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Hasn't this already been pointed out? We have page after page after page after page on this site whining about how the "media" conflated, exaggerates, misrepresents etc somehow they have suddenly become the bastions of truth on this subject? Does that make sense to you? I can't say it does to me
I will also point out the questions I’ve posed on this subject over the past few days have gone unanswered.Hasn't this already been pointed out? We have page after page after page after page on this site whining about how the "media" conflated, exaggerates, misrepresents etc somehow they have suddenly become the bastions of truth on this subject? Does that make sense to you? I can't say it does to me
This is really prescient and I don't know if anyone has the answers.
First you reported there was no looting or vandalism and everything was peaceful and we just didn't know cause we weren't there. NOW you are saying oh yeah well there actually WAS violence and looting, but it's all in the past now.
Exactly why protesters should not take the bait. Don't provide the stage for the drama to play out. Protest until sunset and go home. Let the "force" stand out there by themselves. Make a point by not engaging.
Hey Shader. Honestly I’m not following the situation super closely because quite frankly it’s hard to know what’s really happening. But I think you and I are pretty much in alignment. I think there’s clearly some unrest and ####ty/criminal activity happening in some isolated areas but I also don’t think it’s the anarchy that some are making it out to be. I tend to want to lean towards the people who live there and what they are witnessing (and I would be doing this if they were right leaning people saying it’s a really bad situation too for the record) but nowadays with peoples heavy agendas all around it’s harder to be as certain about that as I once was.
I never said that. FAKE NEWS!First you reported there was no looting or vandalism and everything was peaceful and we just didn't know cause we weren't there. NOW you are saying oh yeah well there actually WAS violence and looting, but it's all in the past now.
I think the reporting could be better. To me the way I think we *could tell, possibly, is to understand the situation *before the DHS security forces showed up in paramilitary style unies. They were not always there, they just showed up one day (I think around the weekend of the 10th or just before). I just haven't seen the need or the explanation from before that time frame justifying the deployment of these forces.
My take would be that the huge crowds that form during the day and as the evening progresses are by and large peaceful. I've been a part of multiple protests in person. And yes, when it starts to get late that is when things turn ugly but only in that 3 to 5 block radius right where the Justice Center is located. I guess I might have to drive to downtown at night and shoot video that shows that a majority of downtown Portland is untouched and normal. But I can see how people's perceptions are that Portland is war zone when they only show you footage from those 3 to 5 blocks around the parks and the Justice Center.
Turn off CNN, and climb out of your bubble. Plenty of evidence of molotov cocktails, mortar shells, commercial grade fireworks, etc. Twitter is your friend there.
I swear I don't understand this "by and large" or "mostly" peaceful tag line I am seeing over and over. I understand that many here get annoyed when some come on here and talk about the violence, and looting etc which everyone agrees is happening--and ignore the soccer moms who are just exercising there first amendment rights peacefully. But it's equally maddening when those defending this use these lines like somehow it's ok. I mean its ONLY a 3 or 5 block area. And last week it was a block. But the "majority" of downtown Portland is OK. What does that even mean?
I feel rather confident that you are correct here.
Agreed. But people just need to know that the City of Portland is completely fine and not under siege or citizens aren't in danger (except from the feds/PPB) or any other hyperbolic BS like that.
You're aware these are different cities, right? Portland and Seattle are not the same place to live? I can draw you a map if you need it.
Nobody in Portland is tolerating violence. That's why regular Janes and Joes are showing up....to get the violent Feds out of our ####### city.
I think there is violence and property damage all over the world. What's unique about my city is that the Feds are the ones unleashing the violence against citizens, arresting them without reading them their rights, kidnapping them and holding them against their will, refusing to identify themselves. Our rights are being violated. If this was your 2nd amendment rights being violated, you'd be screaming like a hyena about it. But I guess you guys are okay with the loss of the 1st amendment protections. Odd business, that.
Actually it was on CNN late night. So I don`t know what to believe anymore.
Who are “you guys”?
Bigger problem with police murdering George Floyd and countless other black people who were murdered by the police in our country. Much bigger problem, but that's probably where you and I differ, GB.
Well this is weird. You can't see any violence from your back window and were completely unaware of anything happening, but you sure can see all of this.....Interesting.
Never did say the city was perfect. Never did say it was free of violence. I just want the Feds to get the #### out.
That's a very interesting change of stance. But fair enough. You want feds out. Marked.Never did say the city was perfect. Never did say it was free of violence. I just want the Feds to get the #### out.
Aw, both northwest and rainy. Tomato tomato.
Yes, I am fully aware how badly you and your buddies want to play a game of 'GOT HIM' with me. To that I would simply say "good luck".....I am not the droid you're looking for.
It is? Just a few weeks ago it was part of the deep state out to get Trump. Twitter is now an acceptable source?
Dude..Im not interested in expending energy with you for a "gotcha" moment. You just dont mean that much to me.
I like to visit Seattle (in the summer) but would NEVER want to live there. Well, 1) I couldn't afford it. and B) It's just too hard to get around with traffic.Aw, both northwest and rainy. Tomato tomato.
*btw have lived in both city’s. Loved Portland, Seattle was just too much rain and coffee shops for me.
You've made it a point to remember my words in this thread and make direct quotes to me from the onset. Your actions don't match up to your words.
You can’t have too many coffee shops. Same goes for bottle shops, taco places, and food trucks.Aw, both northwest and rainy. Tomato tomato.
*btw have lived in both city’s. Loved Portland, Seattle was just too much rain and coffee shops for me.
This is actually helpful. So was the situation where protesters/rioters shot fireworks at the federal courthouse and other buildings, on July 4th, the reason the DHS broke 200+ years of American tradition and sent interior federal police to a local city? This was the precipitating cause, this?
and I'll keep stating this point over and over. The protests were dying out. They were on their last legs and would surely have fizzled out by now with the hot weather. But Trump needed another distraction to keep from being responsible for almost 150,000 deaths under his watch. Once the feds came in, the protests become re-energized to levels never seen before surrounding the Justice Center. Bigger crowds were formed early on, but those were in different parts of the city and usually during the marches across the bridges.
