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8 hours ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

You guys should use this thread to talk about Tucker Carlson, not to snipe at each other.

 

:goodposting:That comment could go for every thread in the PSF.

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2 hours ago, Juxtatarot said:

Most polls have shown a majority of Democrats supporting Medicare for All. For example, 68% in this poll.

I understand and hesitated to put that in. But the fact is, when Democrats had to choose between two candidates for President whose main difference revolved around this question, they overwhelmingly chose the guy that preferred Obamacare. 

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4 minutes ago, timschochet said:

I understand and hesitated to put that in. But the fact is, when Democrats had to choose between two candidates for President whose main difference revolved around this question, they overwhelmingly chose the guy that preferred Obamacare. 

Umm...I think there is much more difference between Bernie and Biden than just healthcare.  

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3 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Umm...I think there is much more difference between Bernie and Biden than just healthcare.  

Sure. But it was the most important difference. And in fact nearly EVERY difference between them is a repudiation of @BladeRunner’s argument. 

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2 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Sure. But it was the most important difference. And in fact nearly EVERY difference between them is a repudiation of @BladeRunner’s argument. 

I think its hard to say that is really the most important difference.  M4All is part of Bernies overall economic philosophy as well, I don't think you can just separate it from all of Bernie.  Nor do I think voters took it that way and voted to say...well, Bernie is for M4All so I will vote Biden.  I think its strange to boil that choice down to one issue.

I would agree the argument that was set forth by that poster was devoid of pretty much anything factual.

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51 minutes ago, Da Guru said:

 

:goodposting:That comment could go for every thread in the PSF.

But I don't have that many things to say about Tucker.

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2 hours ago, timschochet said:

I understand and hesitated to put that in. But the fact is, when Democrats had to choose between two candidates for President whose main difference revolved around this question, they overwhelmingly chose the guy that preferred Obamacare. 

A massive percentage of those voters already had "Medicare for Themselves" and didn't want their taxes to go up to help everyone else

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11 hours ago, timschochet said:

Let’s discuss this opinion. 
 

1. the extreme left want to impose the Green New Deal. I do not. Like Joe Biden and the vast majority of Democrats , I want to tackle climate change, but the restrictions that GND would impose on our economy are too drastic. 

Aren't you the guy that's always fearmongering everyone here that we only have 20-30 years (even less by some estimates) to get this right if we want to save the planet?

And yet you think we have the time to be anything but drastic here? All I can conclude from this part of your post is that you're not serious about fighting climate change.

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Staying on the actual topic... I find Carlson to be one of the most interesting people in media. There are times when he goes against the grain of the establishment talking points when discussing populism, ending the wars etc where I strongly agree and really want to like him. Then a day or two later he goes off on a "borderline" (used VERY loosely) racist rant about black people coming for you or whatever and I can't believe how the guy is on TV. 

He's a very interesting fellow.

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Just now, KiddLattimer said:

Staying on the actual topic... I find Carlson to be one of the most interesting people in media. There are times when he goes against the grain of the establishment talking points when discussing populism, ending the wars etc where I strongly agree and really want to like him. Then a day or two later he goes off on a "borderline" (used VERY loosely) racist rant about black people coming for you or whatever and I can't believe how the guy is on TV. 

He's a very interesting fellow.

My only conclusion from this is most of what he does is an act to get viewers.  And it appears it's working.

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Just now, AAABatteries said:

My only conclusion from this is most of what he does is an act to get viewers.  And it appears it's working.

Yea that definitely could be... I assume most of these "personalities" schtick is just the result of focus group data. 

There does seem to be a bit of a populist right movement that simultaneously encourages me and scares the hell out of me. Matt Stoller had an interesting article about that a while back about how Rubio, Hawley and Cotton are filling that void. I don't mind the first two but Cotton specifically scares the heck out of me since ending the wars is my #1 issue over all else. Still, I do side with populism more often than not so at least there's something good there.

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1 hour ago, KiddLattimer said:

Yea that definitely could be... I assume most of these "personalities" schtick is just the result of focus group data. 

There does seem to be a bit of a populist right movement that simultaneously encourages me and scares the hell out of me. Matt Stoller had an interesting article about that a while back about how Rubio, Hawley and Cotton are filling that void. I don't mind the first two but Cotton specifically scares the heck out of me since ending the wars is my #1 issue over all else. Still, I do side with populism more often than not so at least there's something good there.

It's definitely schtick in a lot of cases. 

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24 minutes ago, joffer said:

she’d be a great VP candidate

Pence would go running to mommy.

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11 hours ago, Encyclopedia Brown said:

On his show tonight, Carlson accused Senator Tammy Duckworth of hating America.

This was her response: https://twitter.com/SenDuckworth/status/1280313123887603712

I think it's interesting seeing the attacks on Duckworth lately, just the fact of it and from what quarters. I also thought it interesting that TC didn't bother telling his viewers more than Duckworth had "once served in the military." No mention of anything else. My guess is some Trump supporters will be pretty surprised by the contrast of this hero with what they have been told about the opposition should she be the choice.

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11 hours ago, JIslander said:

Pence would go running to mommy.

If they debated would mommy have to stand next to Pence on stage? 

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I'm confused.  Isn't the message that they want schools to open?  Is he suggesting schools should open without masks and without social distancing?  That's taking it to a whole different level.

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Carlson is actually making a defensible point here.

It's not too far off from the official positions being promoted by the World Health Organization.

On the other hand, his viewers must be confused with his flip-flopping between "TRUST THE WHO!" and "DEFUND THE WHO!"

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1 hour ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

 

Tucker Carlson yesterday: "Many schools that do plan to reopen will do so under a series of restrictions that have no basis of any kind in science. It's kind of a bizarre health theater. Students will be kept six feet apart, everyone will have to wear a mask, class sizes will be limited."

Tucker Carlson on his March 30 show: "Of course, masks work. Everyone knows that. Dozens of research papers have proved it. In South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, the rest of Asia -- where coronavirus has been kept under control -- masks were key."

https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/1280662317139742722?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1280662317139742722|twgr^&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Ftucker-carlson-contradicts-himself-over-mask-stance-1516210

I'm thinking if anyone is an expert on bizarre theater, it's Tucker Carlson. Unfortunately, those who recognize it as such aren't his target audience. 

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30 minutes ago, Joe Summer said:

Carlson is actually making a defensible point here.

It's not too far off from the official positions being promoted by the World Health Organization.

On the other hand, his viewers must be confused with his flip-flopping between "TRUST THE WHO!" and "DEFUND THE WHO!"

Yes, after following the link, I found the longer link on twitter where he talks about how Denmark and some other countries have reopened schools without masks and distancing.  I think his argument hinges on the ideas that children are at a vastly lower risk than adults and also that if infected their lower viral shed makes them a minor (no pun intended) disease vector.  The first idea seems pretty incontrovertible.  I imagine the second one is a lot more contentious.

As far the WHO stuff, I agree that there's been a lot of alternately bashing and citing the same organization throughout this whole ordeal by various parties.

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On 7/6/2020 at 9:47 AM, AAABatteries said:

I do have one thing though - his confused look always cracks me up or makes me want to punch him.  One or the other.

Hard to argue with that fact.

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2 hours ago, phandango said:

 

Tucker Carlson yesterday: "Many schools that do plan to reopen will do so under a series of restrictions that have no basis of any kind in science. It's kind of a bizarre health theater. Students will be kept six feet apart, everyone will have to wear a mask, class sizes will be limited."

Tucker Carlson on his March 30 show: "Of course, masks work. Everyone knows that. Dozens of research papers have proved it. In South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, the rest of Asia -- where coronavirus has been kept under control -- masks were key."

https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/1280662317139742722?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1280662317139742722|twgr^&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Ftucker-carlson-contradicts-himself-over-mask-stance-1516210

I'm thinking if anyone is an expert on bizarre theater, it's Tucker Carlson. Unfortunately, those who recognize it as such aren't his target audience. 

This is a misrepresentation of the facts. Masks seem to help with adults. Kids don’t seem to do very well without masks and kids in other countries who are attending school don’t have a higher infection rate even though they are not wearing masks. 

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12 minutes ago, boots11234 said:

This is a misrepresentation of the facts. Masks seem to help with adults. Kids don’t seem to do very well without masks and kids in other countries who are attending school don’t have a higher infection rate even though they are not wearing masks. 

Honest question as I don't know and you seem to have the info. What countries are/were battling surging numbers and sent kids to school without masks? 

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6 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Honest question as I don't know and you seem to have the info. What countries are/were battling surging numbers and sent kids to school without masks? 

Sweden, Netherlands and one Asian country I believe (he listed them in the segment). Pediatricians also believe kids should go back to school. They are worried about mental health. If suicide goes up 1% that death rate would be higher than current children’s COVID deaths for children. (In segment). Kids apparently have very mild reaction to COVID and rarely transmit to adults because their virus load is so small. 

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4 minutes ago, boots11234 said:

Sweden, Netherlands and one Asian country I believe (he listed them in the segment). Pediatricians also believe kids should go back to school. They are worried about mental health. If suicide goes up 1% that death rate would be higher than current children’s COVID deaths for children. (In segment). Kids apparently have very mild reaction to COVID and rarely transmit to adults because their virus load is so small. 

Oh ok, it’s from a Tucker segment, I’ll check that out then. Thanks

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6 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Oh ok, it’s from a Tucker segment, I’ll check that out then. Thanks

Yup

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8 minutes ago, boots11234 said:

Sweden, Netherlands and one Asian country I believe (he listed them in the segment). Pediatricians also believe kids should go back to school. They are worried about mental health. If suicide goes up 1% that death rate would be higher than current children’s COVID deaths for children. (In segment). Kids apparently have very mild reaction to COVID and rarely transmit to adults because their virus load is so small. 

Not sure about the mild reaction part, they can have some nasty reactions, just not the same ones.  

Something recently that I was listening to said that unlike the flu, they don't seem to be a vector for passing it onto to adults because they have slightly different symptoms like pain in the feet and hands.  So it's not the coughing, etc.  that you see with the flu and they aren't good at covering up.     That doesn't mean they don't get it, and that the teachers and workers can't pass it to them.   Also doesn't mean there teachers/bus drivers/custodians/etc. won't get it by being in close quarters.   

I am trying to find where I heard/read that.  

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25 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Honest question as I don't know and you seem to have the info. What countries are/were battling surging numbers and sent kids to school without masks? 

I think a follow up question would be what were their safety protocols when they did open up vs. what we might be doing?

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On 7/6/2020 at 12:03 PM, ShamrockPride said:

Aren't you the guy that's always fearmongering everyone here that we only have 20-30 years (even less by some estimates) to get this right if we want to save the planet?

And yet you think we have the time to be anything but drastic here? All I can conclude from this part of your post is that you're not serious about fighting climate change.

The green new deal was 95 percent socialistic fantasy and 5 percent let's fix the climate.  Opposing the green new deal simply means you actually read it and are not a communist. 

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Just now, KarmaPolice said:

I think a follow up question would be what were their safety protocols when they did open up vs. what we might be doing?

There’s many, I just don’t have the info. I know in Japan, they handled COVID awhile ago. Everyone their wore masks and they pretty much stopped COVID spread super quickly. We have had resistance to masks and the numbers are way way beyond anything Japan saw so I just wonder if it’s an apples to apples comparison.

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1 minute ago, Ilov80s said:

There’s many, I just don’t have the info. I know in Japan, they handled COVID awhile ago. Everyone their wore masks and they pretty much stopped COVID spread super quickly. We have had resistance to masks and the numbers are way way beyond anything Japan saw so I just wonder if it’s an apples to apples comparison.

I am doubting that many other countries are going the "your school will be open full time or they don't get funding" approach.  

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4 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

I think a follow up question would be what were their safety protocols when they did open up vs. what we might be doing?

Actually no, the segment was about masks and the uproar here was about masks. Those countries listed did not require masks for kids. 

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1 minute ago, KarmaPolice said:

I am doubting that many other countries are going the "your school will be open full time or they don't get funding" approach.  

Look the teachers have a job to do, teach, evidence so far is leaning towards it safe to open schools. Dr’s are for it. If teachers and teachers unions don’t want to do their job then no they should not get funding. Pretty simple it seems to me. 

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6 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

There’s many, I just don’t have the info. I know in Japan, they handled COVID awhile ago. Everyone their wore masks and they pretty much stopped COVID spread super quickly. We have had resistance to masks and the numbers are way way beyond anything Japan saw so I just wonder if it’s an apples to apples comparison.

Numbers are also up because we are testing more. Of course numbers are up. However deaths are down.  This is rarely emphasized though. Gotta keep the hysteria up. 

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28 minutes ago, boots11234 said:

Actually no, the segment was about masks and the uproar here was about masks. Those countries listed did not require masks for kids. 

He also mentioned being 6 feet apart - did those countries also not practice social distancing?

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26 minutes ago, boots11234 said:

Numbers are also up because we are testing more. Of course numbers are up. However deaths are down.  This is rarely emphasized though. Gotta keep the hysteria up. 

Hospitalizations and death lag behind the positive cases.  But I hope people like you are right that the death % stays down.   

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4 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

He also mentioned being 6 feet apart - did those countries also not practice social distancing?

no clue

 

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30 minutes ago, boots11234 said:

Look the teachers have a job to do, teach, evidence so far is leaning towards it safe to open schools. Dr’s are for it. If teachers and teachers unions don’t want to do their job then no they should not get funding. Pretty simple it seems to me. 

They can teach in a safe manor, and they can teach online.   I don't think many of them don't want to do their job.   It's the "do it full time" or the funding is cut part that they probably have issue with.  

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1 minute ago, KarmaPolice said:

Hospitalizations and death lag behind the positive cases.  But I hope people like you are right that the death % stays down.   

Death % has been going down and not due to lag.  Maybe its due to democrat mayors not putting sick old people back in with healthy ones at nursing homes?

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Just now, KarmaPolice said:

They can teach in a safe manor, and they can teach online.   I don't think many of them don't want to do their job.   It's the "do it full time" or the funding is cut part that they probably have issue with.  

Do you have kids?  Online or distance learning is a joke.  Its the best they could do and I commend them on the effort but it really sucked and stats show this.  Heck just ask anyone with kids what they thought of it.

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Just now, boots11234 said:

Do you have kids?  Online or distance learning is a joke.  Its the best they could do and I commend them on the effort but it really sucked and stats show this.  Heck just ask anyone with kids what they thought of it.

Yep, I have 2.  

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13 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

Yep, I have 2.  

Same here.  two.  It sucked.  This was also covered in Tuckers show.

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29 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

Hospitalizations and death lag behind the positive cases.  But I hope people like you are right that the death % stays down.   

My prediction is deaths will go up and death rate will go down and folks will still be arguing.  Rinse repeat while hotspots implement temporary measures.

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