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If you're trying to imply there's only one other Trump bashing thread, then I'm afraid you may be a little confused because I seem to recall a few around here.Right. We already have this thread.
If you're trying to imply there's only one other Trump bashing thread, then I'm afraid you may be a little confused because I seem to recall a few around here.Right. We already have this thread.
Here is the historic graph. US has bounced around the line. We're on track to fall 9% this year - well under the line.I thought I heard on NPR (science Friday?) that the US was way off the targets from the Paris Climate Agreement, and that if Biden wants back in, new targets would need to be set.
I want to address this: first off I don’t care about appearing to be fair; I want to BE fair. Being balanced is a different thing entirely. There is usually a contradiction between being fair and being balanced and this is particularly true in the case of Donald Trump. Overall Trump has been so much worse than any other modern President that’s it’s impossible to maintain a balanced approach. The purpose of this thread, at least as far as I’m concerned, is to seek a few specks of light on a plane of darkness.@timschochet and others seem so keen to appear to be playing fair and balanced, but ceding constant ground to a side unwilling to move an inch from principle, dogma and alternative reality is minimizing the truly destructive nature of this administration....and i use that term loosely.
We are....we WERE on target, until we pulled out and started ignoring it...funny how it takes so long to get to standard, but can quickly switch back when the standard is removedI thought I heard on NPR (science Friday?) that the US was way off the targets from the Paris Climate Agreement, and that if Biden wants back in, new targets would need to be set.
I kind of look at it as similar to my attempts to lose weight: if I am careful, eat healthy, and watch my portion size, I can lose a couple of pounds a week, and this can go on for months. But if I stray off this routine it all comes back very quickly.We are....we WERE on target, until we pulled out and started ignoring it...funny how it takes so long to get to standard, but can quickly switch back when the standard is removed
Saw this in the Trump HQ thread. Good reminder that we still have 2 months to go.He didn't start any major wars. I figured there was about a 1% chance that he would, which was my biggest fear with him. In hindsight, I feel like I probably overestimated that probability, but it's hard to say.
Yes if our enemies can just hold out two more months then they can all breathe easy for 4 years.Saw this in the Trump HQ thread. Good reminder that we still have 2 months to go.He didn't start any major wars. I figured there was about a 1% chance that he would, which was my biggest fear with him. In hindsight, I feel like I probably overestimated that probability, but it's hard to say.
He's talking about this thread where we tried to give for things he did...went well for a bit, but then it just ended up being a thread where people came in to give props for words he said and the next day (sometimes same day) come back to retract it after his actions were the opposite. I think most just gave up.If you're trying to imply there's only one other Trump bashing thread, then I'm afraid you may be a little confused because I seem to recall a few around here.
You think we should start a war with Iran?Yes if our enemies can just hold out two more months then they can all breathe easy for 4 years.
I give him credit when in February our troops got hit by a missle strike and he didn't retaliate/escalate.Saw this in the Trump HQ thread. Good reminder that we still have 2 months to go.
Israeli military preparing for possible US strike on Iran
An outsider can make it if they are surrounded by a good staff. The outsider also has to listen to them and not pick fights on social media. Trump did make it much harder for an outsider to win again (Cuban?).Tim said no bashing here so lets keep it that way.
Did not vote for Trump. What I think Trump did prove was prove an outsider can never make it as POTUS. Trying to run the country like a business is good on paper, but as we have seen does not translate well in real life as he is not an insider and was never treated as such.
Trump did prove what the media is all about though. Already they are so gentle with Biden and that is OK with me. Tired of the day to day battles.
As far as COVID goes that is unknown Do I think he could have handled it better? Yes, do I think Biden would have handled it better? Who knows? Maybe better, maybe worse. If Joe let thousands of more people a day come in from China it could have been worse. We will never know. WARP speed without a doubt is one of the biggest successes in history for a pandemic so give Trump credit for that.
Just glad Trump is not POTUS for much longer.
Well the media is never going to attack Biden and be relentless with him. Jim Acosta will be totally different and won`t always interrupt Biden. I can`t see Acosta calling Biden out and hammering him on anything and if he does it will be in a much kinder manner.An outsider can make it if they are surrounded by a good staff. The outsider also has to listen to them and not pick fights on social media. Trump did make it much harder for an outsider to win again (Cuban?).
Personally I'm appalled by the handling of Biden with kids gloves, not that he deserves worse at this time. I just hate the power of big media dictating what is and isn't news, squashing opposing opinions. and the steering of your ideas into their agenda. Just look how COVID is covered by the media - its all the red states fault.
It was very tiresome. What is also tiresome is the fighting between both sides. Trump was a clown on a lot of things, but it was obvious from day 1 that the left wasn’t going to work with him. I still cannot believe this is how Trump runs a corporation.Well the media is never going to attack Biden and be relentless with him. Jim Acosta will be totally different and won`t always interrupt Biden. I can`t see Acosta calling Biden out and hammering him on anything and if he does it will be in a much kinder manner.
It is just the way it is and you can already see it. The way the dynamics have already changed is really quite interesting. After Biden speaks CNN and MSNBC hosts are gushing and fawning at whatever he says. We are not going to get the hate anymore from people like Lemon and Maddow and that is a good thing as it was tiresome.
Underrated comment hereNot really starting any new wars and bringing some troops home (although some of this could be questionable).
I’m a little bit surprised by this assertion. It may be that the left would never have worked with Donald Trump, I wouldn’t put that past them, but the problem is I have trouble coming up with any examples in which they had the chance to do so in the first place. There was talk of a DACA deal, and for a moment it sounded like the Democrats would approve funding on the wall in exchange for DACA, but at the last second Trump shut down all negotiations and it was never discussed again. There was a LOT of talk about infrastructure, but that’s all it was: Trump never made a formal proposal and neither did any Republicans and they tabled all proposals by the Democrats. Trump talked throughout his term about a replacement for Obamacare but never offered one.Trump was a clown on a lot of things, but it was obvious from day 1 that the left wasn’t going to work with him.
When Ann Coulter of all people made fun of him.There was talk of a DACA deal, and for a moment it sounded like the Democrats would approve funding on the wall in exchange for DACA, but at the last second Trump shut down all negotiations and it was never discussed again.
Not exactly the art of the deal...I’m a little bit surprised by this assertion. It may be that the left would never have worked with Donald Trump, I wouldn’t put that past them, but the problem is I have trouble coming up with any examples in which they had the chance to do so in the first place. There was talk of a DACA deal, and for a moment it sounded like the Democrats would approve funding on the wall in exchange for DACA, but at the last second Trump shut down all negotiations and it was never discussed again. There was a LOT of talk about infrastructure, but that’s all it was: Trump never made a formal proposal and neither did any Republicans and they tabled all proposals by the Democrats. Trump talked throughout his term about a replacement for Obamacare but never offered one.
And those non-examples are the closest I can think of. If you can come up with something in which he sought cooperation from the left but did not receive it, I’d love to know.
There were multiple times Democrats left meetings with a deal even...a deal which was then “rescinded “ after people (Miller I believe) got in Trump’s ear. Then Pelosi and Schumer get a call from someone else to now claim there was no deal.I’m a little bit surprised by this assertion. It may be that the left would never have worked with Donald Trump, I wouldn’t put that past them, but the problem is I have trouble coming up with any examples in which they had the chance to do so in the first place. There was talk of a DACA deal, and for a moment it sounded like the Democrats would approve funding on the wall in exchange for DACA, but at the last second Trump shut down all negotiations and it was never discussed again. There was a LOT of talk about infrastructure, but that’s all it was: Trump never made a formal proposal and neither did any Republicans and they tabled all proposals by the Democrats. Trump talked throughout his term about a replacement for Obamacare but never offered one.
And those non-examples are the closest I can think of. If you can come up with something in which he sought cooperation from the left but did not receive it, I’d love to know.
President Trump, from Day One, always viewed the Opposition Party as the enemy. He spoke only to his base. He never courted anyone outside his own party. He views everything in life as being a zero sum, transactional negotiation.I’m a little bit surprised by this assertion. It may be that the left would never have worked with Donald Trump, I wouldn’t put that past them, but the problem is I have trouble coming up with any examples in which they had the chance to do so in the first place. There was talk of a DACA deal, and for a moment it sounded like the Democrats would approve funding on the wall in exchange for DACA, but at the last second Trump shut down all negotiations and it was never discussed again. There was a LOT of talk about infrastructure, but that’s all it was: Trump never made a formal proposal and neither did any Republicans and they tabled all proposals by the Democrats. Trump talked throughout his term about a replacement for Obamacare but never offered one.
And those non-examples are the closest I can think of. If you can come up with something in which he sought cooperation from the left but did not receive it, I’d love to know.
Tough to work with a Party that specifically said it was going to "get Trump" before he even took office. I know you guys like to gloss over that part, but in reality, "reaching out" should happen from BOTH sides, not just one. The Democrats proactively refused to reach out and work with Trump. In fact, they made it their #1 goal.BoerumHill said:President Trump, from Day One, always viewed the Opposition Party as the enemy. He spoke only to his base. He never courted anyone outside his own party. He views everything in life as being a zero sum, transactional negotiation.
That is by definition someone who is going to be extremely hard to work with, bc his starting point is “this is how big the pie is; it doesn’t get bigger or smaller, there are no other pies coming out of the oven, and I know how much pie I need. can you get me that size pie, or even better, a larger piece? no I’m not worried about your slice. what, you think I’m a sucker?”
Wouldnt know compromise if it slapped him up the side of his rather large head.
My take on that is to the undecided or middle voter....prove yourself the better leader by reaching out first. I do think that most people (not just Conservatives) have this weird idea in regards to leaders that they should be unyielding, uncompromising and never make the first move towards compromise or negotiation.Tough to work with a Party that specifically said it was going to "get Trump" before he even took office. I know you guys like to gloss over that part, but in reality, "reaching out" should happen from BOTH sides, not just one. The Democrats proactively refused to reach out and work with Trump. In fact, they made it their #1 goal.
Thanks Spicey1. Foreign Policy - arguably the best foreign policy of our lifetime
2. Economic Prosperity/Restoring middle Class - again, arguably the best President of our lifetime, record unemployment
3. Trade Agreements - renegotiating or getting rid of harmful trade agreements
4. Immigration Control - stemming the tide of politically harmful immigration
Accomplished more in 4 years than Obama in 8 IMHO, and it isn't particularly close.
This is non-descript. Can you provide any specifics?1. Foreign Policy - arguably the best foreign policy of our lifetime
2. Economic Prosperity/Restoring middle Class - again, arguably the best President of our lifetime, record unemployment
3. Trade Agreements - renegotiating or getting rid of harmful trade agreements
4. Immigration Control - stemming the tide of politically harmful immigration
Accomplished more in 4 years than Obama in 8 IMHO, and it isn't particularly close.
I really have trouble with this one. I have tried and tried and tried again to understand the differences between the New NAFTA and the old one, or what tariffs on China have gained for us. I don’t get it; perhaps you can explain.3. Trade Agreements - renegotiating or getting rid of harmful trade agreements
will try to get to it this weekI really have trouble with this one. I have tried and tried and tried again to understand the differences between the New NAFTA and the old one, or what tariffs on China have gained for us. I don’t get it; perhaps you can explain.
I am worried about Biden and big pharma. He receives tons of money from them.Slightly changing the law relating to drug prices for Medicaire Part D, which may be the beginning of a trend toward lower drug prices or could be meaningless, but at least they tried.
correctI am worried about Biden and big pharma. He receives tons of money from them.
um....what? "Repeal and Replace Obamacare" was one of the most consistent, specific messages he hadcorrect
He will do nothing to actually reduce costs...which is what the country needs. To be fair, neither did Trump, but it wasn't the centerpiece of Trump's platform either.
People didn't really vote for Trump because of his healthcare "plan". Didn't feel like it was important to me.um....what? "Repeal and Replace Obamacare" was one of the most consistent, specific messages he had
It's the only thing he offered up at all that resembled an actual policy position. The rest was "we need better trade deals" (vague). We need to stand up to China (vague). Immigration was probably the second most clear with "we need to keep them out".
Ok....thats not close to what you said in the post i responded to and this post doesnt change the fact that his healthcare comments are the closest to actual policy talk we ever heard out of him.People didn't really vote for Trump because of his healthcare "plan". Didn't feel like it was important to me.
True, to be honest you reminded me...I knew Trump would do nothing about healthcare so I personally just blocked it out. My expectations were super low on that front.Ok....thats not close to what you said in the post i responded to and this post doesnt change the fact that his healthcare comments are the closest to actual policy talk we ever heard out of him.
Id have settled for nothing over what we got. Just shows that things can always get worseTrue, to be honest you reminded me...I knew Trump would do nothing about healthcare so I personally just blocked it out. My expectations were super low on that front.
Yeah, he proved the deficit doesn't matter anymore. Until there's a Dem in power, and then it matters again.Plenty of people thought we were at or near full employment in 2017, but Trump wanted to run the economy hot and it worked out well. IMO this wasn't because of some deep economic insight on the part of the GOP -- Trump wanted his numbers to look good and Republicans never met a tax cut they didn't like -- but the results were undeniably positive, the tightest labor market since the 90s. Even though that's come to a grinding halt with COVID, it provided a blueprint for future administrations. The incoming Biden folks have already indicated that they'll be taking a similar run-it-hot approach.
Perhaps this CNBC article will help provide you perspective. LINKI really have trouble with this one. I have tried and tried and tried again to understand the differences between the New NAFTA and the old one, or what tariffs on China have gained for us. I don’t get it; perhaps you can explain.
“I hope the incoming Biden administration can look at Trump’s trade war objectively, because in many ways, really, it worked,” CNBC’s Jim Cramer said.
“We made real progress on getting China to finally play by the rules and it would be a shame to throw it all away,” the “Mad Money” host said.
Cramer questioned President-elect Joe Biden’s ability to align allies to push back on China’s trade practices, saying “I don’t know how you get our allies on the same page at this point.”
To be fair "Repeal and Replace" doesn't really mean anything if you never offer up a "replace" plan in the first place. It just goes under the heading, "everything will just be BETTER!!!".um....what? "Repeal and Replace Obamacare" was one of the most consistent, specific messages he had
It's the only thing he offered up at all that resembled an actual policy position. The rest was "we need better trade deals" (vague). We need to stand up to China (vague). Immigration was probably the second most clear with "we need to keep them out".
I thought for sure in January that we were going to war with Iran. I'm happy that it didn't turn out that way.He didn't start any major wars. I figured there was about a 1% chance that he would, which was my biggest fear with him. In hindsight, I feel like I probably overestimated that probability, but it's hard to say.
Well, besides the fact that I almost never agree with Jim Cramer, you really didn’t answer my question. What is the difference between the old NAFTA deal and the new one?Perhaps this CNBC article will help provide you perspective. LINK
I wonder if Cramer knows the "new" China deal is an agreement to get back to the trade levels we had before Trump took office He basically dug a big whole and the agreement was they would fill it back in together and if we look at the fine print, I'm willing to bet China agreed to play the role of the guy standing to the side holding a shovel watching the OTHER guy fill the hole in.Well, besides the fact that I almost never agree with Jim Cramer, you really didn’t answer my question. What is the difference between the old NAFTA deal and the new one?
My rates went down (slightly) and I now have a choice to opt out if I want without being fined. Guess it depends on your perspective.Id have settled for nothing over what we got. Just shows that things can always get worse
Sure....would you say you're situation is the norm or the exception? But regardless, they weren't going to be able to collect the "fine" if you did your taxes correctly.My rates went down (slightly) and I now have a choice to opt out if I want without being fined. Guess it depends on your perspective.
I'm in the 8-10% that people don't give and flying frack about. I'm all for socialized medicine and taking away the tax benefit most of you are getting and taking away your choice of doctors that most of you have. I'm not thinking the politicians will be able to convince people that they want this.Sure....would you say you're situation is the norm or the exception? But regardless, they weren't going to be able to collect the "fine" if you did your taxes correctly.
understood....it's only a problem if you get a "refund" though....and I am absolutely for the medicine being detached from my employment. I'm absolutely confident I could do better than what I have if left to my own devices.I'm in the 8-10% that people don't give and flying frack about. I'm all for socialized medicine and taking away the tax benefit most of you are getting and taking away your choice of doctors that most of you have. I'm not thinking the politicians will be able to convince people that they want this.
It's hard to do your taxes correctly as if you miss 1099 employee with your estimates, the penalties and interest are steep.