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Can we talk about the radicalization of young white men on message boards? (1 Viewer)
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The Z Machine
Footballguy
Because disaffected youth can now band together in ways they never could before. I'm sure that there are plenty of instigators that have no intention on following through on their incendiary statements. "I'm only here for the lolz."
supermike80
Footballguy
supermike80
Footballguy
Also, because this is America? Should we shut down everything you don't believe in? That what you are saying here?
The Z Machine
Footballguy
I am not advocating a shut down of those sites, but rather to understand the psychology and culture that fills those sites with young, white men willing to kill their fellow Americans. How do we reach these disaffected young men to put down their weapons of war and violence?
Jayrod
Footballguy
What are you talking about?
That kid in Kenosha? There isn't some widespread movement of radical whites roaming the country killing people. The police brutality is a real thing, but the number of white kids actively engaging in racist violence is extremely minimal. There are a lot of dumbasses online, but very little of that translates to real life.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
The better example would probably be 4chan and the direct connection to several politically motivated mass shooters. For example, the Christchurch mosque shooter had 4chan "memes" scrawled on his armor/weapons and wore a helmet cam livestreaming the shooting with the link posted directly on 4chan for consumption.
This is definitely a big problem of our current world (and is not at all limited to white men), but I don't think it is something that is easily resolved. You can try to disperse the communities by shutting them down (Reddit nominally tries to do this, but they've always been weak in this area), but they'll always pop back up in different forms.
I'd also argue it is mostly a carry-on from the problems that social media brought to the world. All of these actions and behaviors existed before social media, but these new technologies and their widespread adoption has allowed them to be amplified and spread across the world in an instant.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
supermike80
Footballguy
I think what you are seeing is no different than ever minute in the history of the planet. There will always be disassociated people. there will always be those willing to kill others. This will not change. It just so happens now that these sites have been made available to you so you can see what was always hidden in the shadows.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Also, we now have proliferation of weapons on the streets that can inflict massive damage in short order.
But really, these things amplify on each other. Social media and unmoderated message boards are amplification engines.
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supermike80
Footballguy
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Define terrorism. It ain't just white people shooting up others every weekend. It ain't just white people out looting innocent businesses because they feel entitled to do so. It ain't white people running around intimidating people to hold their fist up yelling nonsense like silence is violence.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
No, it's not just white people rioting, but that's not what this thread is about. The topic is "the radicalization of young white men on message boards."
ren hoek
Footballguy
I like 4chan. I spend a fair amount of time on their finance board. There is good discussion about precious metals, cryptocurrency, fed policy. Lot of good content on the tv and videogame boards too. I think they get a bad rap from people who’ve never actually clicked on the board. There’s commies, anarchists, Trump supporters, even some Biden bros here and there.
It helps that I’ve been desensitized to everything and don’t get offended by stuff anymore, except the sort of stuff you would find on steakandcheese back in the early 2000s. If you have a bunch of sacred cows you probably wouldn’t like it. But there is also a lot of unfiltered and honest discussion about issues that are considered radical by mainstream standards.
My opinion is that people are radicalized by life, they turn to dark corners of the internet because there is no outlet for them in their daily life. I think the nature of the school system, military culture, and bad parenting has done more to ingratiate young people towards violence than any messageboard could ever dream of. And that’s all it is- a messageboard. A scapegoat for our failed state.
It helps that I’ve been desensitized to everything and don’t get offended by stuff anymore, except the sort of stuff you would find on steakandcheese back in the early 2000s. If you have a bunch of sacred cows you probably wouldn’t like it. But there is also a lot of unfiltered and honest discussion about issues that are considered radical by mainstream standards.
My opinion is that people are radicalized by life, they turn to dark corners of the internet because there is no outlet for them in their daily life. I think the nature of the school system, military culture, and bad parenting has done more to ingratiate young people towards violence than any messageboard could ever dream of. And that’s all it is- a messageboard. A scapegoat for our failed state.
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Insoxicated
I have three questions:The Z Machine said:
1) On a per capita basis, how big of a problem do "young" white men rank on a "kill their fellow Americans" rate vs, say, "young" black or Latino men?
2) If we are concerned about media forces driving young men of certain races to "kill their fellow Americans", what would you consider the Media Parallel be for black or Latino Culture?
3) Why are you specifically concerned with young white men ITT?
Ill hang up and listen.
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djmich
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
Good post...I think one of the real downsides of the internet/instant communication is it allows the fringe people in our society to think they are normal because they can communicate with the other weirdos...when I was younger (pre-internet) every neighborhood had those screwed up people but they usually kept to themselves because they were isolated and quite frankly the neighborhoods policed them and everyone kept their distance from them...now with technology they can make friends from their basement with similar weirdness and suddenly they feel like they are normal...next thing you know you got kids like the one in Kenosha or Antifa thugs who feel what they are doing is normal because they have their own gang of whack-jobs.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
I thought this thread was about radicalized young, white males? I don't want to digress to much, but I'll try to answer your questions.
Gang violence and crime is a real problem. Homicide rates in here Baltimore are extremely too high. Mostly the result of score settling and the block level drug game. The majority of the victims are those involved in the game, but there's a ton of collateral damage as well.
Personally, despite the proximity of that violence, I am more concerned with the radicalization of young, white males who feel they need to "protect" the people and the culture. I fear that these young men with easy access to high capacity and high powered rifles will cause a ton of problems in the next year, assuming Trump loses.
I am not concerned about the media culture or any of that nonsense. I don't know what ITT means.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
That's fear mongering just as if someone would say the left is going to riot and loot in all major cities if Trump wins.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Much like many of the protesters. When you separate them from the mob most are basically disenchanted losers in life. They have nothing going on in their lives and getting out every night with a group or gang gives them some purpose in life. When they throw a rock or bottle and get cheered they feel a little satisfaction..like someone thinks I am important.
djmich
Footballguy
Is it fear mongering if there is evidence of it already on the daily news (radicalized left)
Jayrod
Footballguy
Hurt people hurt people. The vast majority of these "disenchanted losers" are kids who were abused or abandoned. I imagine that occassionally there is a person whose wiring is just wrong, but that is pretty rare
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Maybe you are right but is that your opinion or is there any type of data to back up that the protesters/rioters causing problems were abused and or abandoned? This is the first time I heard of this theory.
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DropKick
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Snorkelson
Footballguy
Exhibit A.
ren hoek
Footballguy
I agree with jayrod too about many of these incidents being blown way, way out of proportion. This stuff is a feeding frenzy for the networks and they know it.
Not to downplay the severity of the problem either. A violent military empire, a decaying democracy, a culture that values status and power over compassion and humility. A school system that breeds hatred and insecurity in students who are not accepted.
But I really get the sense that news outlets (and garbage politicians) are benefitting from advancing divisiveness and scapegoating the other guys. It obscures how corrupt they are, how they quietly enable each other.
Not to downplay the severity of the problem either. A violent military empire, a decaying democracy, a culture that values status and power over compassion and humility. A school system that breeds hatred and insecurity in students who are not accepted.
But I really get the sense that news outlets (and garbage politicians) are benefitting from advancing divisiveness and scapegoating the other guys. It obscures how corrupt they are, how they quietly enable each other.
GROOT
Footballguy
Reddit is mainly liberal echo chamber now. And Tiger Droppings is a conservative echo chamber. 4chan, an entirely different thing, is a prank/trolling site. I wouldn't lump them all together and assume it's radicalization of one group. You are picking and choosing a narrative here.
Shula-holic
Footballguy
Funny, I've used that thing for years for ticket related business and my LSU market. Never looked there for political posts. Had no idea people even really looked at it that way.
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