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President Trump suggests delaying the election (1 Viewer)
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Mile High
Footballguy
Just throwing this into the mix.
Seth Abramson
@SethAbramson
(ALERT) Mike Pompeo just testified under oath that *Barr* will decide if Trump—despite having no constitutional authority to do so—can *announce* he's moving the election. Read that sentence multiple times and then retweet this. We're witnessing a historic threat to rule of law.
Seth Abramson
@SethAbramson
(ALERT) Mike Pompeo just testified under oath that *Barr* will decide if Trump—despite having no constitutional authority to do so—can *announce* he's moving the election. Read that sentence multiple times and then retweet this. We're witnessing a historic threat to rule of law.
whoknew
Footballguy
To their credit, it appears that most of the non-administration GOPers have said the election will happen in November. Including McConnell - (from twitter) - "#BREAKING: @senatemajldr just told me over the phone that the election date is set in stone. He cited past crises taking place during an election."
sho nuff
Footballguy
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Dickies
Footballguy
Skoo
Footballguy
yeah that's what i figured.
as i posted up thread, laws have no power, people have power to enforce them or not.
i've known this for a long time, but it's been really in your face since Barr was appointed.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
150,000 is the best trigger point for jokes.
https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1288878470957760512
https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1288878470957760512
yeah, like always
who is this we? because trump and plenty of republicans are campaigning against having mail-in votes counted.
and nice, wrapping yourself in the military. why do we particularly want votes from our overseas service members counted?
yeah, he's killin' us with these jokes.
and it's such a joke, that pompeo seriously entertained the question, and testified under oath in the senate that barr will decide if trump can announce he's postponing the election
Rich Conway
Footballguy
I agree with Pompeo here, and I don't even think he needs Barr's approval.
Trump can also *announce* he's a teenage vampire princess from Titan, the moon of Jupiter.
The Tick
Footballguy
BUT, the 17th amendment has a provision where any vacant Senate seats can be filled by the State Executives, provided allowed by their legislatures, so most of those "empty" senate seats could probably just be filled by Governor appointments...
True, but transitioning to a mostly mail-in election in this short of a timeframe is going to be incredibly difficult for nearly all states. Plus, all of their budgets (which by law must be balanced) are getting slammed by the pandemic, so there are no extra resources to devote to electoral systems. This is clearly a situation where the Federal government needs to help out
Joe Summer
Footballguy
I, for one, appreciate the President's messaging, and I think that he should continue to tell his followers that mail voting is bad and that in-person voting is too dangerous.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Trump made it his “pinned tweet.“ Which, I guess, both comedians and Presidents do with their best jokes.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
This is probably a good time to remind people that it was not even four months ago when a Democratic governor actually tried to do this, and everybody was angry at the state supreme court for not going along.
Also, one of the people on Biden's VP short list refused to concede defeat in the election that she is famous for having lost.
Obviously this sort of thing is wrong regardless of the letter after the person's name, but it would be nice if we were consistent about it.
Also, one of the people on Biden's VP short list refused to concede defeat in the election that she is famous for having lost.
Obviously this sort of thing is wrong regardless of the letter after the person's name, but it would be nice if we were consistent about it.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Primary vs. General...increase time for absentee balloting vs postpone completely...in the height of the pandemic vs. November.
Want more differences...I can come up with several.
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
Didn't you post in the last few days you were making an effort to not get into back and forth all the time like you do?
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
You left out that "April" has five letters vs. November having eight. That's just as relevant as the stuff you mentioned.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Umm...no, quite sure what we know now vs this and precautions we can make with the proper amount of time to prepare and height of the pandemic and all of that are far more relevant.
Doesn't seem like a very honest attempt at discussion here...so have a nice one.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
Come on, IK, even you can admit that there's a difference between "refuses to use the word 'concede'" and "refuses to leave office".
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
This is simply not true.
I accused you of being a dancing queen.
Nice call. I remember.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Do you think that Trump's tweet means "postpone the election (and I will stay in office longer)?" If so, that seems like a pretty significant difference from your two examples.
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
False equivalence rules everything around me.
Jackstraw
Footballguy
toshiba
Footballguy
I disagree with thatKind of scheduling scheduling, completely open like it is now. You were so close.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Seriously, and I promise that I mean this in the nicest way...take a breath. Relax
Maybe take a break from the news/PSF for a few days
The Gator
Footballguy
I assume this came during his questioning from Tim Kaine, and is a slight distortion of what was actually said, and the context in which it was said.
I'll see if I can find the clip, but Kaine asked Pompeo about the tweet, which came out sometime after the hearing had started - and Kaine asked if the President could do that. Pompeo simply demurred and noted it was not his place to make those kind of legal decisions - those would come from the DOJ.
Kilgore Trout
Footballguy
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
I see "Take a break and go outside!" is back and headed your way.
After all, that's the reasonable response to threatening democracy: "Calm down, you need a break!"
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Van Dyman
Footballguy
It's funny and got some laughs, but I had this same thought from a public health perspective. Here's the thing...COVID is spreading to more and more people and the trend looks like it's getting worse not better. If the prez truly believed the election date should be moved for the purpose of exposing fewer people...and, again, the trend looks like this will be worse after November than now...then he would be advocating to do the election earlier than November, like as soon as possible.
Whatever he's talking here, it about isn't because he cares about people, or COVID-19, or anything other than himself.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
It is actually a minor detail that doesn't change anything significantly. Postponing elections because of a pandemic was a bad idea in April, it's a bad idea now, and it will be a bad idea in November.
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
Right, I agree with the overall point. I'm just mentioning it since you continually cherry pick the discussion about the Wisconsin primary to argue with the board lefties.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Just using the phrase "false equivalence" doesn't uncouple two similar things. Using the pandemic as an excuse to postpone an election is bad, regardless of who is doing the postponing, regardless of whether it's a primary or general, regardless of whether other elections are being postponed, etc. Noting those differences doesn't change anything meaningful.
Sand
Footballguy
Exactly - it's utter lunacy to try to do this right now. Just plain dumb as rocks. Anyone with any sense and still promoting this is looking for election chaos as a result.
Agree there - more money for extended polling periods. If I were the Fed I wouldn't give a cent for mail in ballot in initiatives, though.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
I agree with the sentiment, but in April we should have been coming up with a plan to vote safely in November, be it by mail or in person. Whatever was happening with primaries at the time was a reaction to the new reality of life in a pandemic.
You’re right in the first point, and a lot of people have been calling for mail in voting since May. My state has been preparing since then and was already opening up absentee voting before covid hit, so we should be prepared. A state that hasn’t worked on a plan at this point would have a hard time moving forward with mail voting.
Sand
Footballguy
I'd expand that to " a state that has planned and has significant prior experience" should be ok to move forward with mail in voting. I'm very leery of implementing something substantial in our most important election. It opens up way too many Pandora's boxes - incompetence, fraud, voter confusion, etc.
Stick with what works - in-person, pencil and paper voting. Build a safe system around that.
All IMO, of course.
I mean, all states already have some form of mail-in/absentee balloting, so all we're really talking about is the degree they'll be able to scale it up. And that scale-up is going to happen whether states are ready for it or not; if lots of voters start requesting ballots, and if the parties encourage their voters to do so, states will be obligated to meet those requests and process the ballots when they are returned. The only thing that will happen if we don't fund it is what we saw in WI/GA during the primaries, where people waited until Election Day to receive their mail-ins, and then, when they hadn't received them in time, all rushed to the polling places and stood on long lines to vote.
Now, if your argument is that states should set voters' expectations now regarding mail-in ballots and focus on ensuring numerous safe, early, in-person voting sites, I get where you're coming from, but I still think their ability to create their own realities might be limited. Some people are just going to be too scared to vote in-person, especially if we're seeing another flare-up in the fall. And we've already seen that one of the biggest bottlenecks is the availability of poll workers, who have traditionally come from the elderly population. If 80-year-olds with co-morbidities are refusing to spend their October weekends sitting in a school cafeteria interacting with strangers, money is not going to be much help.
All of which is to say I'm in favor of expanding early voting, but I also think we need to have a plan for handling more mail-ins.
Van Dyman
Footballguy
I like it but, in most places, the election is already spread over far more than just 3 days when you consider the early voting period.
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Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
You may be surprised upon re-reading Trump's tweet that the pandemic is not mentioned.
Dickies
Footballguy
I think there is a pretty big difference between primaries and general elections, and I can understand a postponement in April to allow time to come up with a plan to allow safe voting, either in person or via mail. We have plenty of time between now and November to implement safety measures
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
What about the difference that I mentioned above (that this seems to be an attempt to extend Trump's term)? That seems extremely meaningful.
Also, I'd like to get your take on the postponement of the New York city mayoral primary on September 11, 2001. Was that also a bad idea? Why or why not?
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