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The Great 2020 All Time Movie Draft- The judging is heavily biased against me. It’s a hoax! Fake news. (2 Viewers)

The other kids movie I had kicking around was Pee Wee's Big Adventure.   Also KIcking and Screaming for a last round pick if it came to that.  Probably the one my son and I watched the most, so it would have been a sentimental pick.  

 
It is interesting to see what the big swings were and why - was it the movie or was it the judge that made it that way?  

Ie - The Muppet Movie.  Just one that wasn't on people's radar?  Did you end up clicking with it more that most judges might have?  
To me (as the judge) what I felt was great about that pick was:

- It fit the category perfectly

- It had classic characters that have stood the test of time/influential in the medium

- While the Muppet jokes can be corny the movie didn’t feel super dated to me 

- I didn’t want to blow my brains out while watching it

 
So I am exactly even after 20 scores.  In order of best to worst, but I didn't go through what round I drafted all these in.  It looks like I have about 12 of my first 20 picks left to be graded.  

+8 - The Muppet Movie

+7 - The Raid:  Redemption

+6 - Heathers

+4 - Wolverine

+3 =  Paths of Glory and Anton Chigurh

+1 = M, PTA, Meg Ryan

Even =  The Searchers, Brigette Bardot, and Kubrick

-1 =  James Dean, Sissy Spacek, and Tomei

-4 = Full Metal Jacket

- 5 = Fight the Power, The Iron Giant

-8 = Zodiac

-9 = Manchurian Candidate.  

So I guess I have to thank @Bracie Smathers for giving me -13 expected points.  ;)  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhBwq54Ttmo

 
I think this is painfully accurate as to why people are fairly unhappy with the scoring.  Looking back at how this played out a more structured judging criteria would have helped everyone out with regatds to expectations going into this draft.  Unlike the sports draft (where there really isn't much interpretation if a player was a hockey goalie) there is a vast canyon between the judges category to category and the participants expectations.  Having a bit more structure up front would have made it easier on both sides. 

The inconsistency of one category really tanking if it didn't meet the judges genre expectations and another category that didn't really care as long as it was a good movie is the hard to digest part.
Pretty much.  I get that it's more subjective than a sports draft, but we did decide on categories, so I hope that judges try their best to consider the category and how representative the selection is of the category.  

 
The other kids movie I had kicking around was Pee Wee's Big Adventure.   Also KIcking and Screaming for a last round pick if it came to that.  Probably the one my son and I watched the most, so it would have been a sentimental pick.  
Pretty sure you chose wisely.

 
Would like to get 2010s done this week.   Harder than I thought.   I think jwb said he would get his 1/2 of the rankings to me soon too.  

 
It'll still be a few days - would like to watch 2-3. But "this week" is do-able.
Kool and the Gang.   I have a procedure tomorrow and will be knocked out.  Day off on Tuesday, and might be able to watch another then.   Maybe if we just try for a weekend reveal? 

 
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Pretty sure you chose wisely.
I am sure.  I don't think I would have taken Pee Wee.  If I missed on Muppets I would have just waited until the end for Kicking and Screaming and taken my minimal points.  

 
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Those all sound about right except for Clueless. I have no idea why it was so high.

I also really need to figure out who Thelma Ritter is.  
One of the few that the critics loved I guess? ;)  

 
I'm not too surprised Clueless placed well. Girls love that movie but guys didn't care for it. Our judge sided with the girls. Fine by me.

 
Various un-drafted movies I considered taking late -or- thought of too late....

70's

  • Mean Streets
80's

  • Wall Street
  • Terms of Endearment
90's

  • American Beauty
2010's

  • The Revenant
  • Bridge of Spies
Comedy

  • Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
  • A Fish Called Wanda
Rom Com

  • Notting Hill
  • Broadcast News
Historical

  • Elizabeth
  • The Last Samurai
  • French Lieutenant's Woman
  • Selma
  • Remains of the Day
  • Amistad
  • Seven Years in Tibet
WWII

  • Enemy at the Gates
  • The Big Red One
  • Kelly's Heroes
  • Valkyrie
Children

  • Gremlins
Rock

  • It Might Get Loud
Teen

  • Vision Quest
Supporting Actor

  • Willem Dafoe
  • Anthony Quinn
Action

  • The 13th Warrior
  • Highlander
Book

  • The Hunt for Red October
  • Les Misérables (1998)
  • The Remains of the Day
  • The Last Temptation of Christ
  • 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea
Song

  • Footloose
  • Arthur's Theme (Best That You Can Do)
  • Streets of Philadelphia
Score

  • Blade Runner
  • Rocky
  • Last of the Mohicans
Fantasy

  • 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea
  • Highlander
  • 13th Warrior
Too many to count on courtroom, modern star-guy, modern director, documentary, etc..

 
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ridiculous ranking for Hamburger Hill.  Way better than Platoon.

300? good grief
Hamburger Hill came out one year after Platoon.  Gross take $13,839,404

  • Zero nominations for everything/anything.
Platoon  Gross take $138,545,632 ten times as much as Hamburger Hill

Academy Award Nominations 8

  • 4 Wins
BAFTA 3 Nominations

  • 2 Wins
Directors Guild of America Award 3 Nominations

  • 2 Wins
Golden Globe 4 Nominations

  • 3 Wins
Silver Bear 1 Nomination

  • 1 Win
Independent Spirit Award 5 Nominations

  • 4 Wins
Writers Guild of America Award 

  • 1 Nomination
Up for 25 awards for Platoon, zero for HH.  Took in ten times the amount of HH so it was not just a critical success it was a commercial/popular success.  Better director, better actors, and every number says it is better and I didn't look up awards when I made my judgement and I think I've shared enough in my write ups to explain my rankings.

 
OH and I were having dinner tonight, and the subject of Robert Duvall came up, which set him off on a 15+-minute rant about why he is the best actor who ever lived.  I didn't know before this that we shared a love for Duvall, and in fact that his is more intense than mine, but after at least 10 minutes on The Apostle alone, I wanted to tell @Ilov80s again that he needs to watch, as does anyone else who hasn't seen it.  In the rant were references to George Bernard Shaw, to Shakespeare, and to others I've forgotten but really should have taken down to post and make an argument here, though I don't even remember if that category was already judged anyway.

 
OH and I were having dinner tonight, and the subject of Robert Duvall came up, which set him off on a 15+-minute rant about why he is the best actor who ever lived.  I didn't know before this that we shared a love for Duvall, and in fact that his is more intense than mine, but after at least 10 minutes on The Apostle alone, I wanted to tell @Ilov80s again that he needs to watch, as does anyone else who hasn't seen it.  In the rant were references to George Bernard Shaw, to Shakespeare, and to others I've forgotten but really should have taken down to post and make an argument here, though I don't even remember if that category was already judged anyway.
Maybe lead actor judge needs to watch it too, or needs a PM from OH? ;)

 
I'm getting caught up on movies for category of Historical Drama.  I've seen the movies but it has been years for over half of them so its great watching them again.  Its going to take time to get ahold of a couple of them and to watch them all.

In the meantime.  Never did a final point list that others have done.

Genre - Political

All the President's Men 16 pts
JFK 15 pts
The Great Dictator 14 pts
Frost/Nixon  13 pts
The Lives of Others 12 pts
Milk  11 pts
Z (1969) 10 pts
Seven Days In May  9 pts
All The King's Men  8 pts
Mr. Smith Goes to Washington  7 pts
The American President  6 pts
The Manchurian Candidate 5 pts
Lincoln 4 pts
Joker  3 pts
Wag the Dog 2 pts
Being There  1 pt

 
I'm getting caught up on movies for category of Historical Drama.  I've seen the movies but it has been years for over half of them so its great watching them again.  Its going to take time to get ahold of a couple of them and to watch them all.

In the meantime.  Never did a final point list that others have done.

Genre - Political

All the President's Men 16 pts
JFK 15 pts
The Great Dictator 14 pts
Frost/Nixon  13 pts
The Lives of Others 12 pts
Milk  11 pts
Z (1969) 10 pts
Seven Days In May  9 pts
All The King's Men  8 pts
Mr. Smith Goes to Washington  7 pts
The American President  6 pts
The Manchurian Candidate 5 pts
Lincoln 4 pts
Joker  3 pts
Wag the Dog 2 pts
Being There  1 pt
we already got 16 pts for this one so we will take another 16 and replace 48hrs.  Thanks.

 
90s rankings: 

Preamble: I cannot promise that I am the greatest at knowing the greatest of movies (in contrast to my truly greatest ever sports knowledge), but I did choose categories I do believe I can do a decent job. Movies are difficult because, aside from maybe awards, they are so very subjective and not as easily comparable. I find the decades categories to be extremely difficult because there are varying genres. And, as to be expected, a significant number of 90s movies that would have easily scored high on or at least likely made these rankings were picked elsewhere (e.g. Hoop Dreams, Goodfellas, Toy Story, Schindler’s List, Unforgiven, Saving Private Ryan, Titanic, Dances with Wolves, Fargo,  Se7en, Reservoir Dogs, Groundhog Day, Jurassic Park, Forrest Gump, American History X, and Fight Club). Holy crap. I just realized in typing that out that movies put into other categories could have punted all but the movies in my top tier and maybe a couple in tier 2 from this list. Great decade for movies when one considers the sheer amount of comedies and other dramas/indie films that shaped people of my generation that still wouldn't sniff this list. 

Criteria:

Significant weight – RT scores, metacritic score, academy awards and nominations, etc. I don’t know of a more objective metric.

Significant weight – Critical reviews. I tried to find some reputable critics and review their rankings and input. Looked particularly at Rolling Stone and a few others. 

Medium weight – Online rankings. Looked at several and roughly averaged them out.

Medium weight – staying power. Put differently, if I showed the movie to a teenager right now what would he or she think?

Little weight – notoriety (i.e. has somebody like my father-in-law – a fairly big movie fan but more casual in his choices - likely seen it?).

Little weight – my own opinion. By that I mean my life experience and watchability for somebody growing up in the 90s. For example, I actually can’t stress the impact that movies like Billy Madison, Tommy Boy, Ace Ventura, Dumb and Dumber, Office Space, American Pie, Chasing Amy, Boondock Saints, Clerks, and Friday had on me as a kid and young adult but I recognize that I shouldn’t force feed a mid-30s perspective on this. 

Little weight – the drafters’ comments (of which I’ve only seen two).

Glaring omissions: Chungking Express, American Beauty, and Close-up.

Somewhat surprising omissions (probably wouldn’t have ranked last of the 16 picked): Being John Malkovich, Hunt for Red October, Kids, Before Sunrise, Quiz Show, Princess Mononoke, Sling Blade, and Eyes Wide Shut.  

Tier 1 – Genre makers or changers (note: Goodfellas, Schindler’s List, Shawshank Redemption, and Hoop Dreams would have made this tier and possibly been tops for the category):

1.       (16 points) Pulp Fiction – Tarantino at his best. Consistently rated the top of most online rankings for the 90s (others were Goodfellas, Schindler’s List, Toy Story, and Close-up) Tarantino basically took the art of storytelling and just messed with it by re-arranging the chronology of the movie and including some far over the top violence and gore. No ride quite like this movie and certainly nothing seen previously. Oddly, not my favorite Tarantino film (I liked Reservoir Dogs and Inglorious Basterds better) but it’s definitely his best movie and tops the decade.

2.       (15 points) Silence of the Lambs – Only Oscar Winner for best picture drafted in the category, the movie basically revolutionized the suspense + horror genre and created a top 3 villain of all-time.

Tier 2 – Really, really ####### cool movies:

3.       (14 points) The Usual Suspects – Great story-telling and acting culminating in a memorable twist that makes the viewer question what he or she just saw. Just ####### cool.

4.       (13 points) The Matrix – Turned sci-fi on its head with new, ultra-cool graphics and included, in true 90s fashion, a surprising and satisfying twist.

5.       (12 points) Boogie Nights – Superb acting and storytelling. Also brought legitimacy to Mark Wahlberg and, to some extent, the porn industry. Plus, the coolness of Burt Reynolds and, you know, Roller Girl.

6.       (11 points) The Big Lebowski – Maybe a tad high of a ranking here, and maybe I’m a bit biased because I’ve been quoting it with friends for years and have seen it dozens of times, but dammit this movie is just so good. I apologize for and admit to an extent that this ranking doesn’t totally fit by criteria laid out above

Tier 3 –Just good drama and suspense:

7.       (10 points) LA Confidential – Originally outside the top ten for me, as I researched and applied the criteria above it rose up the rankings. 90 score on Metacritic, won some Oscars, and was a good movie that stands up all right today.

8.       (9 points) Glengarry Glen Ross – Really impressive cast. Respectable Metacritic score and up for several notable awards. Not sure if it totally holds up today, and I juggled this one around the rankings a bit, but it seemed to compare most with the other movies in this tier.

9.       (8 points) Good Will Hunting – A personal favorite of mine, it scored out well with critics and I actually recall my parents talking about how good it was. Williams is fantastic. Damon and Afleck make essentially their debuts. And I still think it holds up well. I’m very glad they didn’t go the “codebreaking” direction originally intended and stuck with the genius kid who can’t handle life motif.

10.   (7 points) The Green Mile – Struggled with this movie a bit too but it scores out well based on the criteria and it was a very good movie. Frankly, one of the best book to screen adaptations of a King novel. Great cast. And Mr. Bojangles.

Tier 4 – Movies that are foreign to me:

11.   (6 points) Raise the Red Lantern – Really glad I got to see this movie as I didn’t even know it existed before I opted to judge this category. Loved the use of colors and that they never showed the Master’s face. The descent into madness is believable and well-acted. Thanks to whoever drafted this.

12.   (5 points) Life is Beautiful – Just not my thing – I don’t find the comedy to be funny and the substance matter (which takes a bit to get into) was a tough watch. Nonetheless, I recognize the critical reception and awards this movie one and I can’t justify putting this lower.

13.   (4 points) The Nightmare Before Christmas – visually-stunning and the animation was great for its time. Admittedly, I don’t really like the movie, but respect the filmmaking.

Tier 5 – The re-watchables (frankly, I love the movies in this tier but they didn’t score out that well)

14.    (3 points) Trainspotting – a fun, well-shot ride. One of the few movies I’ve seen where it just seemed “different.”

15.   (2 points) Boyz n the Hood – pretty groundbreaking for its time; I think it still holds up well today. Obviously incredibly well-casted, it was nominated for two Oscars and won a several other awards. Good, gritty movie with a compelling story and characters. Iconic. Maybe could have been ranked higher.

16.   (1 point) Rounders – Amazingly, I’m ranking my favorite and most-watched movie of the decade last in the category. My roommate and I in college must have watched this movie every night for several months nearly straight. I thought I was Mike McD and this movie is probably a huge reason why I spent a large chunk of time at a poker table. But, using my criteria, it just doesn’t add up to the other movies on this list despite it being my favorite. I sort of broke my rules ranking the Big Lebowski so high but I can't justify it here. 

 
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90s rankings: 

Preamble: I cannot promise that I am the greatest at knowing the greatest of movies (in contrast to my truly greatest ever sports knowledge), but I did choose categories I do believe I can do a decent job. Movies are difficult because, aside from maybe awards, they are so very subjective and not as easily comparable. I find the decades categories to be extremely difficult because there are varying genres. And, as to be expected, a significant number of 90s movies that would have easily scored high on or at least likely made these rankings were picked elsewhere (e.g. Hoop Dreams, Goodfellas, Toy Story, Schindler’s List, Unforgiven, Saving Private Ryan, Titanic, Dances with Wolves, Fargo,  Se7en, Reservoir Dogs, Groundhog Day, Jurassic Park, Forrest Gump, American History X, and Fight Club). Holy crap. I just realized in typing that out that movies put into other categories could have punted all but the movies in my top tier and maybe a couple in tier 2 from this list. Great decade for movies when one considers the sheer amount of comedies and other dramas/indie films that shaped people of my generation that still wouldn't sniff this list. 

Criteria:

Significant weight – RT scores, metacritic score, academy awards and nominations, etc. I don’t know of a more objective metric.

Significant weight – Critical reviews. I tried to find some reputable critics and review their rankings and input. Looked particularly at Rolling Stone and a few others. 

Medium weight – Online rankings. Looked at several and roughly averaged them out.

Medium weight – staying power. Put differently, if I showed the movie to a teenager right now what would he or she think?

Little weight – notoriety (i.e. has somebody like my father-in-law – a fairly big movie fan but more casual in his choices - likely seen it?).

Little weight – my own opinion. By that I mean my life experience and watchability for somebody growing up in the 90s. For example, I actually can’t stress the impact that movies like Billy Madison, Tommy Boy, Ace Ventura, Dumb and Dumber, Office Space, American Pie, Chasing Amy, Boondock Saints, Clerks, and Friday had on me as a kid and young adult but I recognize that I shouldn’t force feed a mid-30s perspective on this. 

Little weight – the drafters’ comments (of which I’ve only seen two).

Glaring omissions: Chungking Express, American Beauty, and Close-up.

Somewhat surprising omissions (probably wouldn’t have ranked last of the 16 picked): Being John Malkovich, Hunt for Red October, Kids, Before Sunrise, Quiz Show, Princess Mononoke, Sling Blade, and Eyes Wide Shut.  

Tier 1 – Genre makers or changers (note: Goodfellas, Schindler’s List, and Hoop Dreams would have made this tier and possibly been tops for the category):

1.       (16 points) Pulp Fiction – Tarantino at his best. Consistently rated the top of most online rankings for the 90s (others were Goodfellas, Schindler’s List, Toy Story, and Close-up) Tarantino basically took the art of storytelling and just messed with it by re-arranging the chronology of the movie and including some far over the top violence and gore. No ride quite like this movie and certainly nothing seen previously. Oddly, not my favorite Tarantino film (I liked Reservoir Dogs and Inglorious Basterds better) but it’s definitely his best movie and tops the decade.

2.       (15 points) Silence of the Lambs – Only Oscar Winner for best picture drafted in the category, the movie basically revolutionized the suspense + horror genre and created a top 3 villain of all-time.

Tier 2 – Really, really ####### cool movies:

3.       (14 points) The Usual Suspects – Great story-telling and acting culminating in a memorable twist that makes the viewer question what he or she just saw. Just ####### cool.

4.       (13 points) The Matrix – Turned sci-fi on its head with new, ultra-cool graphics and included, in true 90s fashion, a surprising and satisfying twist.

5.       (12 points) Boogie Nights – Superb acting and storytelling. Also brought legitimacy to Mark Wahlberg and, to some extent, the porn industry. Plus, the coolness of Burt Reynolds and, you know, Roller Girl.

6.       (11 points) The Big Lebowski – Maybe a tad high of a ranking here, and maybe I’m a bit biased because I’ve been quoting it with friends for years and have seen it dozens of times, but dammit this movie is just so good. I apologize for and admit to an extent that this ranking doesn’t totally fit by criteria laid out above

Tier 3 –Just good drama and suspense:

7.       (10 points) LA Confidential – Originally outside the top ten for me, as I researched and applied the criteria above it rose up the rankings. 90 score on Metacritic, won some Oscars, and was a good movie that stands up all right today.

8.       (9 points) Glengarry Glen Ross – Really impressive cast. Respectable Metacritic score and up for several notable awards. Not sure if it totally holds up today, and I juggled this one around the rankings a bit, but it seemed to compare most with the other movies in this tier.

9.       (8 points) Good Will Hunting – A personal favorite of mine, it scored out well with critics and I actually recall my parents talking about how good it was. Williams is fantastic. Damon and Afleck make essentially their debuts. And I still think it holds up well. I’m very glad they didn’t go the “codebreaking” direction originally intended and stuck with the genius kid who can’t handle life motif.

10.   (7 points) The Green Mile – Struggled with this movie a bit too but it scores out well based on the criteria and it was a very good movie. Frankly, one of the best book to screen adaptations of a King novel. Great cast. And Mr. Bojangles.

Tier 4 – Movies that are foreign to me:

11.   (6 points) Raise the Red Lantern – Really glad I got to see this movie as I didn’t even know it existed before I opted to judge this category. Loved the use of colors and that they never showed the Master’s face. The descent into madness is believable and well-acted. Thanks to whoever drafted this.

12.   (5 points) Life is Beautiful – Just not my thing – I don’t find the comedy to be funny and the substance matter (which takes a bit to get into) was a tough watch. Nonetheless, I recognize the critical reception and awards this movie one and I can’t justify putting this lower.

13.   (4 points) The Nightmare Before Christmas – visually-stunning and the animation was great for its time. Admittedly, I don’t really like the movie, but

Tier 5 – The re-watchables (frankly, I love the movies in this tier but they didn’t score out that well)

14.    (3 points) Trainspotting – a fun, well-shot ride. One of the few movies I’ve seen where it just seemed “different.”

15.   (2 points) Boyz n the Hood – pretty groundbreaking for its time; I think it still holds up well today. Obviously incredibly well-casted, it was nominated for two Oscars and won a several other awards. Good, gritty movie with a compelling story and characters. Iconic. Maybe could have been ranked higher.

16.   (1 point) Rounders – Amazingly, I’m ranking my favorite and most-watched movie of the decade last in the category. My roommate and I in college must have watched this movie every night for several months nearly straight. I thought I was Mike McD and this movie is probably a huge reason why I spent a large chunk of time at a poker table. But, using my criteria, it just doesn’t add up to the other movies on this list despite it being my favorite. I sort of broke my rules ranking the Big Lebowski so high but I can't justify it here. 
Ugh.  Team Gallstein and the judges just aren't on the same page.  Once I saw that critics were going to be involved I knew we were in trouble.  Rounders is not a critics or academy type movie.  Its just great entertainment.  Rounders deserved better here.

 
Ugh.  Team Gallstein and the judges just aren't on the same page.  Once I saw that critics were going to be involved I knew we were in trouble.  Rounders is not a critics or academy type movie.  Its just great entertainment.  Rounders deserved better here.
Other than the judge saying it was his personal favorite movie of the decade?

 

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