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Our Son's Best Friend Was Murdered (Part 2) (1 Viewer)

Anarchy99

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I started a thread yesterday in the FFA relaying that our son's best friend was shot and killed over the weekend at a party at a frat house near Ohio State in Columbus, OH. I have some more information, which will make the subject matter much more suited for this forum than the FFA.

My son (who graduated earlier this year) and his friend were at the frat house having fun when thankfully our son decided to call it a night a little before 2 AM (before anything happened). Just after that, a group of 4 kids (now thought to be gang members) showed up to crash the party. They started making trouble and picking fights and were asked to leave. My son's friend and some other kids escorted the party crashers to the parking lot when things escalated further. One of the gang kids pulled out a gun, and my son's friend tried to tackle him to prevent the kid from shooting someone. Unfortunately, he could not dislodge the gun from the kid, who got up and immediate shot my son's friend in the head from point blank range. This was as tragic an outcome as there could be. That really should be the story, but there is more to it than that.

Since then, we have been trying to get more information about what happened. We have seen some articles, tv coverage, and commentary on the incident and I am left scratching my head more about the media coverage and fallout than the unfortunate incident itself. Columbus was one of many cities over the summer that had "protests" and/or "riots" and had some disruptive people that caused a fair amount of damage. Apparently, there were numerous accusations of police brutality, and law enforcement has had to spend the proceeding months defending themselves and dealing with lawsuits.

After this recent shooting incident (right before an election), lots of things are being brought up. Is the Columbus PD no longer responding to calls and are letting things go on? The shooter in this incident has a rap sheet a mile long and was awaiting trial on other charges . . . so what is the judicial system doing letting him walk the streets? There have now been X amount of murders this year in Columbus . . . what's going on with gun control? In general, it sounds like some troublemakers have been bragging that they can do whatever they want without fear of police intervention because the cops are not around and haven't been doing anything to prevent it. Some places have pointed out that there have now been several episodes related to Ohio State . . . are they somehow to blame and what are they doing about it? And of course, the racial / social side of things has popped up (in this case, predominantly affluent white college kids sparring with wrong side of the tracks, disadvantaged black kids).

So as a fall out, it seems like a lot of the coverage of the shooting has questioned what changes need to be made in political offices, law enforcement, the court system, etc. I don't really have much of an opinion on all those things . . . I am much more into grieving the outcome of the shooting. In hindsight, I shouldn't be all that surprised that this incident is being used to support positions and people may be trying to use it for political gain. Even the coverage of the incident is being brought up as being politically biased (ie the media is part of the story). My position is . . . what about the kid that got shot and his grieving family? 

That's about it . . . I don't really care about the spin doctoring beyond that. Sadly, I think this is a representative snapshot of how things are going in America and it's both sad and disheartening that this is where we are. I have never been this close to a national newsworthy shooting / incident. Maybe I am naïve to expect the 24-48 hours after a tragedy like this should be used to support the victim and his family. It almost feels like the articles and political positioning were already prepared and they just substituted the name of the victim to further their agenda.

Anyway, thanks to all those that gave a shout out of support.

 
Wow, I'm very sorry to hear about this.  Relieved that your son wasn't directly involved, but this has got to be really tough on him.  Best of luck to you, your son, and the rest of your family.

 
Since this is the FFA.  Here's my take.

Fewer guns on the streets means fewer incidents like this.  Sure, the murderer could have stabbed him or beat him with a bat, or he could have gotten jumped by all the gang members.  But the likelihood of death increases when guns are present.

Gun violence is an epidemic in the USA.  Repeal the 2nd Amendment or reinterpret it to mean something other than, "lots of guns everywhere".

 
In Brooklyn a few months ago when the protests were peaking it was pretty apparent that the police had decided to basically stop enforcing any laws in my neighborhood. Cops would literally sit in their cars and watch people commit crimes but do nothing.

 
In Brooklyn a few months ago when the protests were peaking it was pretty apparent that the police had decided to basically stop enforcing any laws in my neighborhood. Cops would literally sit in their cars and watch people commit crimes but do nothing.
That is horrible. 

 
I'm sorry for the loss of your son's friend.

regarding the second half of your post, right now we're stuck in a vicious cycle due to the volatile social dynamics:
- pot stirrers can manipulate videos, photos or messages to make them seem inflammatory
- internet mobs are always looking for the next thing to be outraged about
- law enforcement may hesitate to take action for fear of labeling or retaliation
- bad actors feel empowered due to reduced law enforcement
- perceptions & consequences may be influenced by social media

and so on.

 
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my daughters boyfriend was shot and killed 8 weeks or so ago on a college campus - and media didn't cover it much, no BLM or ANTIFA showed up .. Lebron didn't talk about it, Doc Rivers didn't cry about it .. it wasn't news at all

 
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I'm sorry for the loss of your son's friend.

regarding the second half of your pots, right now we're stuck in a vicious cycle due to the volatile social dynamics:
- pot stirrers can manipulate videos, photos or messages to make them seem inflammatory
- internet mobs are always looking for the next thing to be outraged about
- law enforcement may hesitate to take action for fear of labeling or retaliation
- bad actors feel empowered due to reduced law enforcement
- perceptions & consequences may be influenced by social media

and so on.
Agreed here...just a tragic situation for Anarchy's son...hoping your son and other friends get and are open to whatever help they may need as well.  And prayers out to that friend's family and friends.

Really really awful stuff.

 
Tragic situation.
 

Sorry for you and your son.  
 

Sadly some of the most crime infested areas in Columbus are blocks from the OSU campus and student apartments.  They’ve always left that out of the brochures but it’s been that way for 30+ years.   OSU Police need a strong relationship with CPD for just that reason.  

 
Terrible tragedy, for everyone involved.

Doesn't seem to be many details on the 19 year old shooters burglary conviction. It's possible he pled out (almost certain given the timeline), and a condition of that may have been to not be remanded to custody. Or he might have appealed, in which case he is entitled to bail.

The fraternity has been on suspension since 2018 for hazing violations. Shame they were still holding parties. 

A lot of fraternities have open parties. If you that, you're going inevitably have townies show up. Our parties were closed but we kind of let that slide for significant others or close friends from other Greek orgs. But we always had a couple sober big guys watching the front/back to ensure porches nobody was crashing the party. I think our membership was around 70-90 during my three years, but I know at bigger state universities it is often much larger. Gotta be hard to control. 

 
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In Brooklyn a few months ago when the protests were peaking it was pretty apparent that the police had decided to basically stop enforcing any laws in my neighborhood. Cops would literally sit in their cars and watch people commit crimes but do nothing.
Similar stuff reportedly happening in Minneapolis, as well. Cops basically not doing their jobs unless absolutely required, etc. Which leads to the Law & Order crowd crowing "what do you expect if you defund the police department." 

Of course, the department hasn't been defunded at all, yet, and the un-elected City Charter Commission unilaterally decided that the proposed defunding amendment to the city charter would not be allowed on the November ballot. That effectively killed the City Council/public's effort to make any sort of change, and I believe the quickest we'll get a chance to even begin changing anything would be after the November 2021 local elections (assuming the City Charter Commission even allows it to go on that ballot instead).

 
This article was updated and now includes this:

Police are still working to determine what brought Mitchell to the University District and that particular party, Fuqua said.

Fuqua said police questioned several other people, but no other charges have been filed at this time.

No other injuries were reported at the scene.

Fuqua wouldn't specify how many individuals were in attendance at the party, but said there was "a huge presence of people," there. He urged anyone who was in attendance who might have first-hand accounts, video, or pictures from the gathering to reach out to the Columbus police homicide unit at (614)-645-4730 or Central Ohio Crime Stoppers at (614)-461-TIPS.

Ohio State suspended its Phi Kappa Psi chapter in 2018, through August 2022, for hazing and endangering behavior. It's unclear if anyone had been inside the house Saturday night and into Sunday, but Fuqua said there was no sign of anyone inside the building when police arrived early Sunday morning. 

Officials with the national Phi Kappa Psi organization said they were aware of the incident that occurred "at or near the facilities owned by our local house corporation" at Ohio State.
@Anarchy99- Has your son contacted police about being inside the frat house before the shooting? I ask this as my son lost a friend under questionable circumstances and the family of the decedent are desperate for witnesses. Law enforcement called it a suicide but the family (and my son) know the friend wasn't suicidal.

What your son offers to police may seem inconsequential, but could possibly lead to others being charged in association with this murder.

 
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Since this is the FFA.  Here's my take.

Fewer guns on the streets means fewer incidents like this.  Sure, the murderer could have stabbed him or beat him with a bat, or he could have gotten jumped by all the gang members.  But the likelihood of death increases when guns are present.

Gun violence is an epidemic in the USA.  Repeal the 2nd Amendment or reinterpret it to mean something other than, "lots of guns everywhere".
One thing I don't get is the logic taken by either side on any of these hot button issues.

For instance -

Abortion - if we make abortion illegal, women will just get them from unregulated places making them more dangerous.

Guns - if we eliminate 2nd Amendment all gun violence will cease - there will be no black market for gun.

So which is it?  What makes a black market for abortions more likely than a black market for weapons?

 
Similar stuff reportedly happening in Minneapolis, as well. Cops basically not doing their jobs unless absolutely required, etc. Which leads to the Law & Order crowd crowing "what do you expect if you defund the police department." 

Of course, the department hasn't been defunded at all, yet, and the un-elected City Charter Commission unilaterally decided that the proposed defunding amendment to the city charter would not be allowed on the November ballot. That effectively killed the City Council/public's effort to make any sort of change, and I believe the quickest we'll get a chance to even begin changing anything would be after the November 2021 local elections (assuming the City Charter Commission even allows it to go on that ballot instead).
I don't think it's as simple as "the department hasn't been defunded". After all, it is highly unlikely that a  dollar out of the budget led to no gas in the police car and therefore they didn't respond. What it is, is a combination of police being used in places where the protests/riots (whatever someone wants to call them) are trying to be kept in order, combined with, in some areas not all but some) where the police forces have specific instructions to limit what they can do on their jobs, and (probably the most important), police are under such scrutiny that they are severely hampered in what they can do without it literally being the end of their career/life.  

It is a shame where we are with this. 

 
I think the difference is how a fetus is made vs a firearm.

How do other countries regulate the black market for firearms?

 
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@Anarchy99- Has your son contacted police about being inside the frat house before the shooting? I ask this as my son lost a friend under questionable circumstances and the family of the decedent are desperate for witnesses. Law enforcement called it a suicide but the family (and my son) know the friend wasn't suicidal.

What he may offer may seem inconsequential, but could possibly lead to others being charged in association with this murder.
I certainly can ask him to contact the authorities. I am not sure who was unclear who had been in the house . . . I am guessing that the reporter was unclear who was in the house (not the police).

I thought I saw something yesterday where a girl said a bunch of kids were still there when the police showed up and she was frightened when they secured the scene with rifles drawn. I don't think it took the police long to figure out who allegedly did it and to apprehend the suspect, and the police apparently had multiple witnesses. But like you said, you never know what people reported. I don't think many cases have been lost by having too much information (well, other than OJ).

 
Terrible tragedy, for everyone involved.

Doesn't seem to be many details on the 19 year old shooters burglary conviction. It's possible he pled out (almost certain given the timeline), and a condition of that may have been to not be remanded to custody. Or he might have appealed, in which case he is entitled to bail.

The fraternity has been on suspension since 2018 for hazing violations. Shame they were still holding parties. 

A lot of fraternities have open parties. If you that, you're going inevitably have townies show up. Our parties were closed but we kind of let that slide for significant others or close friends from other Greek orgs. But we always had a couple sober big guys watching the front/back to ensure porches nobody was crashing the party. I think our membership was around 70-90 during my three years, but I know at bigger state universities it is often much larger. Gotta be hard to control. 
I was never in a fraternity, but what I remember about this particular chapter in Columbus, it really hadn't done a ton viewed as "blatantly against the rules." From what our son told us (which admittedly who knows if that is accurate or biased), he thought they got in trouble for things that went on at other chapters at other schools (when there was a crackdown on all Greek life across the country after several kids got hurt or died from hazing).

He mentioned at one point they were cited from having too many people over when they weren't supposed to and something about having too many girls over from the wrong sorority. I guess they have agreements to have specified hosting events with a designated sorority and they didn't meet whatever rules or criteria they were supposed to follow.

I do remember this chapter had an issue with someone that had joined and then dropped out, and then files a formal complaint claiming that the fraternity somehow discriminated against minorities in terms of who they accepted. I don't remember the whole story, but the person complaining was a minority and was approved by the chapter president (who was the same minority), so that didn't seem to make a lot of sense. That extended the probation for the chapter, and then COVID hit. So yeah, that house spent a lot of time in the doghouse and on probation.

As for their get togethers, I think they generally welcome kids whether they were invited or not (or closed parties). In this case, it sounds like the kids that started the trouble were actively being disruptive. If they were acting appropriately, I don't think they would have been asked to leave.

 
One thing I don't get is the logic taken by either side on any of these hot button issues.

For instance -

Abortion - if we make abortion illegal, women will just get them from unregulated places making them more dangerous.

Guns - if we eliminate 2nd Amendment all gun violence will cease - there will be no black market for gun.

So which is it?  What makes a black market for abortions more likely than a black market for weapons?
There will be a black market for guns...for a while. There was a black market for Thompson submachine guns for a while after they became illegal, then they became almost impossible to get or repair. Eventually (admittedly, it will take a long time), the same will happen with assault rifles if banned. Women getting pregnant will never become impossible.

 
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One thing I don't get is the logic taken by either side on any of these hot button issues.

For instance -

Abortion - if we make abortion illegal, women will just get them from unregulated places making them more dangerous.

Guns - if we eliminate 2nd Amendment all gun violence will cease - there will be no black market for gun.

So which is it?  What makes a black market for abortions more likely than a black market for weapons?
Agreed. There is historically something to be seen regarding limiting guns.  Regardless of which side we come down on, we have seen over and over that a deterrent (whether guns, show of force in personnel, nuclear weapons, build up of medicine, etc) always DOES have a curbing effect, just as we have always seen that places where guns are "not allowed" only results in no lawful guns...but the bad guys still have theirs. 

I lived in Arizona several years ago with open gun laws.  I used to stop at a Circle K at 2-3am all the time and there were these two tiny women working there all the time. I asked them one time if they were afraid working night shift and they both said, "no, cause all you guys can be in here with your guns at any time.  The kids or punks that want to start trouble know that and we don't get bothered."  that's not a 100% universal thing we can apply but there is a lot of truth in it.  If people know there is no one out there stopping them, they get a sense of ability to do what they want, much like this story about the OSU shooting in this thread.  

 
I think the difference is how a fetus is made vs a firearm.

How do other countries regulate the black market for firearms?
How is that a difference? I am trying to understand how that factors in. The result seems to be the same.  Whether it is abortion, guns, drugs, prohibition in the 30's, etc...if the demand is there and you legislate it away legally, it always opens back markets, corruption, etc. Some governments become more corrupt on the inside "policing" it than when it was legal. Some do aggressive jobs and make headway.  but the result is usually the same, it is usually going to create a more dangerous scenario by handcuffing the law-abiding people more than the lawbreakers.  In the case of abortion though, I think it is more dangerous for the pregnant person to receive unprofessional assistance in the abortion than otherwise. 

 
One thing I don't get is the logic taken by either side on any of these hot button issues.

For instance -

Abortion - if we make abortion illegal, women will just get them from unregulated places making them more dangerous.

Guns - if we eliminate 2nd Amendment all gun violence will cease - there will be no black market for gun.

So which is it?  What makes a black market for abortions more likely than a black market for weapons?
Not sure its the right thread for it...but not sure I have ever heard anyone saying that repealing the 2nd Amendment that all gun violence will cease...or that there would be no black market.

There would, however, be more obstacles in obtaining a weapon...which provides more layers for people to get caught.  Similar to layers upon layers of things making it harder to obtain bomb making materials.  

 
I was never in a fraternity, but what I remember about this particular chapter in Columbus, it really hadn't done a ton viewed as "blatantly against the rules." From what our son told us (which admittedly who knows if that is accurate or biased), he thought they got in trouble for things that went on at other chapters at other schools (when there was a crackdown on all Greek life across the country after several kids got hurt or died from hazing).

He mentioned at one point they were cited from having too many people over when they weren't supposed to and something about having too many girls over from the wrong sorority. I guess they have agreements to have specified hosting events with a designated sorority and they didn't meet whatever rules or criteria they were supposed to follow.

I do remember this chapter had an issue with someone that had joined and then dropped out, and then files a formal complaint claiming that the fraternity somehow discriminated against minorities in terms of who they accepted. I don't remember the whole story, but the person complaining was a minority and was approved by the chapter president (who was the same minority), so that didn't seem to make a lot of sense. That extended the probation for the chapter, and then COVID hit. So yeah, that house spent a lot of time in the doghouse and on probation.

As for their get togethers, I think they generally welcome kids whether they were invited or not (or closed parties). In this case, it sounds like the kids that started the trouble were actively being disruptive. If they were acting appropriately, I don't think they would have been asked to leave.
@Anarchy99 my condolences to the New Jersey family who lost their son, and I hope your son has someone to talk to about this. I had a classmate involved in a shooting between our junior and senior year, and attended several days of the trial. It's a traumatizing experience.

With respect to the 4-year suspension, the investigation was conducted by the University. There were 11 fraternities under investigation and all campus Greek life was temporarily suspended 2017-18. The fraternity in which the shooting occurred was suspended at the end of investigation along with one other; in 2020, three more fraternities were suspended. The allegations were underage drinking, hazing and endangerment (y'all can google easily if the details are important.)

My presumption is the story the cops received from the fraternity members/other party goers was probably slanted to put their guy in the best possible light. Likely will be awhile before we know what really happened (if ever.)

Anyway, this is a really painful event for anyone even tangentially connected. Sorry your son is dealing with this. I'll bow out of the thread.

 
You are asking the wrong person.  Ask any Biden supporter how it works...I was just repeating that hilarious narrative.
Ymm...so you chose a thread where someone’s son was murdered, to try and get what you think are hilarious reactions from people on the internet?

Super cool.

Also a false narrative about “Biden supporters” as well.

 
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In Brooklyn a few months ago when the protests were peaking it was pretty apparent that the police had decided to basically stop enforcing any laws in my neighborhood. Cops would literally sit in their cars and watch people commit crimes but do nothing.
This is why I’m getting a gun permit.  

 
This is why I’m getting a gun permit.  
Happy waiting. My wife just got her Glock 19 after waiting since early August. I’m still waiting on my Sig since early July. Luckily I’ve got something bigger/better in case things go bad that threaten my home/family

 
In Brooklyn a few months ago when the protests were peaking it was pretty apparent that the police had decided to basically stop enforcing any laws in my neighborhood. Cops would literally sit in their cars and watch people commit crimes but do nothing.
Do you blame them?  My BIL is a 27 year old Hispanic police officer.  Used to love the job but right now he said he is afraid of of being the first one to respond to a situation in case it gets violent so he waits.  Said many of the men and women he works with feel the same.  They are waiting until 2-3-4 cars are on site at the same time.

 
The shooter in this incident has a rap sheet a mile long and was awaiting trial on other charges . . . so what is the judicial system doing letting him walk the streets? In general, it sounds like some troublemakers have been bragging that they can do whatever they want
I haven't seen it mentioned in here yet, so I'll just add to this point that around here a lot of criminals who might otherwise be held in custody longer are being released because of covid concerns in the jails and prisons.

 
Happy waiting. My wife just got her Glock 19 after waiting since early August. I’m still waiting on my Sig since early July. Luckily I’ve got something bigger/better in case things go bad that threaten my home/family
P320?

 
I started a thread yesterday in the FFA relaying that our son's best friend was shot and killed over the weekend at a party at a frat house near Ohio State in Columbus, OH. I have some more information, which will make the subject matter much more suited for this forum than the FFA.

My son (who graduated earlier this year) and his friend were at the frat house having fun when thankfully our son decided to call it a night a little before 2 AM (before anything happened). Just after that, a group of 4 kids (now thought to be gang members) showed up to crash the party. They started making trouble and picking fights and were asked to leave. My son's friend and some other kids escorted the party crashers to the parking lot when things escalated further. One of the gang kids pulled out a gun, and my son's friend tried to tackle him to prevent the kid from shooting someone. Unfortunately, he could not dislodge the gun from the kid, who got up and immediate shot my son's friend in the head from point blank range. This was as tragic an outcome as there could be. That really should be the story, but there is more to it than that.

Since then, we have been trying to get more information about what happened. We have seen some articles, tv coverage, and commentary on the incident and I am left scratching my head more about the media coverage and fallout than the unfortunate incident itself. Columbus was one of many cities over the summer that had "protests" and/or "riots" and had some disruptive people that caused a fair amount of damage. Apparently, there were numerous accusations of police brutality, and law enforcement has had to spend the proceeding months defending themselves and dealing with lawsuits.

After this recent shooting incident (right before an election), lots of things are being brought up. Is the Columbus PD no longer responding to calls and are letting things go on? The shooter in this incident has a rap sheet a mile long and was awaiting trial on other charges . . . so what is the judicial system doing letting him walk the streets? There have now been X amount of murders this year in Columbus . . . what's going on with gun control? In general, it sounds like some troublemakers have been bragging that they can do whatever they want without fear of police intervention because the cops are not around and haven't been doing anything to prevent it. Some places have pointed out that there have now been several episodes related to Ohio State . . . are they somehow to blame and what are they doing about it? And of course, the racial / social side of things has popped up (in this case, predominantly affluent white college kids sparring with wrong side of the tracks, disadvantaged black kids).

So as a fall out, it seems like a lot of the coverage of the shooting has questioned what changes need to be made in political offices, law enforcement, the court system, etc. I don't really have much of an opinion on all those things . . . I am much more into grieving the outcome of the shooting. In hindsight, I shouldn't be all that surprised that this incident is being used to support positions and people may be trying to use it for political gain. Even the coverage of the incident is being brought up as being politically biased (ie the media is part of the story). My position is . . . what about the kid that got shot and his grieving family? 

That's about it . . . I don't really care about the spin doctoring beyond that. Sadly, I think this is a representative snapshot of how things are going in America and it's both sad and disheartening that this is where we are. I have never been this close to a national newsworthy shooting / incident. Maybe I am naïve to expect the 24-48 hours after a tragedy like this should be used to support the victim and his family. It almost feels like the articles and political positioning were already prepared and they just substituted the name of the victim to further their agenda.

Anyway, thanks to all those that gave a shout out of support.
Man, not even touching on any politics of this but really sorry for your families loss of a close friend. Just awful. 

 
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Sorry to hear. It's a strange time for everyone. My BIL has been a cop for 18 years and is in the process of "buying his years" to retire early. He is taking a big hit financially to get out early, but he tells me the current risk isnt worth the reward. 

 
Sorry just now seeing this. I'm so sorry. I pray for healing and peace for your son and the young man's family and everyone associated with the situation. 

 

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