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  1. 18 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

    There's a lot of truth in this post.  For example, it's undeniably true that lots of people have stopped taking any precautions against covid after being vaccinated.  I know that because I'm one of those people.  (Scooter is also right that vaccinated people are more likely to wear masks than unvaccinated people, but that's true for reasons divorced from rationality -- a large subset of unvaxed people are basically living in denial about the existence of covid-19, and a moderate subset of vaxed people are the neurotic type who are still double-masked and still probably cooking their mail). 

    You're also right that case counts are higher than we would have predicted six months ago.  One possible response would be to hand-wave that fact away by saying "but, delta!" and that's not a bad response.  Delta is a lot more contagious than alpha.  If we had started with delta, last year's numbers would have been way worse, and comparing last year's alpha numbers to this year's delta numbers is kind of an apples and oranges comparison.  

    But really I think this is an argument for not worrying so much about case counts.  I mean, we want to know how many cases are floating around out there because that's an interesting data point, but CASE COUNTS ARE GOING UP isn't really a reason to freak out.  In 2020, rising case counts inevitably meant rising rates of hospitalization and increasing rates of death.  In 2021, rising case counts among the vaccinated means rising rates of feeling kind of lousy and taking a few days off work.  It's just not that big a deal any more.  That lack of downside risk is why people like me made a decision to resume normal life, and it's also a good reason for changing the metrics that we use to gauge the severity of the pandemic. What we really care about are hospitalization and deaths, not cases.  So we should pay a lot of attention to the first two and not so much to the other.

    I would also argue that the reason case counts are going up is we, as a society, have almost completely abandoned any mitigation efforts (your local area may differ).  Masks are not commonly worn publicly (in my state of SC, anyways), we are going mass gatherings again, and kids are in school full time.  It's as if we are back to pre-COVID life.

  2. 16 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

    There's a lot of truth in this post.  For example, it's undeniably true that lots of people have stopped taking any precautions against covid after being vaccinated.  I know that because I'm one of those people.  (Scooter is also right that vaccinated people are more likely to wear masks than unvaccinated people, but that's true for reasons divorced from rationality -- a large subset of unvaxed people are basically living in denial about the existence of covid-19, and a moderate subset of vaxed people are the neurotic type who are still double-masked and still probably cooking their mail). 

    You're also right that case counts are higher than we would have predicted six months ago.  One possible response would be to hand-wave that fact away by saying "but, delta!" and that's not a bad response.  Delta is a lot more contagious than alpha.  If we had started with delta, last year's numbers would have been way worse, and comparing last year's alpha numbers to this year's delta numbers is kind of an apples and oranges comparison.  

    But really I think this is an argument for not worrying so much about case counts.  I mean, we want to know how many cases are floating around out there because that's an interesting data point, but CASE COUNTS ARE GOING UP isn't really a reason to freak out.  In 2020, rising case counts inevitably meant rising rates of hospitalization and increasing rates of death.  In 2021, rising case counts among the vaccinated means rising rates of feeling kind of lousy and taking a few days off work.  It's just not that big a deal any more.  That lack of downside risk is why people like me made a decision to resume normal life, and it's also a good reason for changing the metrics that we use to gauge the severity of the pandemic. What we really care about are hospitalization and deaths, not cases.  So we should pay a lot of attention to the first two and not so much to the other.

    But, just like last time, deaths are increasing along with case counts.  It's almost like case counts are a leading indicator. 

    Now, the ratios are different, but the timing and shapes of the death curves are similar to previous spikes.

  3. 1 hour ago, dkp993 said:

    Sure.  And some are talking about what’s “legal” and some of us are talking about the right way to handle things.  Lots of different conversations going on.  

    For me the legality is not in question nor is unemployment eligibility (though I admit Kentucky unemployment rules are not my area, Cali on the other hand….).  It’s simply about good management or poor management.  A lot of managers do things legally but are still bad mangers.  As someone who has done this for the last 25 years this is unquestionably poor management and was not handled well, legal or not.  

    Friendly reminder that we are seeing a one-sided, selectively edited account.

    We have no idea if this was handled well or our nurse is being over dramatic.

  4. 45 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

    Didn't watch the video but it sounds like the situation was handled poorly.

    That said, we're in a friggin' pandemic.  Get the vaccine to protect yourself and slow down the spread.   

     

    to be fair, this is a one-sided and clearly edited video.  We don't know the whole story.  The parts we see show the situation being handled poorly but the tiktoker would not to show the rational bits.

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  5. 2 hours ago, Stealthycat said:

     

    in retrospect, there is a long list of drugs that FDA and the US should never have allowed

    but when they were put on market, everyone said exactly the above .... they're safe, effective, FDA approved, no side effects etc

    DDT is a great example

     

    NOBODY can say these shots are safe - not until a decade from now when data is available. Can you acknowledge that ? 

    If you want to wait 10 years, we are looking at a death toll of 2-3 million Americans, at least.  Along with that will come a shinking economy because of the dying population and eroded consumer confidence.

  6. 2 hours ago, NorvilleBarnes said:

    We get to 99% through lies, coercion, vilification, and threats. No, I hope none of this "the anti-vax are the villains" nonsense becomes "normal". Count me out of your hellish utopian fevered fantasy.

    The vax zealots are NOT as bad as the hesitant, they're 100 times worse.

    Worse at being annoying, smug jerks?  Maybe...maybe we are just tired of seeing our unvaxed friends and family die.  

  7. 3 hours ago, Snotbubbles said:

     

    These healthcare workers risked their lives in 2020 treating patients with COVID without being vaccinated.  Now in 2021, they are considered a threat to the population they are treating and being fired for not being vaccinated.  As a spouse of an emergency room nurse who put her life at risk and the lives of every member of our household at risk every time she went to work, firing someone for this is unconscionable.  What is really a shame is that hospitals are so understaffed they are offering $20,000+ sign-on bonuses but not offering retention bonuses.  File healthcare workers under police officers.  Hero's one day, villains the next.  What a thankless job.       

    No one says HCW are villains.  they are still heros - always have been, always will be.  Anti-vaxxers are the villains, even if they are health care workers.

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  8. I don't like the mandate across the board but I do think the vaccine should be required for certain occupations - namely, anyone who comes into contact with a large number of people (say, >20 per shift?). If you are a trucker, or an office drone, who cares.

    Nurses absolutely clear that threshold.  Even more critical they are vaccinated given the likelyhood they will encounter COVID positive patients.  Also,  she should know better as a HCW.

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  9. 38 minutes ago, Shutout said:

    For Trump to initiate the commission and the result not be in his favor is the downside, as it would be for any person in a similar position. If tomorrow, Biden says "I suspect vanilla ice cream is dangerous to the citizens" and he launched a commission and nothing come of it, there IS real downside. As non-consequential as it may seem to the vast majority, he would always be known form that point forward as the guy that dug into something, spent the money and time, and found nothing. that is what happened in that case. 

    For Biden, there is absolutely upside. The upside is that it would have been an actual, honest endeavor of re-uniting the country (something he claimed he was interested in doing). It would have brought true closure to a question millions of people were asking instead of being felt they were ignored. Who cares if the right would have said something? That is 99% of what happens every day on BOTH sides of politics. No matter what one side does, the other criticizes it. Nobody would have given that any amount of weight compared to the millions of Americans the president could have acknowledged and reached in that scenario. 

    I DO think the states should have responsibility. They are supposed to. And if it checks out, it does. If an issue occurs within a state that threatens the overall union, that has different courses of action. But in the same breath, if we are to say "stay out of it Feds, let the states do their thing" as it is supposed to, then we can't possibly allow the FEDERAL government overplay all the states and enforce sweeping changes regarding things like ID required to vote, day(s), etc.  We can't have it both ways and preserve the sovereignty of the states. 

    except no one ever said he was the guy that dug into something, spent the money and time, and found nothing.  That's my point - no report was issued, no grand proclamation, no mea culpa.  Nothing.  They swept it under the rug and pretended nothing ever happened. Most people probably aren't even aware that Trump tried to prove he won the popular vote in 2016.

    Regarding sovreignity of the states and their voting rights - I mostly agree with you except for the pesky fact that certain states south of that Mason Dixon line, (mine included) have a long history of shenanigans.  I wish I could believe those days are past us, but...you know...it continues to this day.

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  10. 34 minutes ago, Shutout said:

    He gets credit for being willing to do it at all. He didn't have to and the contrast is that Biden wasn't willing to even entertain the idea. That's a big difference. No risk is when you do nothing. This situation did not end the way Trump would have wanted, clearly. The risk didn't pan out for him and ended as a negative for him. Biden , OTOH, played it neutral and safe and didn't risk anything...good or bad. 

    Rosa Parks took a risk and it initially didn't end well for her but she took a risk, unlike countless others before and after her who took no risk. That is an extreme example, for sure but what IF...just what IF..that committee did find something? Or better yet, WHAT IF Joe Biden would have said "yes, let's look into this and out the nation's collective mind at ease"...AND then they DID find something? that would have been huge. But even if he would have taken a risk and they found absolutely nothing, that would have at least put a lot of minds at ease around the country then and going forward and that's really the sentiment here.  Just a smidgen of action and decisiveness could have answered a lot of question a lot of people were asking...and still are. 

    Perhaps the use of the word risk is off-key here because, after all, if there is nothing to come bad of it then there is no risk on Biden's behalf. Perhaps the refusal to address it at all just appears to lead to more questions than should be necessary. 

     

     

    but for Trump, there was no downside, whatsoever.  Nothing found, pretend the inquiry never happened.  Don't issue a report, and never speak of it again.  There was no risk. 

    In Bidens case, there is no upside.  If they find nothing, folks on the right will claim they just didn't look hard enough and demand a forensic audit. And, you are entertaining nonsense and conspiracy theories.  No one wins.  That is maybe not risk per se, it's just stupid.

    The proper thing to do is let the states, who have ultimate responsibility for their own elections, enact the protocol already established.  Let due process play out.  That's what Biden did, along with all 45 previous presidents.

  11. 15 minutes ago, Shutout said:

    From what I remember, didn't the courts instruct Trump to turn over documents to Matthew Dunlap (Secretary of State for ...Maine?). I think he said the outcome was a foregone conclusion, there was some back and forth between the Rs and Ds and they never filed a report. 

    So I think it was in the democrat Secretary's hands to do so.  That's not to imply anything towards him or Democrats. I think the consensus has long been there were no findings and, guessing here, to the point they didn't bother to file a report. Either way, I think most people, if asked, would say they saw on the news or opinions that there was no finding. 

    that's how I remember things too.  Seems a bit of a stretch to give him credit for taking a risk when no report was ever written.  I mean, I'd give him credit if they came out and proclaimed, "sorry folks, nothing to see here," but that's not what happened.  In fact, if they had actually done that, maybe 2020 wouldn't have been so ugly.

  12. 12 hours ago, Shutout said:

    Please.  talk about a reach.  if you think for one nano-second that if the info would have come back negative on Trump the the main stream media wouldn't have been ALL OVER that and never let go of it, you're not living on the same planet as the rest of us. There is simply ZERO chance that wouldn't have become knowledge and wouldn't have been run into the ground. 

    I give credit where it is due. Trump took a risk. He did. Biden did not. 

    Was a report from Trumps commission ever released?

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  13. 20 hours ago, quick-hands said:

    democrats consider him a nazi.    

    they did, until they were shown someone worse.  I think many democrats think fondly of GWB these days.

    ETA: the other side of that same coin: Republicans used to consider GWB a Republican.

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