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Aunt Jemima. Uncle Ben’s. Now Eskimo Pies. When will Redskins change their name? (1 Viewer)

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It’s when. Not if. Probably too late this year but my bet is they announce the name change TBD in the next few months to take effect next year. If Eskimo Pie is deemed offensive forcing a name change there is no way “Redskins” lasts. Zero chance. Thoughts? I know this is an old topic but new forces at work. Eskimo Pie change cements it for me. 

 
Washington Redskins Change Their Name to D.C. Redskins

Following an outpouring of criticism from across the country, the Washington Redskins announced Wednesday that they are officially changing the team’s name to the D.C. Redskins. “We’ve heard the concerns of many people who have been hurt or offended by the team’s previous name, and I’m happy to say we’ve now rectified the situation once and for all,” said franchise owner Dan Snyder, adding that “Washington Redskins” will be replaced with “D.C. Redskins” on all team logos, uniforms, and apparel. “It was a difficult decision—and one that, frankly, I’m a little embarrassed took me so long to make. So hopefully we can now put this issue to bed and start cheering on our D.C. Redskins.” In light of Snyder’s decision, Cleveland Indians owner Larry Dolan told reporters he will change the feather in Chief Wahoo’s headdress from red to a “more appropriate” shade of red.

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:lmao:  

 
When the subject comes up, my response is usually passionate due to family history and the sheer nonsensicality of a racial slur being allowed to prevail.

But perhaps my main concern on this entire issue is best reflected by the "defense" of Snyder's position. The most common saw is that a pole of Indians shows that a majority are not bothered by the slur. Maybe it is that not the name but the nature of things is more culturally important to the average Native American than the average African American. Maybe it's because they (i'll say "they" because, while my father uses "NA" on Census, i use "Caucasian") got raped & robbed 100+ years ago, so being labeled a ##### now has less currency than with those currently/still being raped & robbed; or could it be that a people with a leadership void of more than half a century's vintage has let the loudest (media, extremists, faddists) pick their agenda. Just as I was upset to have gotten to Indian country only to find that Native American leadership had sold out their own on their only remaining legacy - mineral rights - to line the pockets of the few, i'd be quite chagrined if my people were making more noise about names, brands & statues than rights & reparations. And they don't even got casinos.

 
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really can’t wait to move out of this country.  mrs. fields is in danger.  capt crunch isn’t an admiral.  starbucks  insults mermaids.  

 
The only way Snyder changes the name is if the players boycott and say they are not playing--then MAYBE.  Other than that, it is not happening until they change ownership. 

 
here is a real question and thought.  sports is really the only place that does this hideous national anthem ritual.  what if they eliminated the anthem?  would anyone really care?  what if football played the anthem 1 hour before kickoff, what would the players do?  

 
Chemical X said:
here is a real question and thought.  sports is really the only place that does this hideous national anthem ritual.  what if they eliminated the anthem?  would anyone really care?  what if football played the anthem 1 hour before kickoff, what would the players do?  
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just play it at halftime..   :shrug:

 
Chemical X said:
here is a real question and thought.  sports is really the only place that does this hideous national anthem ritual.  what if they eliminated the anthem?  would anyone really care?  what if football played the anthem 1 hour before kickoff, what would the players do?  
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anthem in sports is idiotic. always has been, always will be.

unless it's the olympics or National Teams head to head, drop it. 

 
TheWinz said:
Yale needs to burn all their buildings to the ground.  Check out Yale's namesake, Elihu Yale
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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/activist-calls-cancel-yale-being-named-after-slave-trader

Also the rest of the IVY league schools.  

Whats next?  City names?  street names? books? music? movies?

If my great great great great grandfather had slaves I would honestly fear for my life right now.

The state of New York was named after the English Duke of York and Albany (and the brother of England's King Charles II) in 1664. 

According to the Navigation Act of 1660, only English-owned ships could enter colonial ports. That same year, King Charles II granted a charter to the Company of Royal Adventurers Trading to Africa. Led by the king’s younger brother James, the Duke of York (later King James II), this group had a monopoly on British trade with West Africa, including gold, silver and slaves.

What should we rename the state of New York to?

 
Chemical X said:
here is a real question and thought.  sports is really the only place that does this hideous national anthem ritual.  what if they eliminated the anthem?  would anyone really care?  what if football played the anthem 1 hour before kickoff, what would the players do?  
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People would pretend like they care now just because it’s been politicized. Didn’t this all start during WWII? I agree it’s time to get rid of it, just an odd thing to do before sports. Not widespread across the globe in my understanding either 

 
wikkidpissah said:
When the subject comes up, my response is usually passionate due to family history and the sheer nonsensicality of a racial slur being allowed to prevail.

But perhaps my main concern on this entire issue is best reflected by the "defense" of Snyder's position. The most common saw is that a pole of Indians shows that a majority are not bothered by the slur. Maybe it is that not the name but the nature of things is more culturally important to the average Native American than the average African American. Maybe it's because they (i'll say "they" because, while my father uses "NA" on Census, i use "Caucasian") got raped & robbed 100+ years ago, so being labeled a ##### now has less currency than with those currently/still being raped & robbed; or could it be that a people with a leadership void of more than half a century's vintage has let the loudest (media, extremists, faddists) pick their agenda. Just as I was upset to have gotten to Indian country only to find that Native American leadership had sold out their own on their only remaining legacy - mineral rights - to line the pockets of the few, i'd be quite chagrined if my people were making more noise about names, brands & statues than rights & reparations. And they don't even got casinos.
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Good posting. Based on my personal conversations with friends/acquaintances over the years they don’t care as much (and will respond as such in a poorly worded poll) because it’s just so far down the list. Hooray, you changed the name of a football team. 

when you say no casinos - you referring to a specific tribe or just the common man in general? I agree tribal politics like anything else can get bastardized to where certain things end up only benefitting the few at the top rather than  everyone. Being from OK most of my experience is with the huge tribes who have pretty large political machines behind them. To me is seems like the tribes originally from this area (Comanche, Kiowa, etc.) are not big fans of the Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, and other tribes of that nature. Like anything else, they aren’t some monolithic group that all think alike. I know you know that, just sayin

 
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I think the context matters. Aunt Jemima was pretty clearly based on a racial stereotype originally, and a negative one at that. She wore a kerchief that said Mammy on it.

Having said that, the family of the model who most recently portrayed Aunt Jemima has come out against the rebrand. It’s almost like these issues are super nuanced and complicated. 

 
Scoresman said:

Serious question about these. Is it racist just to have a person of color on product packaging? Is there some sort of dark history behind all of these?
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My personal opinion is that it's not racist unless the intent was to exploit a negative stereotype.

Aunt Jemima is based on a pretty offensive stereotype, IMO.

Cream Of Wheat started out as pretty offensive, too.

Uncle Ben's seems to be based on a regular guy.

If I were in charge of things, I'd ditch Jemima and the Cream Of Wheat guy, but keep Ben.
 
Scoresman said:
Serious question about these. Is it racist just to have a person of color on product packaging? Is there some sort of dark history behind all of these?
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If the character portrayed looks like he could answer a question to his boss "yessa massa" by a layman, then its probably going to have some problems.  Especially if it was designed to appeal to white buyers.

 
jrt103 said:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/activist-calls-cancel-yale-being-named-after-slave-trader

Also the rest of the IVY league schools.  

Whats next?  City names?  street names? books? music? movies?

If my great great great great grandfather had slaves I would honestly fear for my life right now.

The state of New York was named after the English Duke of York and Albany (and the brother of England's King Charles II) in 1664. 

According to the Navigation Act of 1660, only English-owned ships could enter colonial ports. That same year, King Charles II granted a charter to the Company of Royal Adventurers Trading to Africa. Led by the king’s younger brother James, the Duke of York (later King James II), this group had a monopoly on British trade with West Africa, including gold, silver and slaves.

What should we rename the state of New York to?
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The Romans and Egyptians had slaves too.

 
Moe. said:
People would pretend like they care now just because it’s been politicized. Didn’t this all start during WWII? I agree it’s time to get rid of it, just an odd thing to do before sports. Not widespread across the globe in my understanding either 
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you should see the old school Banania products in france (and by old school i mean into the 2000s if im not mistaken)

racist is putting it rather lightly. thought nothing of it as a kid, but as u grow up just looking at it u know it's off.

 
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Soulfly3 said:
you should see the old school Banania products in france (and by old school i mean into the 2000s if im not mistaken)

racist is putting it rather lightly. thought nothing of it as a kid, but as u grow up just looking at it u know it's off.
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In that post I was talking about the national anthem before domestic league sporting events, not racist product logos. 

 
When it comes down to it, liberals usually win the popular vote in all these elections.

Assuming that split is accurate across non-voters, then they probably outnumber conservatives nationwide.

That's why there are companies caving to demands and / or hiring people from liberal backgrounds more frequently. The voices appear to be more outspoken and statistically there's just more of them.

If you're a big company, go ahead pick your favorite company, you're obviously going to tend the the majority voice who is nagging you the most.

 
Moe. said:
Good posting. Based on my personal conversations with friends/acquaintances over the years they don’t care as much (and will respond as such in a poorly worded poll) because it’s just so far down the list. Hooray, you changed the name of a football team. 

when you say no casinos - you referring to a specific tribe or just the common man in general? I agree tribal politics like anything else can get bastardized to where certain things end up only benefitting the few at the top rather than  everyone. Being from OK most of my experience is with the huge tribes who have pretty large political machines behind them. To me is seems like the tribes originally from this area (Comanche, Kiowa, etc.) are not big fans of the Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, and other tribes of that nature. Like anything else, they aren’t some monolithic group that all think alike. I know you know that, just sayin
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i meant that black people dont even have casinos to fall back on - that's how poorly they've done as a political entity in the rudderless half-century since their Exodus leaders (X, King, Hampton, etc) were wiped out.

i worked with a lot of tribes in my time in gaming (wrote some regs for a few) and, while i dont have much to say for their casino/resort mgmt skills, i am proud to say that most of them have done well by their own with the profits. the Navajo are still prisoners of corruption & despair, but the Pueblo, Apache and Five Tribes have poured a great deal of assets into scholarship and small business assistance

 
Moe. said:
I think the context matters. Aunt Jemima was pretty clearly based on a racial stereotype originally, and a negative one at that. She wore a kerchief that said Mammy on it.

Having said that, the family of the model who most recently portrayed Aunt Jemima has come out against the rebrand. It’s almost like these issues are super nuanced and complicated. 
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Dude.  I type things on the internet.  How in the world am I supposed to know what this word means?

 
BigSteelThrill said:
If the character portrayed looks like he could answer a question to his boss "yessa massa" by a layman, then its probably going to have some problems.  Especially if it was designed to appeal to white buyers.
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The Cream of Wheat guy looks like a chef, even a head chef so he would be the boss. I say this not knowing if there’s historical context of it being a racist image though. 

 
If the brand had a racist beginning then it’s gotta go imo, even if the image has been modernized. And Cream of Wheat most certainly had a racist beginning. Some of the early ads were appalling. 

 
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