soup for you. I'm out. I was in the pool. The jerk store called and they're running out of you. So many quotable lines that were amazing when it first aired, and now they're just... good. 

Then there's the moviefone one - why don't you just tell me the name of the movie you want to see?  Total anachronism now. Hilarious back then. 

Small group of 4 adults who hang out daily in New York City?  Formulaic now.

The high speed sarcastic quips? Been done a million times now.  If anything, it's noticable that they stop for the audience/laugh track. 

The idea of a quirky neighbor who somehow has all the money they need? Done to death. 

Is it still good? Sure. But if you sat down to watch it today it wouldn't be the cultural phenomenon it was 20 years ago.

I get what you are saying, but what I am saying is that IMO if you say something like this about a show or movie then it probably isn't an all-time great.   The greatest pieces of art need to stand up over time.    JMO but you can't say that Seinfeld is a great show if you can't sit down and watch it and find it funny still.   I could watch stuff like Arrested Development over and over, same with Curb, so I say they are great.  Seinfeld suffers a bit from the above, so it's knocked down my rankings a bit.  

But you said great comedies shouldn't hold up, and I just can't get behind that.  Caddyshack shouldn't be great if you only laughed at it with your buddies when you were drunk in college, but it's not funny now.  :shrug:

 

I"m not on board with a blanket statement that good comedy "shouldn't hold up" but there's no question that cultural norms change dramatically from decade to decade and what is legitimately good humor doesn't necessarily need to hold up 20-30 years later to retain it's legitimacy.  I'm thinking of the Billy Wilder movies - the Apartment and Some Like it Hot; the early Peter Sellers movies - The Party and Being There; much of the Monty Python and Mel Brooks  stuff.  Those were gut-busting comedies in the day, but I doubt my kids will ever find any humor in them.  In today's society, Blazing  Saddles could never be made and Life of Brian or Meaning of Life would be viewed solely through a political filter, essentially ruining the comedic effect. 

 

 

 

 

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The Star Wars prequels aren’t terrible.

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54 minutes ago, Mr. Mojo said:

If you take out Boogie Nights, all of PT Anderson's films are about the same formula - unlikable characters, bad soundtracks, an hour too long and suck out any positive or happy feelings by the end. He's probably the most overrated director in the history of film.

Hard 8 is a terrific film. :shrug:

 

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48 minutes ago, Gr00vus said:

The Matrix was dumb. Yes, the first one.

I got through 15 minutes of this and turned it off.  Meh.

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47 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

I get what you are saying, but what I am saying is that IMO if you say something like this about a show or movie then it probably isn't an all-time great.   The greatest pieces of art need to stand up over time.    JMO but you can't say that Seinfeld is a great show if you can't sit down and watch it and find it funny still.   I could watch stuff like Arrested Development over and over, same with Curb, so I say they are great.  Seinfeld suffers a bit from the above, so it's knocked down my rankings a bit.  

But you said great comedies shouldn't hold up, and I just can't get behind that.  Caddyshack shouldn't be great if you only laughed at it with your buddies when you were drunk in college, but it's not funny now.  :shrug:

That's not the same thing but I am fine with saying Happy Gilmore is a great comedy even though I'm worn out on adam sandler, or saying sesame street was awesome even though I hardly watch it anymore. 

I'm talking more about comedy, specifically, being the art of surprising people into laughter. And the problem with great comedies is that everyone wants to duplicate them.  And while a lot of new comedy is derivative, it's at least an attempt to improve on the original. So when you look back at an old comedy, it seems like a poor imitation of things that are almost cliche today. But that wouldn't be true unless it had been good enough to copy in the first place.  So great comedies should always feel like they've lost something when you go back to rewatch them. 

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6 minutes ago, General Malaise said:

I got through 15 minutes of this and turned it off.  Meh.

You turned it off before any of the interesting things happened. It's an incredible movie. Not because of the cool action scenes, although it was the first of its kind with the "bullet time" approach. It is actually surprisingly deep.  Which is not something I would expect from an action movie with fishburne and keanu.

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31 minutes ago, ConstruxBoy said:

When you say "talent", you mean.....you know....

I cut ties with mainstream media but kept seeing her name having no-clue who she was.  Just an annoying name as far as I was concerned.

Went to see American Hustle.  Love me some Amy Adams and Bale was great but I was frowning because the blonde was too young to be his wife/gf.  movie keeps going and I'm like who the hell is that kid she's great.  By the end of the movie I was a fan and had zero knowledge of her other than seeing/hearing her name.  

She's good but haven't seen a flick where she fit the role and have to say again how much I hate X-Men and Hunger Games.

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28 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

You turned it off before any of the interesting things happened. It's an incredible movie. Not because of the cool action scenes, although it was the first of its kind with the "bullet time" approach. It is actually surprisingly deep.  Which is not something I would expect from an action movie with fishburne and keanu.

Feels like it should have been viewed in the theater.

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3 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

Zombie movies are idiotic.

There's one that is for kids and I hate to admit it, but of all the things they watch, this one isn't half bad.  Typical Romeo & Juliet story line with some Bollywood style singing/dancing.  There's much much much worse that they demand to watch.

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2 minutes ago, General Malaise said:

Feels like it should have been viewed in the theater.

It really doesn't need to be. It's got action, but it's not an "action movie". 

Seriously just watch it. You can tell me how dumb I am after and that will make you feel good. 

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1 hour ago, Mr. Mojo said:

If you take out Boogie Nights, all of PT Anderson's films are about the same formula - unlikable characters, bad soundtracks, an hour too long and suck out any positive or happy feelings by the end. He's probably the most overrated director in the history of film.

He did a bad job on Mortal Kombat too.  Event Horizon is pretty good though. 

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1 hour ago, Bracie Smathers said:

I like the talent of Jennifer Lawrence but hate every one of the Hunger Games and X-Men movies.

Even in the movies I like of her's she isn't a good fit for the character she plays.  

Winter's Bone was the best thing she did. 

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There have essentially been no funny movies in the last 8 years. 

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1 hour ago, Zow said:

I like Armageddon and Gravity. I also like the first Matrix sequel and including the Philosophy 101 stuff. 

Contact was meh but I don't have an inherent problem even if the "alien" was,

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her father. 

 

Signs just totally fails though given the premise. The aliens chose a planet where their kryptonite is the most prevalent substance? And glasses of the substance is enough to keep them away but the molecules of the substance in the air isn't enough to keep them from randomly standing on barn roofs for no reason? So dumb. And I say this as a guy that really liked The Village. 

Wasn't the alien an alien....it just told her that that was the image that it chose to reveal itself to her?

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20 hours ago, bostonfred said:

Great comedies shouldn't hold up. If they were great they got copied and if they got copied then the thing that made them funny isn't unexpected anymore.  And that's before all the culture change that happens over time. The rare comedies that hold up over time are things like Mr. Bean which you can't really copy and weren't really THAT funny to begin with. 

Wait, wut?

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19 hours ago, huthut said:

Almost every movie made before 1980 is garbage, even the classics have terrible acting. 

 

18 hours ago, huthut said:

The first good James Bond movie was Golden Eye.

OH, COME ON!

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15 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

It really doesn't need to be. It's got action, but it's not an "action movie". 

Seriously just watch it. You can tell me how dumb I am after and that will make you feel good. 

I only watched The Matrix once, many years ago.  I thought it was dumb, not at all as "deep" as people make it out to be.  

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21 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

It really doesn't need to be. It's got action, but it's not an "action movie". 

Seriously just watch it. You can tell me how dumb I am after and that will make you feel good. 

I'd never feel good calling you dumb because you aren't dumb and I respect you and your opinions more than 99% of the people who post here.  

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5 minutes ago, Ignoratio Elenchi said:

I only watched The Matrix once, many years ago.  I thought it was dumb, not at all as "deep" as people make it out to be.  

Well which pill did you take?

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The Man from U.N.C.L.E. is a very good movie. Henry Cavill does great in it.

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1 hour ago, General Malaise said:

Jim Carey's best movie is Cable Guy.  There, I said it.  

 

I actually think the correct answer is Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, but Cable Guy was great. 

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32 minutes ago, General Malaise said:

I'd never feel good calling you dumb because you aren't dumb and I respect you and your opinions more than 99% of the people who post here.  

Oh great, now don't I feel dumb

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1 hour ago, General Malaise said:

Jim Carey's best movie is Cable Guy.  There, I said it.  

 

Waitress:  "There were no forks in medieval times hence there are no forks at medieval times"

Matthew Broderick:  "But they had Pepsi?"

 

Cable Guy is my personal favorite Jim Carrey flick as well.

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49 minutes ago, Brony said:

There have essentially been no funny movies in the last 8 years. 

Horrible Boses and Bridesmaids both great...but 2011

This Is The End probably my favorite comedy since 2012.

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1 minute ago, TripItUp said:

Waitress:  "There were no forks in medieval times hence there are no forks at medieval times"

Matthew Broderick:  "But they had Pepsi?"

 

Cable Guy is my personal favorite Jim Carrey flick as well.

:lmao:

It was pretty dark, too.  I like my comedies like I like my......errrrrrrr, nevermind. 

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11 minutes ago, Zow said:

I actually think the correct answer is Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, but Cable Guy was great. 

Yeah, I need to try and watch that one again.  I fell asleep watching it years ago and never tried it again.

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18 minutes ago, Zow said:
1 hour ago, General Malaise said:

Jim Carey's best movie is Cable Guy.  There, I said it.  

 

I actually think the correct answer is Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, but Cable Guy was great. 

I love the Truman Show.   I got my teenage son to watch it with me last year and we still talk about it.  Also, Man on the Moon was not a great movie, but Carey was fantastic in it.  

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2 hours ago, Zow said:

Like you want to punch him or what?

Like, my BP goes up. My hands sweat. I grind my teeth. I get anxious to the point where I can't sit comfortably in my chair. I just can't handle the stupidity. So yeah, I'd like to punch him.

45 minutes ago, General Malaise said:

I'd never feel good calling you dumb because you aren't dumb and I respect you and your opinions more than 99% of the people who post here.  

Speaking of stupidity, you can just call me stupid and I'm ok with that.

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2 hours ago, TripItUp said:

Waitress:  "There were no forks in medieval times hence there are no forks at medieval times"

Matthew Broderick:  "But they had Pepsi?"

 

Cable Guy is my personal favorite Jim Carrey flick as well.

Love porno password with the family.   "It's just skin, Steven!"

 

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2 hours ago, AAABatteries said:

Wait, wut?

I don't mean that mr. Bean is great, just that it holds up well because nobody copies it.  So if it started out as a 6 on a scale of 1 to 10. It's still a 6. But There's Something about Mary might have been a 10 when it came out, and now it's a 7.

TSAM had so many great lines like can of whoop ###, franks and beans, and Brett Fav ruh that have been oversaturated and the whole premise of sending a private investigator to Florida to look her up makes no sense in the internet era. 

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"The Quick and the Dead" may be campy as Hell, but it's a guilty pleasure and I watch it every time it comes on.

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1 hour ago, Rich Conway said:

The Natural was not a good movie.

Cmon man

 

Top 5 Sports Movie all time

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4 hours ago, Zow said:

I actually think the correct answer is Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, but Cable Guy was great. 

Kate Winslet delivered a better acting performance in that movie than Titanic. 

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20 hours ago, TripItUp said:

Groundhog Day is the best comedy of all time.

 

Absolutely love Groundhog Day.  Probably a Top 5 movie for me.  Holds up well to multiple viewings while also giving you lots of stuff to think about.  Miss not getting whatever channel used to run the February 2 marathon.

 

He might be okay...

...

Probably not now.

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8 hours ago, General Malaise said:

Yeah, I need to try and watch that one again.  I fell asleep watching it years ago and never tried it again.

It’s worth it. Best breakup movie ever I think. 

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Arthur 2: On The Rocks is comedy gold.

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The Saint is a good movie with a great soundtrack.

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