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Banning TikTok / WeChat (1 Viewer)

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If I have this right, President Trump has issued an executive order which will stop US companies from distributing (allowing downloading) these apps on Sunday.  TikTok being one of the most widely used apps in the world.

The reason for this is along the lines of "combat China's malicious collection of American's personal data".

Getting to the point, this administration will stop US citizens from choosing to download this app to their personal phone for private use, but the same administration is not in favor of the same executive order to:

  • Force all Americans to wear masks during a global pandemic
  • Force all Americans who have been in-contact with known COVID patients to get tested
  • Force all Americans to have heath insurance
In all seriousness I am open to being wrong, this just does not add up for me.  What am I missing?

 
Here are some other apps that collect American's data for questionable purposes. 

  1. Facebook
  2. Google
  3. Twitter
  4. YouTube
  5. Instagram
  6. ...and pretty much every other "free" social media app.

 
If I have this right, President Trump has issued an executive order which will stop US companies from distributing (allowing downloading) these apps on Sunday.  TikTok being one of the most widely used apps in the world.

The reason for this is along the lines of "combat China's malicious collection of American's personal data".

Getting to the point, this administration will stop US citizens from choosing to download this app to their personal phone for private use, but the same administration is not in favor of the same executive order to:

  • Force all Americans to wear masks during a global pandemic
  • Force all Americans who have been in-contact with known COVID patients to get tested
  • Force all Americans to have heath insurance
In all seriousness I am open to being wrong, this just does not add up for me.  What am I missing?
What's missing is the real reason he is doing it, which is because he got his feelings all hurt over the Tulsa rally debacle. Guy is really a menace, dillying around with nonsense like this during a pandemic which has 1,000 people per day dying in America while 50 or so die in all of the other western nations combined. Seriously the guy needs to go, we don't need this BS anymore (never really did).

 
Trump supporting dads of 12-18 year old girls now risk their daughters disowning them. Thanks Donald Trump, the true divider of the country.

Red, blue, black, white, butthurt over TikTok, not butthurt over TikTok. Always looking to divide. That's really been working out great for the country during a pandemic and racial tensions. 

 
If I have this right, President Trump has issued an executive order which will stop US companies from distributing (allowing downloading) these apps on Sunday.  TikTok being one of the most widely used apps in the world.

The reason for this is along the lines of "combat China's malicious collection of American's personal data".

Getting to the point, this administration will stop US citizens from choosing to download this app to their personal phone for private use, but the same administration is not in favor of the same executive order to:

  • Force all Americans to wear masks during a global pandemic
  • Force all Americans who have been in-contact with known COVID patients to get tested
  • Force all Americans to have heath insurance
In all seriousness I am open to being wrong, this just does not add up for me.  What am I missing?
What's missing is the real reason he is doing it, which is because he got his feelings all hurt over the Tulsa rally debacle. Guy is really a menace, dillying around with nonsense like this during a pandemic which has 1,000 people per day dying in America while 50 or so die in all of the other western nations combined. Seriously the guy needs to go, we don't need this BS anymore (never really did).
I wasnt aware of the Tulsa thing.  Thank you

 
I wasnt aware of the Tulsa thing.  Thank you
I should have just responded with the answer and left out the commentary.

Yes, the real reason he is "banning" TikTok is revenge. The users on TikTok got together to "buy" tickets to the Tulsa rally (they were free). The coordinators of the Tulsa rally thought 100,000 people would show up. 6,000 actually showed up. It was an embarrassment for Trump so this is his "payback". It's petty, hurtful to kids, and just like DJT to take revenge on something so dumb. He got pranked. That's the reason. 

 
TicTok went beyond normal data mining though right? It was targeting young underage kids and keeping the info 

If that's true - I don't disagree with banning it until TicTok stops those things and to be fair, I have no problem with other datamining parts of app's and web sites being more restricted as well. 

to be fair - the ones saying everyone should wear a mask should all be in favor of this - right ?

 
If I have this right, President Trump has issued an executive order which will stop US companies from distributing (allowing downloading) these apps on Sunday.  TikTok being one of the most widely used apps in the world.

The reason for this is along the lines of "combat China's malicious collection of American's personal data".

Getting to the point, this administration will stop US citizens from choosing to download this app to their personal phone for private use, but the same administration is not in favor of the same executive order to:

  • Force all Americans to wear masks during a global pandemic
  • Force all Americans who have been in-contact with known COVID patients to get tested
  • Force all Americans to have heath insurance
In all seriousness I am open to being wrong, this just does not add up for me.  What am I missing?
All 3 of those suggested actions would imply the executive branch of the Federal Government issues an order to forcibly require American citizens to perform a task that the Federal Government has deemed appropriate, either willingly or against their will. 

Although there are certainly other factors at play, this action today regarding TikTok has nothing to do with Federal Government mandates forced upon individual U.S. Citizens.

 
1,000 people per day dying in America
which really isn't an issue - we allow it with tobacco use, abortion, obesity kills like 2.5 million a year, the leading cause of death in the USA has long been medical msitakes ..... but make it look like we care about lives? c'mon, at least be a bit more honest 
This argument is so awful that I cannot believe it was made with the slightest bit of seriousness involved.

 
which really isn't an issue - we allow it with tobacco use, abortion, obesity kills like 2.5 million a year, the leading cause of death in the USA has long been medical msitakes ..... but make it look like we care about lives? c'mon, at least be a bit more honest 
The point you snipped is part of a larger context, which is that there are more important issues, namely COVID but also plenty of others, to be focusing on.

Which is why selectively quoting is poor form. Quote the full post, it wasn't that long, 3 sentences. C'mon SC. I think we can agree this action against TikTok is petty revenge. I concede that the way I posted it is off-putting to come to an agreement, but I suspect there's some agreement there. 

 
Downloading TIkTok now.

PSA for Apple peeps. Youcan set up a second Apple ID to be used on the same device to get around the ban.

 
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I mean you're sort of burying the lede here by not mentioning that Trump is forcing the sale to his good buddy Ellison at Oracle. 
:goodposting: Raise money for Trump and he will steal a company from another country and give it to you.  I bet this really upsets all of the people that love to scream SOCIALISM!!! because they don't believe  all Americans should get medical care, food and shelter.  Same case with the airline execs asking for a 8 billion dollar handout yesterday. 

 
TicTok went beyond normal data mining though right? It was targeting young underage kids and keeping the info 

If that's true - I don't disagree with banning it until TicTok stops those things and to be fair, I have no problem with other datamining parts of app's and web sites being more restricted as well. 

to be fair - the ones saying everyone should wear a mask should all be in favor of this - right ?
Thanks for the response.

I havnt seen any data or analysis into the above bolded.  Do you have anything specific?

I would be interested in how it compares to the data other US companies gather like facebook and apple.

 
If I have this right, President Trump has issued an executive order which will stop US companies from distributing (allowing downloading) these apps on Sunday.  TikTok being one of the most widely used apps in the world.

The reason for this is along the lines of "combat China's malicious collection of American's personal data".

Getting to the point, this administration will stop US citizens from choosing to download this app to their personal phone for private use, but the same administration is not in favor of the same executive order to:

  • Force all Americans to wear masks during a global pandemic
  • Force all Americans who have been in-contact with known COVID patients to get tested
  • Force all Americans to have heath insurance
In all seriousness I am open to being wrong, this just does not add up for me.  What am I missing?
All 3 of those suggested actions would imply the executive branch of the Federal Government issues an order to forcibly require American citizens to perform a task that the Federal Government has deemed appropriate, either willingly or against their will. 

Although there are certainly other factors at play, this action today regarding TikTok has nothing to do with Federal Government mandates forced upon individual U.S. Citizens.
So the removal of the ability to download an app is not something forced on a citizen?

 
When Rudy Guiliani makes the argument on live TV, in complete and utter seriousness, that we don't do contact tracing for cancer and therefore we also shouldn't do it for COVID, I'm not sure why you wouldn't expect this kind of argument from Trump supporters.
When this is all said and done there will be a million dead Americans and tens of millions of Americans with long term health problems.   Too many people are acting like with the end of summer Covid is no longer an issue.  We're doomed.

 
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The word gets thrown out a lot in here, but this kind of action is fascist.

Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete and regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.[9] Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society.[9] Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature and views political violence, war, and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation.[10][11] Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky (national economic self-sufficiency) through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.[12]
If Trump were sincere in his cybersecurity and protection of individual privacy concerns, I'd expect many similar actions taken against companies / applications from Russia for example. Instead he's using the Federal Government to select who can play in the U.S. economy and what U.S. citizens will be allowed to access based on whims deriving from impact on his fragile ego. He's also intervening in the free economy to use Federal power to reward cronies like Ellison, who in turn use their wealth to keep him in power. This is naked corruption at the highest level.

This administration is an abject failure and abomination of the principles of U.S. Democracy and freedom on multiple levels. This is just another example.

 
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The word gets thrown out a lot in here, but this kind of action is fascist.

If Trump were sincere in his cybersecurity and protection of individual privacy concerns, I'd expect many similar actions taken against companies / applications from Russia for example. Instead he's using the Federal Government to select who can play in the U.S. economy and what U.S. citizens will be allowed to access based on whims deriving from impact on his fragile ego. He's also intervening in the free economy to use Federal power to reward cronies like Ellison.

This administration is an abject failure and abomination of the principles of U.S. Democracy and freedom on multiple levels. This is just another example.
Exactly.  As I was alluding to earlier, republicans lose their minds about "socialism" but fascism, meh.

 
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Just a plug because it seems related - there is a fascinating new documentary on Netflix called The Social Dilemma that examines the data collection efforts of social media and how they are able to turn that into not just analytics, but emotions and actions.

It touches on politics a little and how social media is dividing us, but it isn't too heavy on the political aspect.

It goes deeper into how it is impacting our kids and essentially creating an individualized reality based on our preferences.  This individualized reality being a reason for disagreement and division.

 
Just a plug because it seems related - there is a fascinating new documentary on Netflix called The Social Dilemma that examines the data collection efforts of social media and how they are able to turn that into not just analytics, but emotions and actions.

It touches on politics a little and how social media is dividing us, but it isn't too heavy on the political aspect.

It goes deeper into how it is impacting our kids and essentially creating an individualized reality based on our preferences.  This individualized reality being a reason for disagreement and division.
As I've noted before, humans are not psychologically prepared / evolved enough to handle the rate of technological progress we've experienced over the last 50 years or so. If we make it through this as a species, hundreds of years from now, historians and psychologists will have a field day analyzing our transition through this particular period of rapid technological advancement.

 
I would like to apologize for my absurd ignorance here, but can you explain to me the difference?
Certainly.

If a local health department issues a closure order for a restaurant in your neighborhood due to repeated health code violations, then that government agency (local in this case) is using powers granted to it under the law to restrict activities of a business in your county.  The restriction is likely temporary, but the business is obligated to supply a remedy.  The local government is acting upon it's duty and acting within powers that are vested with it in county ordinances.   The action is taken against a business.      It may be true that regular customers, including you, are indirectly impacted by this, because you eat dinner there each Friday night, but the government agency (county health board) has not taken any action to force you to do anything.    You may be unhappy about the action, but the action isn't directed at you.     You could probably go look up the county health ordinances to see the exact law they are acting within.

In the case in the news today, it is the Commerce Department, a Federal Government agency, carrying out the powers granted to it in the law to restrict certain business activities of a company (not you) within the United States.   The restriction is being placed on TikTok, and on WeChat.   The fact that the downloads are being restricted is just the same as your attempt to enter the closed restaurant is met with a locked door and health notice at the front of the restaurant.

The Commerce Department is acting within the following laws to perform this action:    50 USC 1701 and 50 USC 1601, as well as Section 301 of Title 3 under the United States Code.    The first two laws are laws passed by Congress addressing national security, and the 3rd is a law that grants the President of the U.S. the power to authorize to designate and empower the head of any department or agency in the executive branch any function which is vested in the President by law.   Basically, the power to designate Presidential power granted in USC 1701 and 1601 to the Commerce Department.  

So today's action is carried out as a restriction against business activities of TikTok and WeChat in the United States.   No action is being taken to force you, or any other mobile device user to do anything, but just as in the restaurant example, you may be indirectly impacted, and you may also be unhappy, but no unlawful action has been taken against you. 

You also have not had any rights violated, as you have no legally protected right to dowload the TikTok app specifically, just as you had no legally protected right to eat at the restaurant that the local health department shut down. 

By contrast, there is nowhere in the constitution that grants the President powers to do what JAA had suggested above:

  • Force all Americans to wear masks during a global pandemic
  • Force all Americans who have been in-contact with known COVID patients to get tested
  • Force all Americans to have health insurance
If the President attempted to do any of those things via a Federal mandate, it is certain that the Federal Government would be sued quickly, as these are not executive branch powers, and are not even powers vested in the Federal Government.   Indeed, the third thing on the list is what President Obama wanted to achieve with Obamacare, but lacking any power granted him under the law, he instead settled for merely to incenting this behavior through use of the federal tax code.     Citizens who don't have health insurance sufficient to meet the minimum essential coverage requirements as spelled out in the ACA are subject to punitive taxes, but they aren't forced to do anything.   

That is the difference.

 
to be fair - the ones saying everyone should wear a mask should all be in favor of this - right ?
If you choose not to wear a mask you are putting my health and the health of my loved ones at risk. If you chose instead to relinquish some of your privacy to enjoy whatever the benefits of TicToc are.... that doesn't really have any effect on me at all. That seems like a pretty obvious difference doesn't it?

 
If you choose not to wear a mask you are putting my health and the health of my loved ones at risk. If you chose instead to relinquish some of your privacy to enjoy whatever the benefits of TicToc are.... that doesn't really have any effect on me at all. That seems like a pretty obvious difference doesn't it?
If you wear your own mask or stay away from those that aren't wearing one then he's not putting your health at any risk.

 
Certainly.

If a local health department issues a closure order for a restaurant in your neighborhood due to repeated health code violations, then that government agency (local in this case) is using powers granted to it under the law to restrict activities of a business in your county.  The restriction is likely temporary, but the business is obligated to supply a remedy.  The local government is acting upon it's duty and acting within powers that are vested with it in county ordinances.   The action is taken against a business.      It may be true that regular customers, including you, are indirectly impacted by this, because you eat dinner there each Friday night, but the government agency (county health board) has not taken any action to force you to do anything.    You may be unhappy about the action, but the action isn't directed at you.     You could probably go look up the county health ordinances to see the exact law they are acting within.

In the case in the news today, it is the Commerce Department, a Federal Government agency, carrying out the powers granted to it in the law to restrict certain business activities of a company (not you) within the United States.   The restriction is being placed on TikTok, and on WeChat.   The fact that the downloads are being restricted is just the same as your attempt to enter the closed restaurant is met with a locked door and health notice at the front of the restaurant.

The Commerce Department is acting within the following laws to perform this action:    50 USC 1701 and 50 USC 1601, as well as Section 301 of Title 3 under the United States Code.    The first two laws are laws passed by Congress addressing national security, and the 3rd is a law that grants the President of the U.S. the power to authorize to designate and empower the head of any department or agency in the executive branch any function which is vested in the President by law.   Basically, the power to designate Presidential power granted in USC 1701 and 1601 to the Commerce Department.  

So today's action is carried out as a restriction against business activities of TikTok and WeChat in the United States.   No action is being taken to force you, or any other mobile device user to do anything, but just as in the restaurant example, you may be indirectly impacted, and you may also be unhappy, but no unlawful action has been taken against you. 

You also have not had any rights violated, as you have no legally protected right to dowload the TikTok app specifically, just as you had no legally protected right to eat at the restaurant that the local health department shut down. 

By contrast, there is nowhere in the constitution that grants the President powers to do what JAA had suggested above:

  • Force all Americans to wear masks during a global pandemic
  • Force all Americans who have been in-contact with known COVID patients to get tested
  • Force all Americans to have health insurance
If the President attempted to do any of those things via a Federal mandate, it is certain that the Federal Government would be sued quickly, as these are not executive branch powers, and are not even powers vested in the Federal Government.   Indeed, the third thing on the list is what President Obama wanted to achieve with Obamacare, but lacking any power granted him under the law, he instead settled for merely to incenting this behavior through use of the federal tax code.     Citizens who don't have health insurance sufficient to meet the minimum essential coverage requirements as spelled out in the ACA are subject to punitive taxes, but they aren't forced to do anything.   

That is the difference.
At some level, this is just semantics.  The restriction would be that you are not allowed to enter Walmart without wearing a mask.

By your logic, no one can ever be forced to do anything.  I can't be forced to wear clothes in public.  I can't be forced to wear shoes in a store.  I can't be forced to stop at a red light.

Edit to add: To be clear, I certainly recognize that there are jurisdictional issues at play.  I am, frankly, ignoring them in that my argument is that "the appropriate jurisdiction level of government" could make the rules.  Further, the feds, as they often do, can make de facto rules even without appropriate jurisdiction by simply withholding funding to states that don't make said rules.

 
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This argument is so awful that I cannot believe it was made with the slightest bit of seriousness involved.
Relax.  I'm sure if terrorists were blowing up a building with 1000 people in it every day or hijacking 10 planes every day and crashing them, @Stealthycat would just tell us it's no big deal, that many people die every day from heart disease anyway.

 
So the removal of the ability to download an app is not something forced on a citizen?
I don't know the specifics of the Tik Tok ordeal that well, but I do think there is a fundamental difference between the government forcing people to do something and the government banning a product.  Much of the latter exists already.  You can't own Plutonium or Cocaine.

 
Certainly.

If a local health department issues a closure order for a restaurant in your neighborhood due to repeated health code violations, then that government agency (local in this case) is using powers granted to it under the law to restrict activities of a business in your county.  The restriction is likely temporary, but the business is obligated to supply a remedy.  The local government is acting upon it's duty and acting within powers that are vested with it in county ordinances.   The action is taken against a business.      It may be true that regular customers, including you, are indirectly impacted by this, because you eat dinner there each Friday night, but the government agency (county health board) has not taken any action to force you to do anything.    You may be unhappy about the action, but the action isn't directed at you.     You could probably go look up the county health ordinances to see the exact law they are acting within.

In the case in the news today, it is the Commerce Department, a Federal Government agency, carrying out the powers granted to it in the law to restrict certain business activities of a company (not you) within the United States.   The restriction is being placed on TikTok, and on WeChat.   The fact that the downloads are being restricted is just the same as your attempt to enter the closed restaurant is met with a locked door and health notice at the front of the restaurant.

The Commerce Department is acting within the following laws to perform this action:    50 USC 1701 and 50 USC 1601, as well as Section 301 of Title 3 under the United States Code.    The first two laws are laws passed by Congress addressing national security, and the 3rd is a law that grants the President of the U.S. the power to authorize to designate and empower the head of any department or agency in the executive branch any function which is vested in the President by law.   Basically, the power to designate Presidential power granted in USC 1701 and 1601 to the Commerce Department.  

So today's action is carried out as a restriction against business activities of TikTok and WeChat in the United States.   No action is being taken to force you, or any other mobile device user to do anything, but just as in the restaurant example, you may be indirectly impacted, and you may also be unhappy, but no unlawful action has been taken against you. 

You also have not had any rights violated, as you have no legally protected right to dowload the TikTok app specifically, just as you had no legally protected right to eat at the restaurant that the local health department shut down. 

By contrast, there is nowhere in the constitution that grants the President powers to do what JAA had suggested above:

  • Force all Americans to wear masks during a global pandemic
  • Force all Americans who have been in-contact with known COVID patients to get tested
  • Force all Americans to have health insurance
If the President attempted to do any of those things via a Federal mandate, it is certain that the Federal Government would be sued quickly, as these are not executive branch powers, and are not even powers vested in the Federal Government.   Indeed, the third thing on the list is what President Obama wanted to achieve with Obamacare, but lacking any power granted him under the law, he instead settled for merely to incenting this behavior through use of the federal tax code.     Citizens who don't have health insurance sufficient to meet the minimum essential coverage requirements as spelled out in the ACA are subject to punitive taxes, but they aren't forced to do anything.   

That is the difference.
Excellent reply based on facts.  I’m sure there are those that would choose to debate the law, but I feel like I learned something after reading this.  Thanks!

 
At some level, this is just semantics.  The restriction would be that you are not allowed to enter Walmart without wearing a mask.

By your logic, no one can ever be forced to do anything.  I can't be forced to wear clothes in public.  I can't be forced to wear shoes in a store.  I can't be forced to stop at a red light.

Edit to add: To be clear, I certainly recognize that there are jurisdictional issues at play.  I am, frankly, ignoring them in that my argument is that "the appropriate jurisdiction level of government" could make the rules.  Further, the feds, as they often do, can make de facto rules even without appropriate jurisdiction by simply withholding funding to states that don't make said rules.
None of what I responded with is based upon a viewpoint, it is simply an explanation of what is occurring as it relates to the law, supplemented with an analogy (the restaurant) to make the principles in play easier to understand. 

 
If you wear your own mask or stay away from those that aren't wearing one then he's not putting your health at any risk.
Why do YOU think that trained health professionals overwhelmingly think that it's important for a person to wear a mask?

Do YOU think it's because I'm feeling lazy and I don't want to wear a mask so I insist that everyone else wears one.... but if I were willing to wear a mask my life wouldn't be touched by Covid in any way no matter what anyone else did?

 
None of what I responded with is based upon a viewpoint, it is simply an explanation of what is occurring as it relates to the law, supplemented with an analogy (the restaurant) to make the principles in play easier to understand. 
...and likely legal hurdles if Biden is elected and tries to do the same.

Though I would say that this President and his administration hasn’t exactly been concerned with the law when it is in his best interest.

And there are plenty of things outside the laws he could have done, which people may or may not agree with:

  • Use the bully pulpit of the Presidency to encourage safety and the use of masks
  • Abstain from making medical claims and giving credence to untested cures
  • Provide factual information on the risks in conjunction with the CDC rather than try to debate the dangers
  • etc. etc.
 
Certainly.

If a local health department issues a closure order for a restaurant in your neighborhood due to repeated health code violations, then that government agency (local in this case) is using powers granted to it under the law to restrict activities of a business in your county.  The restriction is likely temporary, but the business is obligated to supply a remedy.  The local government is acting upon it's duty and acting within powers that are vested with it in county ordinances.   The action is taken against a business.      It may be true that regular customers, including you, are indirectly impacted by this, because you eat dinner there each Friday night, but the government agency (county health board) has not taken any action to force you to do anything.    You may be unhappy about the action, but the action isn't directed at you.     You could probably go look up the county health ordinances to see the exact law they are acting within.

In the case in the news today, it is the Commerce Department, a Federal Government agency, carrying out the powers granted to it in the law to restrict certain business activities of a company (not you) within the United States.   The restriction is being placed on TikTok, and on WeChat.   The fact that the downloads are being restricted is just the same as your attempt to enter the closed restaurant is met with a locked door and health notice at the front of the restaurant.

The Commerce Department is acting within the following laws to perform this action:    50 USC 1701 and 50 USC 1601, as well as Section 301 of Title 3 under the United States Code.    The first two laws are laws passed by Congress addressing national security, and the 3rd is a law that grants the President of the U.S. the power to authorize to designate and empower the head of any department or agency in the executive branch any function which is vested in the President by law.   Basically, the power to designate Presidential power granted in USC 1701 and 1601 to the Commerce Department.  

So today's action is carried out as a restriction against business activities of TikTok and WeChat in the United States.   No action is being taken to force you, or any other mobile device user to do anything, but just as in the restaurant example, you may be indirectly impacted, and you may also be unhappy, but no unlawful action has been taken against you. 

You also have not had any rights violated, as you have no legally protected right to dowload the TikTok app specifically, just as you had no legally protected right to eat at the restaurant that the local health department shut down. 

By contrast, there is nowhere in the constitution that grants the President powers to do what JAA had suggested above:

  • Force all Americans to wear masks during a global pandemic
  • Force all Americans who have been in-contact with known COVID patients to get tested
  • Force all Americans to have health insurance
If the President attempted to do any of those things via a Federal mandate, it is certain that the Federal Government would be sued quickly, as these are not executive branch powers, and are not even powers vested in the Federal Government.   Indeed, the third thing on the list is what President Obama wanted to achieve with Obamacare, but lacking any power granted him under the law, he instead settled for merely to incenting this behavior through use of the federal tax code.     Citizens who don't have health insurance sufficient to meet the minimum essential coverage requirements as spelled out in the ACA are subject to punitive taxes, but they aren't forced to do anything.   

That is the difference.
You are cherry picking examples for your position.  I also disagree with your premises.

There are many federal restrictions.  Right or wrong Obama has shown us the power of Presidency with executive orders.  I think you are missing the forest for the trees with your analysis. 

 
I don't know the specifics of the Tik Tok ordeal that well, but I do think there is a fundamental difference between the government forcing people to do something and the government banning a product.  Much of the latter exists already.  You can't own Plutonium or Cocaine.
You also have to wear seatbelts and can’t drive drunk. What is your point?

 

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