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    Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan Martin, Richie Incognito SUSPENDED

    How long was McKinnie with the Dolphins before Martin left? A couple of weeks at most? Was he really in a position to be able to judge what was happening? I do hope he was right when he said this: "I just think it was a lack of communication." In other words, it would be nice to think that...
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    Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan Martin, Richie Incognito SUSPENDED

    I strongly recommend the whole thing. It's fascinating on many levels... I think maybe you and I are using different definitions of the pejorative sense of the term "leaks". Regardless, which parts of the information disseminated by Martin and co. do you feel were exceedingly misleading...
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    Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan Martin, Richie Incognito SUSPENDED

    Tango -- A serious question: Have you read the report? (2) Which "leaks" are you referring to? The information that was disseminated at the beginning of the debacle? If so, information was given to the media by both sides. I guess "misleading" is somewhat in the eye of the beholder, but all...
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    Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan Martin, Richie Incognito SUSPENDED

    Was this in reply to my post? If so: (1) I am not sure what you mean here. (2) What leaks? The text messages that came out? First, I thought that they came from Richie (although I'm not sure about that), and second, they were in a sense his to disseminate. I wouldn't call them "leaks"...
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    Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan Martin, Richie Incognito SUSPENDED

    Absolutely not in my opinion. I hate hearing or seeing it used outside of an academic or commentary context. And I *really* cringed when I read that Chuck's daughter uses it! (Not a slam against him or her...just that it was *very* unexpected -- if it's ok with her and her friends, then who...
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    Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan Martin, Richie Incognito SUSPENDED

    For whatever it's worth, it's true. The word was certainly frequently in reference to Irish Catholics ("white n*****s") by the British and in the United States. An example from a review of the book "How the Irish Became White": "Ignatiev notes that in the 19th century, Irish were sometimes...
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    Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan Martin, Richie Incognito SUSPENDED

    Yeah, that is a good point. I'm white and I get offended when I hear the term and I would certainly ask that white people not use it around me, particularly given the connotations. If it were at work, it might feel like a hostile environment, even if it were directed at me and I wouldn't be...
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    Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan Martin, Richie Incognito SUSPENDED

    Fatness, no I certainly do not. I'm sorry if I was a bit unclear here. I was trying to bend over backwards to be as fair as possible to everybody and probably didn't express myself well. Here's what I was trying to get across: * Martin was a victim. No doubt. As I've said many times, I...
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    Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan Martin, Richie Incognito SUSPENDED

    Yeah, sorry -- I didn't mean to imply that they are linked at all. At this point, I don't it would be reasonable for Martin to sue as long as his contract is honored on both sides (i.e., he shows up to work and whoever holds his contract pays him within its terms). And if he isn't back-balled...
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    Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan Martin, Richie Incognito SUSPENDED

    Here's how the Dolphins apparently decided to define it internally (see pp. 5-6 of the report): I have no idea what recourse an employee would have if he or she were subject to conduct that would be considered harassment under this policy, but is not illegal in Florida, say. Also I don't know...
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    Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan Martin, Richie Incognito SUSPENDED

    Speaking of which, why is nobody (not just here) talking about the trainer? There's almost certainly more to the story (as there always it), but he might be the most "pure" victim here. Should he be bound by the same locker room/team rules as the players? In other words, should he expected to...
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    Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan Martin, Richie Incognito SUSPENDED

    I have no idea if Player B would really have grounds to file a sexual harassment charge (I don't think he should on a first offense), but how about if he told Player C and the gang that he didn't want to be patted on the butt (for whatever personal reason he has)? My thoughts: 1. His teammates...
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    Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan Martin, Richie Incognito SUSPENDED

    That's a reasonable question. I guess where that line is drawn is highly variable. I am babbling based on no knowledge whatsoever here, but I'd guess that the possible grounds for harassment may vary from state to state. For example, in all states it's probably illegal to make racially...
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    Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan Martin, Richie Incognito SUSPENDED

    This is true... Since harassment is in the eye of the beholder, it's impossible to define objectively. And it's also why I think the harassed should, whenever possible, tell the harasser to knock it off before escalating things. (Of course that's not always possible, but the earlier and more...
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    Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan Martin, Richie Incognito SUSPENDED

    Here are some of the take-away messages I have about this: * Martin definitely shares some of the blame for this situation. I understand that he felt trapped and in a bind and his depression was making everything worse. He was a victim, but he helped enable his own victimhood. I don't...
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