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  1. And the comments still being made by people here and on channels like ESPN just prove that some people absolutely refuse to admit when they are wrong.Tell me this... have you seen enough of Tebow that you'd be comfortable with annointing him the starting QB of your Broncos for the next 10 years? Just curious.I'm comfortable enough with Tebow to say that QB is very low in the priority list of positions that need to be improved. We need better WR's. We need better OL. We need better TE. We need youth @ RB. We need a MLB. We need improved safety play. We need a better CB opposite Champ. All these positions need to be improved or worked around before we consider upgrading the QB spot.Tebow may never get us to the promised land, but at this point i'm confident that he won't prevent us either.Beyond that, how many QB's out there would you be comfortable saying they will be the guy for the next 10 years? That's a pretty long horizon. It's a very small # of guys who are young enough and have shown enough juice to think they will have prolonged success thru 2021.That's a fair answer, and understandable given the rest of the roster.Funny... the QB he reminds me of most is a Steelers QB, but it's not Roethlisberger.It's actually Kordell Stewart, who enjoyed a nice run until he faced teams that could expose his lack of passing ability and still stop the run.Kordell Stewart did not take care of the ball. 77 tds to 84 ints through his career to go along with 20 lost fumbles.He also threw the ball more than Tebow has, but that's fine... I'll say he's like Kordell with much better ball security.Better? Tim Tebow and Kordell Stewart are nothing alike. Nothing.Steeler fans are so unbearable. They are like the LHUCKS of fans as they think everything is about them. This isn't about the Steelers, Larry.It's not about the Steelers. I can't think of a better comparison for what Tebow brings to the table than Kordell, that's all.Actually, they are similar. Their skills and playing styles are very similar, but Kordell was trusted with more passing responsibilites when he was young, which led to a ton of turnovers. He turned the ball over, but in general they do things similarly. And Kordell was a superstar for a year and won plenty of games with the help of a great defense and by making enough plays to win. It just killed the Steelers when they faced a team with a far better QB in the playoffs.In 1997, Kordells first year as starting QB, he went 11-5, winning a playoff game vs defending AFC champs Drew Bledsoe & the Patriots, before losing to eventual SB champs Broncos. Of course, it helped that that yeam had a great defense and a young Bettis. Kordell had 32 TD's and 17 ints, to go along with 476 rushing yards and 3020 passing yards.If you take Tebows stats from his starts and extrapolate over 16 games, he would have 2229 passing yards, 985 rushing yards, 25 total TDs, and 2 ints.Comparing the two, Tebow has roughly double the rushing production, a good bit less passing production (but overall, total yards differ by about 18 per game). Quite a bit fewer TDs but drastically fewer ints.Purely looking at the stats, they seem fairly comparable. And, Kordell has shown that this level of play is good enough to get to, and win, in the playoffs.Unfortunately, Kordell never really got a whole lot better than that. In 2001, he led a 13-3 team, had 3646 total yards, 19 TDs, and 11 ints, again losing in the conf championship vs eventual SB champs. This was probably Kordells peak.The question is: is Tebow near his peak? If you think what he is doing right now is as good as it's going to get, I can understand the pessimism. However, I don't really think thats appropriate. Kordell had the benefit of stability - same head coach his whole career. Tebow is playing for his third head coach allready. Kordell had the benefit of off-seasons to work out with coaches and teammates, Tebow has not.I don't believe we've seen anything close to what this kid is capable of doing just yet.
  2. The irony of this post is funny with you being a Steelers fan.I'm glad somebody else noticed.If you're comparing Tebow to how Ben performed early in his career, that's utterly ridiculous. But hey, believe what you want.Ben had a cannon of an arm and was always accurate. His completion percentages were strong and his YPA were always fantastic. Did he have to throw a lot? Nope, he didn't. But he regularly showed that he was capable of doing it, and he was never thought of as a project like Tebow is. It's possible for someone to acknowledge the good things Tebow has done without being sold on his long term ability to be anything close to a championship quality QB. different styles, sure. What Tebow lacks through the air, he makes up for with his feet. There is more than one way to move a football.The irony is that Ben won a SB by being efficient, not turning the ball over, and making plays when he had to. In 2004 when pitt went 15-1, Ben threw for over 200 yards four times, without ever having the running contribution Tebow has made. Ben also threw 11 picks and 18 TD's in 14 games... pretty good. Tebow, by comparison, is on pace for 22 TDs (combined) and 2 ints over a pro-rated 14 games. The level of play that the Broncos are getting right now is better than Roethlesberger gave the Steelers in 2004. now, i'm not saying that Denver is a championship quality team...there are lots of missing pieces, especially on defense. But, this is a drastically different scenario than what we were talking about when Denver was 1-4 and thinking about Andrew Luck. What made fans so confident in Ben circa 2004 was the talent he displayed with his arm, because in the end, a QB has to throw the ball to be successful in the NFL. I still remember the first pass he threw after Maddox got injured against the Ravens... every one of the guys I was watching with knew we had our long term answer at QB right away. We all knew he could do more because of his arm, pocket presense, and accuracy, but with a dominant defense, they never needed to air it out to win. Tebow doesn't flash that same type of passing talent, and while it's true there are multiple ways to move the ball, long term success won't come for Tebow unless he learns to be a smart and efficient pocket passer, consistently. I'm not saying that he can't do that, of course. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. I just think the winning that he's doing right now is a nice story, but it shouldn't convince anyone he'll be successful in the long run. I have seen enough flashes to know that Tebow won't curl up under pressure and loose the game. Right now, that's enough. The rest of it can come, we've seen slow and steady progress this season all ready.I grew up watching Elway and the Broncos in the mid '80's. I knew that as long as the Broncos were down by less than a TD with 2 min left in the game, we had an excellent chance of winning the game. Every time...Elway had a certain magic to him in the 4th qtr. Since 1998, every single QB the Broncos trotted in could find ways to loose when the game was on the line. Brian Griese. Jake Plummer. jay cutler. Kyle Orton. A string of disapointments, all of them. They all had great starts to their careers in Denver, but none had that ability to win the big game. Now that Tebow is in town, I'm starting to get that feeling again...as long as the game is within a TD and 2:00 left, Tebow will find a way.
  3. And the comments still being made by people here and on channels like ESPN just prove that some people absolutely refuse to admit when they are wrong.Tell me this... have you seen enough of Tebow that you'd be comfortable with annointing him the starting QB of your Broncos for the next 10 years? Just curious.I'm comfortable enough with Tebow to say that QB is very low in the priority list of positions that need to be improved. We need better WR's. We need better OL. We need better TE. We need youth @ RB. We need a MLB. We need improved safety play. We need a better CB opposite Champ. All these positions need to be improved or worked around before we consider upgrading the QB spot.Tebow may never get us to the promised land, but at this point i'm confident that he won't prevent us either.Beyond that, how many QB's out there would you be comfortable saying they will be the guy for the next 10 years? That's a pretty long horizon. It's a very small # of guys who are young enough and have shown enough juice to think they will have prolonged success thru 2021.
  4. The irony of this post is funny with you being a Steelers fan.I'm glad somebody else noticed.If you're comparing Tebow to how Ben performed early in his career, that's utterly ridiculous. But hey, believe what you want.Ben had a cannon of an arm and was always accurate. His completion percentages were strong and his YPA were always fantastic. Did he have to throw a lot? Nope, he didn't. But he regularly showed that he was capable of doing it, and he was never thought of as a project like Tebow is. It's possible for someone to acknowledge the good things Tebow has done without being sold on his long term ability to be anything close to a championship quality QB. different styles, sure. What Tebow lacks through the air, he makes up for with his feet. There is more than one way to move a football.The irony is that Ben won a SB by being efficient, not turning the ball over, and making plays when he had to. In 2004 when pitt went 15-1, Ben threw for over 200 yards four times, without ever having the running contribution Tebow has made. Ben also threw 11 picks and 18 TD's in 14 games... pretty good. Tebow, by comparison, is on pace for 22 TDs (combined) and 2 ints over a pro-rated 14 games. The level of play that the Broncos are getting right now is better than Roethlesberger gave the Steelers in 2004. now, i'm not saying that Denver is a championship quality team...there are lots of missing pieces, especially on defense. But, this is a drastically different scenario than what we were talking about when Denver was 1-4 and thinking about Andrew Luck.
  5. good thing he hasn't had sub 50% completion rate for two games now.
  6. For those keeping score at home: Tebow had only 4 rushes today. Very little zone-read, no option runs. Beoncos were doing most of their damage on the ground from a traditional 2 back set w/Tebow under center. Progress
  7. Called BIAB today to begin the refund process...relatively painless, no questions asked. All I need to do is donate the mattress to a non-profit and send them the receipt. We are about a week shy of 120 day trial period.Bed feels fine to me, but my wife continues to have back pain. having difficulty getting past the firmness issue - bed simply does not seem to provide the cushiony support she thinks she needs, so the search continues. I think we will be going with the more expensive tempurpedic.
  8. From what I understand, defending a option is pretty easy - everyone stays home and honors their responsabilities. It's just a matter of discipline. I think thats why Tebow is having success late in games. After 55 munutes, players are tired, and they have been having success, so they get more agressive and start to react before they read... In other words, instincts start to take over, they commit pre-maturely, and Tebow is excellent at exploiting an overpursuit.
  9. They clearly haven't beaten any good teams. Afterall, how good can a team that loses to Tebow actually be?
  10. I'm pretty sure the Raiders and Chargers both score points, and they both lost at home to the Broncos in the last month.San Diego was putrid on offense today. They had several opportunities to score points in overtime, but couldn't sustain a drive. The real story of Denver's lucky run is their defense and the ineptitude of their opponents, not Tebow. Denver's offense has been totally mediocre, but they have been winning games because their defense has kept the score low. That's partially because their schedule has been easy. Detroit (who killed them) is the only team they have faced recently who ranks in the top 10 in the league in points per game. The others are: San Diego - 13th Oakland - 15th New York - 16th Miami - 22nd Kansas City - 28th Denver's style won't work against teams that can score 20+ points with ease. As soon as Tebow is forced to carry the team, he will be exposed as the liability that he is. People are being way too results-oriented and not looking closely at the performances. He's been struggling mightily in the passing game despite an ultra conservative gameplan that calls for fewer passing attempts per game than any other team in the league. He will be exposed sooner or later and is unlikely to even be a starter in the league two years from now barring massive improvements as a passer. Not to take anything away from the Broncos defense but having an offense that rarely, if ever, turns the ball over is helpful. I'd be interested to see how many points off of Orton turnovers vs Tebow turnovers the Broncos defense has given up this year.The Broncos gave up 34 points off of 9 Orton turnovers in 4 1/2 games or 7.56 points a game.The Broncos have given up 7 points off of 2 Tebow turnovers in 6 1/2 games or 1.08 points a game. So, for those that wonder how Tebow a change in an offensive gameplan has made the defense better, that's how. Now, it's a . Let's not get carried away.How many NFL QB's could be successful running the current broncos O, with as few turnovers as they have had?
  11. I'm pretty sure the Raiders and Chargers both score points, and they both lost at home to the Broncos in the last month.San Diego was putrid on offense today. They had several opportunities to score points in overtime, but couldn't sustain a drive. The real story of Denver's lucky run is their defense and the ineptitude of their opponents, not Tebow. Denver's offense has been totally mediocre, but they have been winning games because their defense has kept the score low. That's partially because their schedule has been easy. Detroit (who killed them) is the only team they have faced recently who ranks in the top 10 in the league in points per game. The others are:San Diego - 13thOakland - 15thNew York - 16thMiami - 22ndKansas City - 28thDenver's style won't work against teams that can score 20+ points with ease. As soon as Tebow is forced to carry the team, he will be exposed as the liability that he is. People are being way too results-oriented and not looking closely at the performances. He's been struggling mightily in the passing game despite an ultra conservative gameplan that calls for fewer passing attempts per game than any other team in the league. He will be exposed sooner or later and is unlikely to even be a starter in the league two years from now barring massive improvements as a passer.Not to take anything away from the Broncos defense but having an offense that rarely, if ever, turns the ball over is helpful. I'd be interested to see how many points off of Orton turnovers vs Tebow turnovers the Broncos defense has given up this year.The Broncos gave up 34 points off of 9 Orton turnovers in 4 1/2 games or 7.56 points a game.The Broncos have given up 7 points off of 2 Tebow turnovers in 6 1/2 games or 1.08 points a game.So, for those that wonder how Tebow has made the defense better, that's how.Great posting.
  12. 9 career starts, folks. 9 starts, straddling an off-season w/ no contact w/ coaches, as well as a head-coaching change. A bit early to throw out words like 'never', imo.
  13. Yes. He won't be mistaken for Tom Brady anytime soon, but he definitely threw the ball well today. There was only 1 really bad pass and there were a number of passes his receivers dropped. He did have great protection though and he won't always have that. But I do think that the threat of the run to some extent holds the pass rush in check.oh, absolutely. I saw on more than one play where the Chargers dropped 7 into protection, and the 4 down defensive linemen were basically playing QB spy...they didn't even try to beat the man in front of them, they just held their ground to keep Tebow in check when he inevitably decides to run around.Honestly, that's probably the formula to beat him.
  14. 50% completion rate for the first time in 2011... also 7.4 YPA, 1 TD, no ints. improvement
  15. So here's where I am at right now WRT Tebow... he's a top notch game manager. Almost every football coach will say at some point in their careers: to win, you have to do three things: [*]Run the Football. [*]Stop the run. [*]Don't turn the ball over. It's a tried and true formula for success. Yes, this is a passing league, especially in 2011, but there has been successful teams in the modern era that have won the superbowl following this model. look at 2005 Steelers w/ rookie Roetheisburger. Look at 2001 and 2004 Patriots. Of course, you have to have a solid defense, but if your offense is able to take time off of the clock and not turn it over with a short field, the defense will see immediate improvement. Tebow accounts for 2/3's of the above - he has helped the running game, and he has really reduced the turnovers. Let's look at some stats to see Tebows effects. We actually do have some pretty good data here - 4 games for Orton, 5 games for Tebow (not counting SD game, both guys played a half in that one). both samples include a blowout - Orton vs GB and Tebow vs Det. Running the football: w/ Orton, Denver has averaged 23 rushes and 86.75 yards per game...3.65 YPA. w/ Tebow, Denver has averaged 39 rushes and 192.4 yards per game...4.91 YPA. As a team, even if you take Tebow's contributions out of the mix, the team averages 29.4 rushes and 122. yards per game...4.16 YPA. Still, a marked improvement. Bottom line - the team is running the ball better with Tebow under center. One might think that his ineptitude in throwing the ball would cause the defense to crowd the line and shut it down...the Jets did that to a degree but Tebow eventually found a hole. Turnovers: w/ Orton, Denver has averaged 2.75 turnovers per game, Orton accounting for 2 per game(6 int and 2 fumbles in 4 games). w/ Tebow, Denver has averaged 1.0 turnovers per game, Tebow accounting for 0.4 per game ( 1 int and 1 fumble in 5 games). As much as folks rag on Tebows throwing (dis)ability, he is taking care of the ball. When he misses, he misses bad enough that opposing defenses don't really have a chance to make a play on the ball either. I think that he is missing some of these throws so bad because he is trying really hard to put the ball where only his guy can make a play, over-compensating for the small "NFL window". That, and the play-calling, I think, is set up to limit mistakes...he's really only attempting relatively safe throws like bubble screens, shovel passes, sideline routes or going deep. I'm not trying to come in here and say that Denver is 4-1 since the bye and place that completely on Tebow becasue the defense and special teams have done some great stuff. I lay the Miami win on Special Teams becasue of the on-side recover, the NYJ win on defense...but no way does Denver beat oakland w/ Orton, and probably not KC either. That being said, we have to acknowlege that Tebow has played a big role in turning this team around, and it's becuase of his contributions to the running game and taking care of the ball. It's his role as a game manager that is allowing this team to fourish and actually be in the playoff hunt.
  16. It's questionable whether Tebow or Decker was wrong on #3, but Royal was definitely held on #2. #3 was clearly a bad pass. The camera doesn't show it but it looks like Decker had a couple steps on the defensive back. The throw was either late or under-thrown. Sometimes it's the right pass to under-throw but it doesn't seem like this was the time to do it. I agree with you, but am inclined to point out that it was a pass 40 yards down-field. Not every NFL caliber QB has pinpoint accuracy from 40 yards.
  17. Can you elaborate on this?Were they good throws? Drops? Played well be the defenders. I unfortunately did not get to see the game. video linkFox's Commentary on the one throw into the dirt
  18. thanks for posting this - it is a good read. Folks, the spread option in Denver is here to stay for the remainder of 2011. I wasn't clear on that until reading this...I was thinking it was an anomaly - a 1 1/2 game outlier. Reading this from Fox says that he is really, honestly, working to make the spread option work in the NFL.honestly, I think it just might work too. Here's the thing: these players have been doing this for just two weeks now. They had 8 spread option plays in for the oakland game. Vs KC, they added a triple option. I'm sure we will see some new wrinkles vs NYJ on Thursday.NY, by the way, has only a day and a half to prepare for this. It will be interesting to see how they approach it. If Denver can pull off a W here, they will actually be in a good spot to fight for the division title.Beyond 2011, however, it's an open book... Part of me is hoping Fox commits to it and drafts more complementary players, including viable back-up QB's who can be had on the cheap later on in the draft. That's one competitive advantage being the only option team in the NFL - less salary cap will be tied up (in theory) at the QB position, allowing the Broncos to spend more resources addressing defensive needs.
  19. Not a ringing endorsemnt for success.For some reason it took 9 weeks for DC's to take sCam's game apart. "[Newton] holds the ball," said defensive tackle Jurrell Casey. "If a quarterback is going to hold onto the ball like that, we're going to get to him. We kept him in the pocket. He couldn't do anything but sit there. Having the spy on him meant he couldn't run, and our guys got to him." No idea why it took this long. All ya had to do is bring up some Vince Young tape. I knew the key to shutting that guy down from his 1st week in the league. The tebowcat will be shut down in a similar manner. so simple, right? I wonder why KC or oakland didn't simply put a spy on tebow to keep him from scrambling.
  20. Chase has a pretty interesting take on Tebow: As the old saying goes, when you throw the ball, three things can happen...and two of them are bad. I'd maintain that as long as Tebow can maintain 6 or 7 yards per carry, that's just as effective, if not moreso, than a traditional short passing offense.*note: this discussion is irrelevant to fantasy ball...this is related to the question of "can Tebow be an effective QB in the NFL, and if not, will he be eventually be benched?" I'd agree that if Tebow does not progress as a passer, and if his rushing is kept to below 4 yards/carry, he will not be a starter for long.
  21. Can you elaborate on this?Were they good throws? Drops?Played well be the defenders. I unfortunately did not get to see the game.little bit of everything. I obviously don't have notes in front of me, but the first two, at least, were deep passes - as in 30-40 yards down field. Receivers had hands on the ball, DB's managed to pop it out. The third was a shovel pass to Royal that he dropped...don't recall exactly what happened on the others, but they were catchable balls. Like I said - only one really terrible throw to a wide open TE that hit the dirt maybe 6 feet from him.
  22. for those keeping score at home: out of the 6 incomplete passes, 5 of them hit the receiver in the hands. He had only one terrible throw all day. Also, they didn't attempt a pass until well into the 2nd qtr. The rushing attack was so strong that they just kept pounding it, and that seems to have been the game plan.
  23. I'm on board. I'll stop being part of the problem and start being part of the solution. Who else is with us on the LHUCKS plan for farveco?I think thats a bit extreme. At least we can all laugh at farveco... There is some lulz potential here. Lhucks, on the other hand, just t tends to piss folks off.
  24. J Sure. They are a bad defense.Favreco fishing trip confirmed.
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