Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
It is the biggest problem in the world by far. It isn't that he doesn't attend every meeting. He can't be bothered to attend any meetings anymore.
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whoknew
Footballguy
I don't want you to think that I'm defending Trump. I think he's horrific.
I'm just saying, I could see why the President would send someone important (like the VP) to the committee meetings. And then just have the VP brief him.
Thanks @bigbottom Can you elaborate more on how likely you think that is and what you think it might be?
I think it's a super interesting question. In some ways, I can totally see him building a network or teaming / buying / joining a NewsMax or OAN type with infrastructure in place. I wouldn't bet against him being successful with this. Maybe wildly successful as a network.
Where I'm way less certain is how it connects with the GOP.
The other thing is it seems to me the life of a former president is pretty dang sweet from what I can tell from the others. I'm sure there's a giant element of dealing with no longer being in the spotlight We see that all the time with athletes. Some seem happy to retire. Others come back three times. I'm sure he'll be mocked for how he deals with that but that's a totally real thing for any super famous person. It'll be interesting to see.
bigbottom
Footballguy
In terms of GOP politics, it is clear that Trump LOVES being able to say that he got someone elected, or that he kept someone from being elected. And I have no doubt that he will continue to have millions of faithful followers even after he leaves the White House. He will leverage that influence over the electorate to impact national and local elections in ways that he sees fit.
James Daulton
Footballguy
I agree with BB. Trump seems to crave the spotlight, attention, and adulation. If he keeps a constant presence by creating his own network, he's got his very own outlet for him to stay connected with his supporters and this provides an avenue for him to hold rallies, fund raise, etc so that he can either be a king maker in the GOP or run again in 24.
Thanks. I can see that. If you had to put a percent chance on it, how likely do you think something like that happens where's he's very active vs something more where he goes back to his pre President level profile.
That's probably a relevant point too. We have to remember "normal" profile for him has always been very high. It's not like he ever was a low profile person.
I'm thinking something like 30% he does a huge network / kingmaker type thing and more likely he goes back to his pre president level of profile.
Mile High
Footballguy
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
John Maddens Lunchbox
Socialism for Dummies
@FBG Moderator, we can’t have decent discourse when either fishing trips like this or people with mindsets like this are posting walls of words.
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
Time to implement that character limit.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Wow - it was nice knowing you GG. Hope you enjoy the time off that I'm sure is coming your way.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
GordonGekko
Footballguy
This is what some of you liberals do. Scour for jaywalking then try to silence people with political views and votes you don't like. This is how the echo chamber is created. This how the mantra "Defund The Police" became a DNC marching order when clearly the average American outside of the MSM/Social Media/Big Tech/Hollywood/Professional politics bubble thought it was insane.
Keep trying to cancel me and the other conservatives here. It only makes you a billboard to push moderates and undecideds to the right of the spectrum.
Keep smashing the report button if it makes you feel like a hero.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I didn't report you and I have no problem with anything that's posted. It doesn't bother me one bit. But the moderators have been pretty clear about what flies and doesn't fly around here. IMO your post was not going to fly.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
yak651
Footballguy
General Malaise
Footballguy
His post about AOC was completely gross. Took all my might not to report that but this shared alias account is ramping up the rhetoric to needle the left.
yak651
Footballguy
Yeah I don't get the point of posting stuff so over the top that surely must be meant to "own the other side", but I guess just what this world is coming to, :(
we can't have decent discourse, but we can perhaps have a laugh. i thought the bolded Obama line was funny. top level humor.
CentralPA
Footballguy
trader jake
Footballguy
Not to go all covfefe on my fellow FBGs, but...
laches
laches
Moonlight
Footballguy
Haven't met one person yet who voted dem who supported "defund the police". Police accountability and reform are mentioned instead. Wife and I cringed whenever defund the police was used and knew the average dem was opposed to the phrase. Also thought that the far right would blow it out of proportion to try to misrepresent it as it as part of the democratic platform.
GordonGekko
Footballguy
"The nail that stands up is the one that gets hammered"
- Japanese Proverb
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/505307-ocasio-cortez-dismisses-proposed-1b-cut-defunding-police-means-defunding
Ocasio-Cortez dismisses proposed $1B cut: 'Defunding police means defunding police'
By J. Edward Moreno - 06/30/20 05:02 PM EDT 340
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) said New York City’s proposed $1 billion cut from the police department budget tiptoes around demands from activists who are asking for a reduced police presence.
Though the plan proposed by New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) cuts one-sixth of the New York Police Department (NYPD) budget, activists note that much of it would be transferred to other city departments, including the Department of Education, where it could pay for police in schools. Activists have advocated for removing officers from schools altogether.
“Defunding police means defunding police,” the congresswoman said in a statement. “It does not mean budget tricks or funny math. It does not mean moving school police officers from the NYPD budget to the Department of Education’s budget so the exact same police remain in schools.”
De Blasio said at a press conference Monday that his office presented a budget to the New York City Council over the weekend that would "achieve a billion dollars in savings" for New York police.
Anthonine Pierre, a spokesperson for Communities United for Police Reform, said in a local TV interview that de Blasio is "doing funny math and playing the PR games he always plays" in the proposal.
"It seems like the mayor is trying to use the talking points of defunding the police without actually meeting the demands," Pierre said.
Calls to defund the police and put government funding toward other social services have gained traction in the weeks since the May 25 death of George Floyd at the hands of the Minneapolis police. Mayors in San Francisco and Los Angeles have pledged to cut police budgets, while city councils in places such as Washington, D.C., have passed a slate of reform measures to enhance law enforcement oversight.
Ocasio-Cortez said that cutting the police budget is not effective if it does not result in the reduced presence of law enforcement.
“It does not mean counting overtime cuts as cuts, even as NYPD ignores every attempt by City Council to curb overtime spending and overspends on overtime anyways,” Ocasio-Cortez said. “If these reports are accurate, then these proposed ‘cuts’ to the NYPD budget are a disingenuous illusion. This is not a victory. The fight to defund policing continues.”
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https://news.yahoo.com/aoc-asked-defunding-police-her-130800430.html
Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is among the proponents of the call to defund the police, and a recent post on her Instagram story on the subject quickly went viral, after it was screenshotted and shared by Twitter user Ashley Quan. Asked, "What does an America with defunded police look like to you?" Ocasio-Cortez responded, "It looks like a suburb."
"Affluent white communities already live in a world where the choose to fund youth, health, housing etc more than they fund police," Ocasio-Cortez explained. "When a teenager or preteen does something harmful in a suburb (I say teen bc this is often where lifelong carceral cycles begin for Black and Brown communities), White communities bend over backwards to find alternatives to incarceration for their loved ones to 'protect their future,' like community service or rehab or restorative measures. Why don't we treat Black and Brown people the same way?
"Why doesn't the criminal system care about Black teens' futures the way they care for White teens' futures?" AOC continued. "Why doesn't the news use Black people's graduation or family photos in stories the way they do when they cover White people (eg Brock Turner) who commit harmful crimes?"
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The two links and articles I posted above were far more fair than what AOC would get when handled by a real RNC media analyst/crisis management operative. I actually let the context flesh out ( for those you slamming the Report Button me, you can't have it both ways, you can't scream political tribalism because there is no context , then hunt me with the Report Button for length of posting when I give the context )
AOC has been called "the future of the Democratic Party" and is a legit 2024 POTUS contender. She has a massive platform.
“Defunding police means defunding police,” and "It looks like a suburb."
Those are statements that show no real political savvy nor true understanding how the media operates. There is always greater context, but those are easy slogans/soundbites to use against AOC and the DNC. Politicians must use their words carefully and safeguard from being taken out of context. Ben Shapiro, though not a professional politician, does this shockingly well.
It's poor messaging ( I'm being kind honestly, it's stupid messaging) and poor political strategy (I'm still being too kind, it's devastating the further down the ticket you go). It's SELF INFLICTED. You can blame a lot of things on conservatives ( I'm going to be fair and say that's a long list to boot) but this one is on AOC and some Democrats.
Damage inflicted is NOT "blown out of proportion" when the damage is done just by retweeting it or setting up a meme that operates solely as a quote.
You can't have the most high profile young Democrat with a huge platform, with outreach to the young voter, female voters, Latino voters and Socialist leaning voters, who also is the most prominent DNC digital native in Congress say these kind of horrible optics self inflicted tone deaf statements and not expect actual political damage in elections. AOC did her part ( not all but she's not free and clear) to cost the DNC to lose those 12 HOR seats that flipped Team Red.
The internal commentary of you, your wife and your small social circle don't change the political reality of the situation. It cost the DNC badly to the point where people in their own party are breaking ranks to say please #### about "Defund The Police".
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Moonlight
Footballguy
Again wasn't part of Biden's platform. AOC does not speak for the party.
Police reform and police accountability is needed, I do not hear Republicans and the far right supporting these measures.
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
Please. We always hear these excuses when it comes to her. The fact remains that she's a star in your party and the leader of the far-left contingent of the Democrat Party that grows larger every year. For heaven's sakes, we have a 200+ page thread in this very forum of liberals fawning all over her. Being dismissive about her is simply a tactic to make people THINK she's got no power.
She isn't fooling anyone and those dismissive excuses aren't either.
Moonlight
Footballguy
Demonize her its how you play ball. There's a lot to like about the progressives but those that use the phrase defund the police are hurting the party.
Again defunding the police is not a central part of the democratic platform. And again Republicans shirk to push for police accountability.
Again defunding the police is not a central part of the democratic platform. And again Republicans shirk to push for police accountability.
GordonGekko
Footballguy
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/24/politics/aoc-ted-yoho-cspan/index.html
"The absolutely remarkable social media power of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large
Updated 12:56 PM ET, Fri July 24, 2020
(CNN)At 11:02 a.m. Eastern time on Thursday, C-SPAN sent out a tweet with New York Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's full remarks on the House floor regarding a confrontation with Florida Republican Rep. Ted Yoho on Monday.
Within six hours, according to C-SPAN's Jeremy Art, it became the most retweeted post ever sent by the network. Within the tweet's first 24 hours, it has been retweeted more than 95,000 times and has more than 220,000 likes.
The video itself, which runs just short of 10 minutes, has been viewed almost 12 million times, which, again according to Art, makes it the sixth most-watched C-SPAN video ever. And it is the most-watched C-SPAN House clip ever, although it posted just 24 hours ago.
Ocasio-Cortez's take-down of Yoho for sexism after he called her a "f**king #####" following the encounter, according to a reporter from The Hill, clearly struck a chord.
This is not an accident or an anomaly. Ocasio-Cortez, despite being in her first term, has the most Twitter followers (7.8 million) of any member of the House. (House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has 4.9 million followers; House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy has 924,500.) Ocasio-Cortez has 1.4 million followers on Facebook. (She said in 2019 that she had stopped personally posting on the site.) She has 5.2 million followers on Instagram. Hell, she's on "Animal Crossing!"
Those numbers are mind-boggling. Especially when you consider that 25 months ago, very few people outside of the Queens and Bronx district she was running to represent had ever even heard her name.
It's no exaggeration to say that, aside from former President Barack Obama (120.8 million Twitter followers), there is no current member of the Democratic Party with more ability to influence the national conversation than AOC. Not even Joe Biden, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee (7.2 million Twitter followers). Not Pelosi. Not Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (2.4 million).
Now, influencing the national conversation isn't the same thing as being able to dictate the legislative agenda of the House or the Senate. Pelosi, who has at times bristled at talk of AOC's outsized influence, has repeatedly made that point in interviews.
"All these people have their public whatever and their Twitter world," Pelosi told The New York Times' Maureen Dowd in July 2019 of Ocasio-Cortez and the three other members of the so-called "Squad." "But they didn't have any following. They're four people and that's how many votes they got."
A few months prior, Pelosi had been even more blunt about AOC and the Squad. "While there are people who have a large number of Twitter followers, what's important is that we have large numbers of votes on the floor of the House," she told USA Today.
While Pelosi is technically right -- the Speaker has oodles more ability to impact what becomes a law than AOC -- she is also misunderestimating (ahem) the power that AOC's social media might carries.
It has become de rigeur these days to insist that "Twitter isn't real life." (I have said it!) But as NYT columnist Charlie Warzel argues, that oversimplified view misses the point. Here's the key bit from Charlie:
"Still, the notion that Twitter isn't real life is untrue. There's the obvious literal sense. Twitter is a real-world platform and is used by very real humans. Then there's the notion of tangible impact. Donald Trump's use of the platform for campaigning and governing and acting as assignment editor to the media is the sterling example, but it goes well beyond that. Ask a journalist who has been fired for an old, dredged-up tweet or a woman or person of color who has been doxxed, swatted or harassed and driven from his or her home if Twitter is real life. They'll say yes.
"There's also something ineffable about Twitter's influence, especially as it pertains to politics, around movement building and fandoms. Honest, sustained social media momentum behind candidates does seem to translate into something, even if it's not clear how much to trust it."
That second paragraph, I think, really captures why AOC matters so much in Democratic politics -- and the broader culture. She is not just a politician. She is a movement, driven forward to unimaginable heights for a freshman member of Congress by ardent fans who consume anything and everything she says and does.
AOC is the new model of our politics. She represents the future of how politicians will build support and then use that support to accomplish their political and policy goals. (AOC's next goal may well be a Senate primary challenge to Schumer in 2022.)
You don't have to agree with her politics (or even like her) to see that fact."
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https://apnews.com/article/1e006443442a465fa4e2b38acab5e29c
Stats show how AOC dominating social media attention
By DAVID BAUDERJuly 17, 2019
NEW YORK (AP) — Judging by the social media metrics, it was a big week for the campaign of U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
She’s not running for president. But the Democratic representative from Queens dwarfed the Democrats who are actually seeking President Donald Trump’s job in a measurement of social media interactions with news articles by the tracking firm NewsWhip. The statistics were first reported by Axios.
For the week that ended on Sunday, Ocasio-Cortez, who is known as AOC, had attracted 4.8 million such interactions, NewsWhip said. By comparison, all of the Democrats running for president reached a combined 6.5 million. California Sen. Kamala Harris had 1.2 million to lead the way, with Sen. Bernie Sanders, former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Elizabeth Warren getting around a million each....
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/23/us/politics/aoc-facebook-ads.html
A.O.C.’s Digital Juggernaut
The congresswoman is vastly outspending her fellow House members, and even most senators, online.
By Nick Corasaniti
Updated July 23, 2020
What a difference two years makes.
Around this time in 2018, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was a relatively unknown challenger to Representative Joe Crowley, the entrenched and powerful Democratic incumbent from New York’s 14th Congressional District. Her upset primary victory catapulted her to political stardom and immense influence.
And immense cash. Ms. Ocasio-Cortez has raised more than $10.3 million over the past two years, millions of which she has deployed aggressively online, far outpacing her fellow House members.
Since the beginning of this election cycle in 2019, she’s spent $3.6 million on Facebook ads, including nearly $2.4 million since January, according to her campaign. The next biggest digital advertiser among House members in 2020 is Representative Adam Schiff of California, who spent $620,000 online, according to the tracking firm Advertising Analytics.
Indeed, Ms. Ocasio-Cortez’s online spending has outpaced those of most Senate campaigns this cycle, including well-funded candidates like Mark Kelly in Arizona, Sara Gideon in Maine and Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina.
As New York holds its congressional primary elections today, Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is facing a well-financed challenger in Michelle Caruso-Cabrera, a former CNBC anchor, who lent her own campaign $1 million recently, though she has spent only about $177,000 online. Though Ms. Ocasio-Cortez remains popular, there has been scant public polling on the race, and her spending is a sign that she is taking the challenge from Ms. Caruso-Cabrera seriously.
Her advertising on Facebook, where she has spent $406,000 in the past week, runs the gamut from more traditional, polished ads to raw, selfie testimonials from voters, similar to the videos that Ms. Ocasio-Cortez often posts herself on Instagram. (She also turned some of those videos into Facebook ads.)
She has a host of ads promoting her support for canceling Puerto Rico’s debt, expanding reproductive rights, helping veterans and legalizing marijuana.
And she ran get-out-the-vote ads today in at least four languages: English, Spanish, Mandarin Chinese and Bengali.
Ms. Ocasio-Cortez has also gone on the attack, spending $65,000 on a television ad criticizing Ms. Caruso-Cabrera, calling her a former Republican who “isn’t one of us.” She has similar ads on Facebook in English and Spanish.
Such a well-funded online arsenal would more often be enjoyed by establishment incumbents who build up a war chest over years, not a first-term congresswoman who is an avowed democratic socialist running her first re-election campaign.
Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is also spending a large portion of her online budget on fund-raising ads. Since 2019, she’s spent about $2.5 million on such ads and has raised more than $4.1 million directly from them, according to her campaign.
Her campaign said that its internal polls from May showed Ms. Ocasio-Cortez leading the primary race by a large margin. Even so, given her own out-of-nowhere victory in 2018, she isn’t taking any challenger lightly, her campaign said.
“It’s the old adage that you either run scared or you run unopposed, and we’re not unopposed,” Lauren Hitt, a spokeswoman for the congresswoman, said.
Ms. Ocasio-Cortez mixes her digital financial might with a social media presence that is among the most powerful in politics. Her posts from @AOC on Twitter can drive news cycles, and her endorsements on the platform can draw a lot of attention.
She gave one of those endorsements to a Democratic challenger just north of her district: Jamaal Bowman. Like Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, Mr. Bowman was initially viewed as a long-shot in his race against Representative Eliot Engel, the chairman of the powerful House Foreign Affairs Committee who has been in office since 1989. But a recent hot-mic moment for Mr. Engel has brought national attention to the race, and a raft of progressive endorsements.
Neither candidate in that race has the kind of digital paid presence of Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. Mr. Bowman has spent only $101,000 on Facebook this cycle, though nearly a third of that spending came in the past seven days.
Mr. Engel has spent $106,000 on Facebook, though nearly $60,000 of it came in the past week. That’s roughly equivalent to what Ms. Ocasio-Cortez was spending each day over the past week."
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You can't have this kind of massive platform on social media ( and it's growing), where your outreach there outstrips EVEN THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN YOUR OWN PARTY, and you spend this kind of money on social media advertising in terms of volume and everything you say can dominate the daily news cycle and then say, "Defund The Police Means Defund The Police" and not have it cost the entire DNC.
When you are the quarterback ( since this is a football forum by it's roots, this is my favorite example) and if you win, you get nearly all the credit, and if you lose, you get nearly all of the blame. This happens, fair or not.
This is your moment now, after I've provided full context and I didn't parse AOC's quotes, to explain how this " being blown out of proportion" based on political tribalism? Go on again and explain how this is "misrepresented"?
GordonGekko
Footballguy
“When it comes to privacy and accountability, people always demand the former for themselves and the latter for everyone else.”
― David Brin
“Each day you are leading by example. Whether you realize it or not or whether it's positive or negative, you are influencing those around you.”
― Rob Liano
“Accountability is the only real beginning to change.”
― Daniel Abbott
Moonlight
Footballguy
Again the point is defunding the police is not part of the democratic platform. AOC is one part of the Party in the same way that Sen King from Iowa is one part of the Republican. He gets quoted a lot too. Okay AOC raises a lot of money, good for her.GordonGekko said:
Republicans want to run against AOC to make her the focus. The majority of Democrats do not support defunding the police, many understand the frustration that led to this phrase and wish many Republicans would put the same energy into calling for police accountability as complaining about "defunding the police".
GordonGekko
Footballguy
https://www.vox.com/2020/8/18/21322685/democratic-convention-platform-controversy
https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/2020-Democratic-Party-Platform.pdf
The Democratic platform, explained
What’s in the platform, what’s controversial about it, and what it all means.
By Andrew Prokopandrew@vox.com Updated Aug 18, 2020, 11:24pm EDT
...That will be in the platform — a written document of guiding principles and policy promises that Democrats are running on in 2020. The final version is at this link. Delegates have been voting remotely on whether to approve the proposed platform, it’s certain to be adopted, and that result will be announced this week.
Though Sen. Bernie Sanders supports the platform, it’s certainly not the agenda of the left’s dreams. There’s no endorsement of Medicare-for-all, no call to defund the police, no call to abolish ICE, no call to ban fracking, no support for legalizing marijuana nationwide, and no backing of free college for all. So hundreds of Sanders delegates decided to vote no on the platform in a symbolic protest.
But it’s hard to characterize this platform as moderate — because it calls for doing a whole lot of stuff. Over the course of 92 dense pages, there are hundreds of liberal policy proposals or commitments — far too many to fully do justice to in this article....
...This is the future Joe Biden wants
The platform also calls for overhauling the criminal justice system “from top to bottom,” for decriminalizing marijuana use (and giving states the option to fully legalize it), for creating a roadmap to citizenship for unauthorized immigrants, for making Washington, DC a state and giving Puerto Ricans a process to decide whether Puerto Rico should too, for repealing the amendment stating federal funds can’t be used for abortion, for making public colleges and universities tuition-free for students whose families earn less than $125,000 a year, and for bringing “our forever wars to a responsible end.” The list of policy proposals goes on and on.
But as much as the platform is the most progressive document to come out of a major national party in US history, it’s far from clear this is anything close to what a possible Biden presidency would achieve or even push for. The platform isn’t written to take into account practical constraints, legislative trade-offs, or the hard-nosed political calculations that every president has to make — it exists in the world of ideals. “You campaign in poetry, you govern in prose,” as the late Gov. Mario Cuomo (D-NY) once said.
What is a platform?
A platform is essentially a political party’s summary of what it stands for. It’s what Democrats are “running on” in the 2020 elections — an explanation to voters of what they hope to do if Biden wins the presidency, and where they think the country should go more generally.
It is, however, an aspirational document, not an operational one. While it does contain many specific policy promises alongside broader goals and ideals, it doesn’t particularly reckon with the features of the political system that trend to thwart change. It’s not written as legislation — which makes sense, considering we don’t know who will control Congress next year. Additionally, since this is a public-facing document, it’s Democrats’ attempt to make their agenda sound appealing — they’ll emphasize the stuff they think is popular.
Of course, vanishingly few voters will ever read the platform or become aware of more than a handful of its proposals. So in practice, the people who take the greatest interest in the platform’s details tend to be activists.
“Platforms obviously don’t have the force of law, they’re symbolic,” says Boston College political scientist and political parties expert Dave Hopkins. “Some people care a lot about symbolism and some people don’t. Activists often care and they will put a lot of energy into trying to push the platform in one direction or another.”
Indeed, platform deliberations are a venue for activist groups to try and flex their muscles — to demonstrate their sway within the party and influence on the presidential nominee. It’s a lower-stakes warmup for the kinds of fights that will eventually unfold within the party over governing, should they win.... Achieving the former would entail pushback against some activist demands, achieving the latter involves making the activists happy.
Those activists include Sanders and his acolytes. In both 2016 and 2020, Sanders was the runner-up for the nomination, and he wanted a role for his team in shaping the platform. As a result, in both years, the Democratic platform discussions were a venue in which members of the “establishment” and the pro-Sanders Democratic factions have negotiated and tried to reach agreement. (They were often quite tense in 2016, but less so in 2020.)...
Who wrote the platform?
This year, there were 15 members of Democrats’ platform drafting committee — a mix of politicians, longtime Biden aides, union chiefs, and advisers to Sanders. But unofficially, the opinions that matter most are from Biden’s team. He did, after all, win the nomination.
Biden wants to keep Sanders happy, which is why several months ago he agreed to form joint task forces with Sanders allies to come up with policy recommendations. (Many of the same people worked on the joint task forces and the platform drafting committee.)
But everyone was well aware that Biden won the nomination (rather decisively) while spurning pressure to move further to the left on issues like health care. So there was never really any chance that he would, say, agree to back Medicare-for-all as a concession to the Sanders team during negotiations.
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Criminal justice
Overhaul the criminal justice system “from top to bottom”
Decriminalize marijuana use, but leave the choice of whether to fully legalize it for recreational purposes up to individual states
Pass “a domestic terrorism law” (to combat violence from “bigots, anti-Semites, Islamophobes, and white supremacists”)
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What were some of the sticking points?
Today, I cast my DNC ballot and voted NO on the proposed platform. I constantly hear from constituents demanding we push for a single-payer system and away from this for-profit system that is leaving people to suffer and die just because they cannot afford health care.
— Rashida Tlaib (@RashidaTlaib) August 16, 2020
The highest-profile dissension was over Medicare-for-all — which the proposed platform does not support, in keeping with Biden’s views.
This wasn’t a deal-breaker for Sanders himself, but several hundred Sanders-supporting delegates, including Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI), decided that they’ll vote against any platform that doesn’t include Medicare-for-all, and they followed through in remote voting.
In an ordinary year, this would mean an embarrassing spectacle showcasing cracks in the Democratic coalition on the convention floor, with hundreds of televised no votes on the party platform. But there will be no convention floor to speak of this year, due to scaled-down proceedings because of the Covid-19 pandemic, and as such this rebellion has gotten little attention.
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More broadly, politicians would often like activists to believe that yes, they’re with them all the way, and they’re doing everything they can. But that is often not quite the truth. Appealing to the median voter may mean spurning the demands of activists who want more aggressive change. Biden and his team’s political instincts and substantive preferences could, in many cases, mean going slower.
But for now, Democrats are still in the “poetry” phase — they have a great deal of appealing-sounding things they want to get done, and the only way they’ll be in a position to do them is by beating President Trump in November.
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Let's see if we can get this all straight. Bernie Sanders, whom AOC endorsed for President, opposed much of the direction of the DNC 2020 platform and got his people to vote "No" on it. Then Talib, a member of AOC's The Squad openly opposed it and voted "No" on it. The only reason this hasn't gotten more public press is the pandemic, and of course the left leaning MSM.
AOC went rogue against the rest of the DNC who were not part of her camp, doing her part to lose enough votes to flip 12 HOR seats to Team Red this election cycle and cause many other Democrats in Congress lose enough votes to fall into the barely win category, and used her massive social media platform to blister "Defund The Police Means Defund The Police" but somehow this is the fault of Republicans?
So your hot take is that it's the Republican's fault that the DNC had infighting among themselves on policy and now that Team Blue lost a ton of House seats, that's based on conservatives "blowing it all out of proportion" and "misrepresenting" the situation?
As for Republican's focusing on AOC, because she has a massive media platform, they have NO CHOICE but address her issues and claims and attacks as they come. When the opposing team's offense is on the field, you have to send your defensive units out. Would you prefer no defenders went onto the field? It could be AOC or it could be Daffy Duck, if the MSM , which clearly leans left, pushes forward a particular voice from the other side of the aisle, it needs to be addressed. A better question to ask is why CNN and the like give AOC so much coverage ( but that's plainly obvious), and not why Republicans are forced to address her.
Trump says and does things that reflect on all Republicans. Whether it's fair or not and whether anyone agrees or not. It's just how it works.
AOC says and does things, platform or not, that reflect on all Democrats. Whether it's fair or not and whether anyone agrees or not. It's just how it works.
Maybe you are just the kind of guy that watches football games and then gets angry when the defense actually shows up on the field.
You want to blame Republicans for not doing more about police reform, IN YOUR EYES, as the basis for why the DNC can't keep it's own infighting/house clean and can't keep AOC from insane messenging that reflects poorly on the entire Party and costs them badly in elections. Do I need to say it? I suppose I do - IT'S NOT THEIR FREAKING RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THAT.
You are the ONLY ONE who is "misrepresenting" anything here. You are misrepresenting Republicans as being responsible for the DNC's self inflicted political woes.
Let's let the others in the forum ask the question now, between you and me, which one of us is "blowing things out of proportion"?
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
This is so far from the truth. Get out of the echo chamber. The right wing media has created her. She has more mentions on Fox News than almost all the main stream media combined. They created a boogeyman with her and the 'squad'. This was done intentionally, and the fact that you can't see it really surprises me.
Shatner!
Footballguy
It’s officially time for an intervention.
The President of the United States is retweeting certified insane actor Randy Quaid. (Seriously, if you're not familiar with his downward spiral since his acting heyday go check it out.) This is both crazy and amazing. Make sure to click the link and watch the video.
Retweeted by Trump:
@RandyRRQuaid: TIME TO MAKE OAN & NEWSMAX RICH. FOX IS DEAD TO ME!
https://mobile.twitter.com/RandyRRQuaid/status/1327043884082409474?fbclid=IwAR2QAydpvpxxODMBiEkhVdBf6pDMy35yU1uthYqiYEanYRs-RDbFDEVLeSo
Watch the video for a taste of the crazy.
POTUS has a history of promoting some seriously off the wall characters because they go out of the way to praise him, but this...oh wow. From the leader of the free world.
The President of the United States is retweeting certified insane actor Randy Quaid. (Seriously, if you're not familiar with his downward spiral since his acting heyday go check it out.) This is both crazy and amazing. Make sure to click the link and watch the video.
Retweeted by Trump:
@RandyRRQuaid: TIME TO MAKE OAN & NEWSMAX RICH. FOX IS DEAD TO ME!
https://mobile.twitter.com/RandyRRQuaid/status/1327043884082409474?fbclid=IwAR2QAydpvpxxODMBiEkhVdBf6pDMy35yU1uthYqiYEanYRs-RDbFDEVLeSo
Watch the video for a taste of the crazy.
POTUS has a history of promoting some seriously off the wall characters because they go out of the way to praise him, but this...oh wow. From the leader of the free world.
BoerumHill
Footballguy
@samstein
NEW — Trump’s plotting of a 2024 run is getting more specific. He’s weighing holding an event during Biden’s inauguration for it.
thedailybeast.com/trumps-already…
via @swin24
NEW — Trump’s plotting of a 2024 run is getting more specific. He’s weighing holding an event during Biden’s inauguration for it.
thedailybeast.com/trumps-already…
via @swin24
Shatner!
Footballguy
Classy as always. I can see why 74 million people were attracted to this guy.
Speaking of millions. 3 million spent to only fall even further behind in recounts in Wisconsin. Say what you will about Trump but he was right. Alot of us grew tired of all this winning.
Roy L Fewks
Footballguy
LOVE IT!!! But how does the secret service thing work? Do the active guys just leave at noon and head over to Biden's inauguration?
Max Power
Footballguy
Well I put no stock into unnamed sources from the Daily Beast. I also don't think Trump would regain enough momentum in 2024 to be viable, so I put Trump 2024 at a 0%.
Right now there are several states who still need to get through fraud/irregularities claims in court to uphold their certification process. 2020 isn't over yet.
Capella
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
You mean the lies that the Trump team has been peddling? Not sure why you want to promote that - the fraud is being done by Trump and Rudy to steal gullible people’s money. Some people have realized it.
Roy L Fewks
Footballguy
I'm a Trump guy and I mostly agree with this. There are no fraud claims.
There are lots of irregularities but irregularities don't get elections overturned.
